Question about 207's

[Alan Demarest]

Ok, as it is now, we(SAPD) post our 207's here on the SAPD forums.

However, the FBI does not, and let's face it, the majority of the units at a 207 is the SAPD, shouldn't they post their reports here aswell?

For instance, if a FBI agent is in charge of a 207 situation, it wont get posted here on the SAPD forums.

I dont feel this is.. Erm.. Very co-operative between the FBI and the SAPD, we dont have access to their files, so we can't see the report on 207's where the FBI are in charge.

I for one would like this to change.

[jemerson]

Louis_Keyl usually posts his 207's here I don't know about other people, but yes I agree.

[GiacJr]

Louis has at least one 207 per day; not one 207 has been posted in the past 7 days.

[Caion]

I do know, most of the 207's will not posted. The operation leader need do it, but he refuse it the most times as i know.

[Bianconeri]

true, but its not only FBI but also SAPD that doesnt report all 207's
i doubt that even command staff will always report them

[Alan Demarest]

Well, in my opinion we should ALL post ALL the 207's here on the SAPD Forums, FBI and SAPD alike. And there should be consequenses for not posting the reports.

[GiacJr]

I've made threats to those who don't post 207 reports many times; people just don't get it.
 

[Alan Demarest]

Bump for more opinions.

[jemerson]

I only post the ones where the hostage does not die..lol jk
But it does say IF IT IS FAILED THEN SOMEONE WILL CONTACT YOU TO FIND OUT WHY
I think that discourages people.

[Janar]

But it does say IF IT IS FAILED THEN SOMEONE WILL CONTACT YOU TO FIND OUT WHY

And that might be reason, why some people don't post their 207's: They are afraid to get punished!

[Mahome]

My other Question, Free cops: Yesterday there was 207 in ocean docks,i got call from hostage,i report on radio,quite alot units come here and waits for commands but here comes the angry free officer (tommy_Gvardia) rushes into 3 kidnappers with 1 hostage,opens fire on them and gets hostage killed, everybody leaves,free officer doesnt get punished, soliution? We have to do something about them.... Officers should be able to suspect them tbh if they not part of a SAPD.

[Ryan_Black]

Being that hostage who was killed in Ocean Docks, I would like to know this.  Officers of ARPD are held to the integrity of upholding their duties and obeying superiors UNLESS the order requires you to break the law.  Why is it not true that Freecops have to obey rules from an ARPD officer when a life is on the line?

I know that freecops aren't a part of the ARPD, but I didn't know that they weren't obligated to take orders from a cadet+ if the situation was severe enough.

Also, should the case be where a freecop is the person who ends up getting the hostage killed, is it mandatory for the report to be written up yet?  Yesterday an Officer asked about who was writing the report, and the response he received was that "he was killed by a freecop, write it up yourself."  Basically, I take that as it didn't matter considering at the time of the situation the hostage (me) is a Cadet of ARPD, therefore an actual part of the ARPD, rendering it an ARPD problem matter.

The 207 has not been written up yet for the record.

[jemerson]

Freecops like you said don't have to listen to us, but most of the time the do. And if their actions endanger lifes then a Sgt or higher can take care of it.

[Alan Demarest]

Off-Topic! Shoo!

Pancher/CBF/Vince answer here please. Why dont the FBI post their 207's on SAPD forums?

Imo they should.

[Ryan_Black]

I apologize, Cero for getting off the subject at hand about 207's. Was just curious.  But yes, some sort of co-operative system or neutral database would help both agencies.

[jemerson]

SACS will create a 207 section of our current databse...maybe this will encourage reporting it. Chief I need you to permit the idea before we make it tho.

[Louis Keyl]

i have been on a 207 a few days ago, but as usually, SAPD Sergeants (not naming) and even a LT. Refused to give me the command of the 207 with idiot excuses such as "Sergeant+ leads if there is a FBI or i came here first" ... i was in the area when the kidnaper stopped with the hostage..

Due to this action the 207 Obviously Failed. And they blammed me for "Not Negotiating", when a Sergeant took the negotiations without consulting me. They didn't posted the 207 Report, and i wont post it as long i got refused the operation command.

[JDC]

Louis, because in one incident, as reported by two SAPD Members, you failed to ask for command in a polite way (you barged in and asked arrogantly, and walked out angrily after they refused), and SAPD got there first with Lieutenants (Command Staff-level units) leading the 207.

If FBI gets prior knowledge of a 207, if SAPD has no Command Staff-level units even if they got information ahead, or if SAPD with Command Staff-level units on the scene wishes to surrender command of a 207 that they are leading to us, that is when we are in charge. I am not taking SAPD's side, I am just correcting your mistakes.

You can't be Operation Leader all the time... don't act like you should be, even the two of us have limits.

[Louis Keyl]

SAPD Didn't got there first.

[Chase]

Louis, stop telling unrelated shit in this topic, and looking for trouble. This topic is about why we don't report 207s, not moan about previous situations, and looking to cause flame.

As for the question.. Answer is simple. The board is in category "SAPD Cases and Reports", meaning its only for SAPD. BUT - I will consider making a 207 report board in FBI forums.. to use as a tool to develop better tactics for the future.