Argonath RPG Police Department

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Title: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 09, 2010, 14:44:40 pm: (http://i53.tinypic.com/j7guc5.png)

Hello fellow police officers, cadets and freecops.

As Ex-SATP (San Andreas Traffic Police) Sheriff, I feel it is my duty to point to this matter once again.
Since my return to the state of Argonath, I have seen to many traffic violations.
Statistics show that we have more than 50%traffic violations!
From this 50%, 30% of these violations are committed by the POLICE OFFICERS...
As a police officer you are here to prevent ramming, speeding and rekless driving! We are not here to commit those violations.
I insist that everybody starts to drive like a police officer should drive.
and I also Insist that the police officers pull more speeders over (civilians). because 20% of these traffic violations are committed by the civilians.
My conclusion: IF we all follow the traffic laws written by the government of argonath and we prevent that civlians break those rules, that we would have a better place to live, that we can walk out on the streets without being scared to get run over my a car, a truck or even a bike!

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Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Travis Colt on September 09, 2010, 14:52:48 pm: hmmm.. You were belgian, weren't you?
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 09, 2010, 15:06:28 pm: Yes I still am
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Kenny on September 09, 2010, 15:18:37 pm: This is correct, atleast half of traffic violations are commited by cops who arent responding to any call, just speeding around the city, most people especially civlians (freecops) go on duty just to avoid being suspected for various traffic violations
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 09, 2010, 15:19:53 pm: Quote from: Kenny. on September 09, 2010, 15:18:37 pm
This is correct, atleast half of traffic violations are commited by cops who arent responding to any call, just speeding around the city, most people especially civlians (freecops) go on duty just to avoid being suspected for various traffic violations

In the past, the traffic devision could fine cops aswell, and the traffic violations of cops really lowered ALOT! Mayby the chiefs should consider this once again.. Els they refuse to Listen anway
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Ed_Lane on September 13, 2010, 15:27:40 pm: Eddie Lets start up SATP again :D I miss the old days :'( with smey and the others that i cant remember :(

I will so join SATP again if it is restarted by you
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 13, 2010, 15:47:14 pm: Quote from: Ed_Lane on September 13, 2010, 15:27:40 pm
Eddie Lets start up SATP again :D I miss the old days :'( with smey and the others that i cant remember :(

I will so join SATP again if it is restarted by you

I am fully active in the Las venturas Highway Patrol. I have no time to start SATP anymore due to IRL stuff. sorry mate!
Join Las venturas Highway Patrol if you wanna have a touch of the old days :)
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 13, 2010, 15:56:27 pm: They say change starts within oneself, that once one manages to renew one's beliefs it snowballs into something bigger.

I won't talk about that stuff. It's as simple as this; you can choose to follow or you can choose to let things stay that way.

We won't stop you making your choice, but God help you if you stop ours...

If anything, Cadets and Officers should be leading the way.
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Dean_Willis on September 13, 2010, 17:41:00 pm: Correct, many officers ram and wrekcless drive
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: RoryAnstruther on September 13, 2010, 19:53:18 pm: Pancher's newest invention to reduce Officer speeding...
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... RADAR MAN
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Rabbit on September 13, 2010, 20:23:21 pm: If you're talking about me following the 80km/h speed limit in the city... you've got it all messed up. I have more important things to pay attention to such as police work, and not tapping my "W" key and hawk-eying my speedometer while trying to watch for violators.
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: SafetyMoose on September 13, 2010, 21:00:20 pm: 47 % of statistics are made up
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 13, 2010, 21:13:26 pm: Quote from: Rabbit on September 13, 2010, 20:23:21 pm
If you're talking about me following the 80km/h speed limit in the city... you've got it all messed up. I have more important things to pay attention to such as police work, and not tapping my "W" key and hawk-eying my speedometer while trying to watch for violators.

Thats not needed: Did I even type the word: drive 80 in city? NO I didn't
It is just stupid that cops ramm everything they see. They act like total idiots!
Then some cops suspect for ramming when they are the ones who rammed a civilian! Point!
No need to drive with excessive speed: just reduce it, pay attention and act professional thats what I am asking for to do!
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: JayL on September 13, 2010, 23:43:30 pm: As I recently said ingame - the problem is not about speeding, but the lack of ability to properly drive at high velocity.

Following speedlimits in SA:MP is a pain in the ass. Tapping W like that guy killing himself on the keyboard from some old internet meme, and you drive very slow.
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Dutchy on September 14, 2010, 01:15:42 am: Yes SIR! I apologise for my behaviour SIR! I will never speed again SIR! An-... wait im not a cop..
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Jcstodds on September 14, 2010, 04:04:37 am: Don't support speed limits, never have supported them, still don't enforce them, I more important things to pay attention to such as what I am having for lunch, what that minority is looking at, and who my spies have been talking to.

JayL has pretty much hit the nail on the head for my views:
Quote from: JayL on September 13, 2010, 23:43:30 pm
...the problem is not about speeding, but the lack of ability to properly drive at high velocity.

Dangerous driving I enforce... even if it is rarely. Since if someone has crashed or caused havoc in my vicinity it is usually my own fault and shit happens, it's no bid deal. They can drive as fast as they want, but if they are blowing up a car at every corner then maybe I will intervene.

Common sense really. I dunno if anyone has ever enforced any speed limit on the country roads, cause that itself is the most pointless law out there. Long open traffic free roads. If your car is on fire or upside down, you are speeding and you got what you deserved.
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: smey on September 14, 2010, 07:27:07 am: You know what I hate? Cops suspecting for speeding and reckless driving, and then themselves drive likes maniacs. When I then suspect THEM, they are like: "WTF, I'm a cop!!!". :D
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: RoryAnstruther on September 14, 2010, 09:03:03 am: I just think there should be an overall catch-all speed law like we have here in California. Instead of 80 in the city, 120 in the county - why not just implement a "basic speed law" - No vehicle shall speed at a rate of which is unsafe for road conditions. - basically, any car doing 200+ with a bunch of cars around breaks that law... any car doing mach-90 through pershing square, any car doing 175 through GS9 is guilty, but on the flip side... any car doing like 180 through market when there is NOONE around may be reasonable/safe... or someone going through SF at mach-90 when there's 8 players on the server...etc.
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 14, 2010, 10:59:50 am: Quote from: [SD]RoryAnstruther on September 14, 2010, 09:03:03 am
I just think there should be an overall catch-all speed law like we have here in California. Instead of 80 in the city, 120 in the county - why not just implement a "basic speed law" - No vehicle shall speed at a rate of which is unsafe for road conditions. - basically, any car doing 200+ with a bunch of cars around breaks that law... any car doing mach-90 through pershing square, any car doing 175 through GS9 is guilty, but on the flip side... any car doing like 180 through market when there is NOONE around may be reasonable/safe... or someone going through SF at mach-90 when there's 8 players on the server...etc.

In a populated area, people should drive slower, I like this idea
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Jcstodds on September 14, 2010, 13:11:35 pm: Before the speeding laws it was like this:

If driving crazily or speeding through dense populations = reckless driving. Done.
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 14, 2010, 13:54:09 pm: So, it would be good that the speeding laws are getting changed

In populated area: reduce speed ( let us say 100km/h +-)
in non populated areas: no limit
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: RoryAnstruther on September 14, 2010, 19:04:37 pm: Quote from: Eddie Pulaski on September 14, 2010, 13:54:09 pm
So, it would be good that the speeding laws are getting changed

In populated area: reduce speed ( let us say 100km/h +-)
in non populated areas: no limit

Exactly. Just quote what I said and you got yourself a good speed law.

"No vehicle shall travel at a speed which is unsafe for road conditions"
- Population
- Time of day
- Weather
= Safe Speed Limit
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Jcstodds on September 14, 2010, 19:34:37 pm: Are the laws actually being changed?

From what I see, most have sense about this. Dunno why no one had this sense when law was introduced though :razz:
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 15, 2010, 16:07:25 pm: Quote from: [SD]RoryAnstruther on September 14, 2010, 19:04:37 pm
"No vehicle shall travel at a speed which is unsafe for road conditions"
- Population
- Time of day
- Weather
= Safe Speed Limit
Person drives at 40 km/h over Pershing Square
Cop pulls him over and fines him for $100 for "Reckless driving"

How can punishment be consistent if everyone is diffirent?
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Jcstodds on September 15, 2010, 19:29:37 pm: SAPD would have to lead by example to show what is acceptable and not acceptable. Remember we should be helping civilians, not punishing them. Only the bad guys should be punished!

Anyway, I made a poll regarding this to try get some feedback. http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=12861.0
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Freightliner on September 15, 2010, 20:07:26 pm: Quote from: Jcstodds on September 15, 2010, 19:29:37 pm
SAPD would have to lead by example to show what is acceptable and not acceptable. Remember we should be helping civilians, not punishing them. Only the bad guys should be punished!

Anyway, I made a poll regarding this to try get some feedback. http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=12861.0

good job on making this jcs! :cop:
Title: Re: Reminder to all police officer in the state of Argonath
Post by: Sushi on September 24, 2010, 14:40:45 pm: I guess one of the main problems with dissolving the speeding laws and replacing with more opinionated laws for police would be that... we'd need a slight baseline or else it would be far too subjective for the officer whose carrying out the observation.

Basically, as long as they aren't speeding recklessly, I think... I'm going with it, for the most part. As long as they aren't snotty that they rammed into me at 200km/h when I was driving at 100km/h and they couldn't swerve properly.