Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Badandy on October 23, 2010, 01:41:30 am
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Ok, Im just doing some research of which cops would like it removed because its kinda non-rp but its a RPG server.
Good
-Less Killing of Suspects
-More Arrests in ARPD
Bad
-People jailing other suspects at LSPD/SFPD/LVPD
-Stealing of Suspects
Vote, Doing research. Please dont have a flame war.
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Do you really think anyone in SAPD would vote yes....wise choice posting on police forums
VOTE: NO
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Not my Brightest ideas.. well, This is just Research. I might delete it if it gets like flaming
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Yes.
You should be a cop because you want to roleplay a cop, not because of money.
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Yes.
You should be a cop because you want to roleplay a cop, not because of money.
Well, as Cop you get money IRL? I don't think the cops are cops for free, because they want to be cop.
Offcourse we should get the money, it's not our fault (us who actually do a job, and when we kill it was the only thing to do) that some ARPD Officers can't handle that. So don't come and say that people don't work also because of the money, because people also need money.
If u want to slow doen the abuse of killing among the ARPD Officers, remove the given money for ARPD officers after killing suspects, and let SAPD Officers still get them, but in my opinion there are alot of ARPD Officers out there, who does a really god job who also deserves the money.
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What Badandy says does have a point, if Cops in general cannot earn a decent amount of cash from killing people then they HAVE to resort to keeping the suspect alive if possible.
The problem is, the suspects MIGHT take advantage of this and actually get themselves killed more seeing as it is a gives them a no - win situation for both sides.
I think we should make the pay for killing suspects ridiculously low. (It's not the best actually, but hey it's an idea :redface:)
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I voted yes.
Positive side: You will have cops to be less likely to shoot and kill everyone on sight. They'll only shoot when there's no other choise. (= more RP)
Negative side: Cops camping in the jailcells to steal suspects. Criminals taking advantage of this, by never giving up. Knowing that cops are less likely to kill, they'll do anything they can to get away.
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Yes for reasons stated above.
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What Badandy says does have a point, if Cops in general cannot earn a decent amount of cash from killing people then they HAVE to resort to keeping the suspect alive if possible.
Positive side: You will have cops to be less likely to shoot and kill everyone on sight. They'll only shoot when there's no other choise. (= more RP)
What you and MOST people on argonath DO NOT understand is "Life in argonath has no value"
They rather die over a $100 ticket than pay
Thay rather shoot it out with the police when they are outnumbered
They rather suicide than /gu
Suspects these days rather actually DIE than come with us..
So please dont bring your bullshit "SAPD will be more carefully and bring suspect because they dont get paid" you really think i give a shit about a lousy $100 or $500 i get when i kill scumbag suspect who murdered cops??
NO i kill because its either me or him, i kill to safe my life, i kill to safe and protect civilian lifes, i kill to safe other officer's life, i kill because am not given any other option
SHALL I STOP NOW????
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No.
I don't mind investigating or arresting, but if the criminal decides to shoot out, I will get payed for the time he wasted! :P
And as Swig posted, RL cops in america get 3K for their job. Here, we get when admin gives, which is if you're in admin timezone you get it. Last time I got one was when Doggi barked :P
Not saying you should be a cop for money, but we do need money for buying stuff in the server right, you just dont spawn it (Being practical, not everyone has 1 Mill here)
EDIT:
Since you involved money in this discussion, think of it this way.
Arrest = $1,500
Kill = 600$
Yet some of freecops choose kill.
Removing the kill amount won't change anything, its the attitude of few cops that needs to be changed ;)
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"Life in Argonath has no value"
It's the attitude of few cops that needs to be changed ;)
Any ways we fix these?
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its for the upper command staff to teach their members what they must do..... there are situations when the LVPD units only allowed to use pepper spray against a running suspect.. because they have a leader with them On duty, who is actually controlling all members of the division.
Its up for the department leaders to raise the new generation cops in good way.
Erasing the payments wont change anything, believe me.
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Why not this, When killing suspect you get 0$ but the suspect looses 5k? Fair enough? What else do you guys want?
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You should get a reward when you defend yourself from someone who tries to kill you.
Police work is a job, after all, even if you do it to roleplay. For the latter, you can give your earnings to other units who helped you if you don't want to keep them- it encourages teamwork.
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Yes remove the extra money. It was a mistake when it was implemented.
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It changes nothing from a suspect point of view. They act same. I think current amaount of cash as you can buy new armour after shootout. Ofcourse it changes quality of SAPD who are more trigger happy. Its a fact sadly. I personaly think that ARPD officers shouldn't get that much.
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Yes.
You should be a cop because you want to roleplay a cop, not because of money.
All rewards should be removed, in my opinion. And all punishments for cops should also be removed. No money loss on death, no money loss when killing a civilian or fellow cop.
This way cops would always stay at the same amount of money, they won't lose anything.
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Well, as Cop you get money IRL? I don't think the cops are cops for free, because they want to be cop.
Well yes, but in real life, police officers have a stable salary - they aren't rewarded for their 'kills'.
And as Swig posted, RL cops in america get 3K for their job. Here, we get when admin gives, which is if you're in admin timezone you get it. Last time I got one was when Doggi barked :P
Uh, what.
So please dont bring your bullshit "SAPD will be more carefully and bring suspect because they dont get paid" you really think i give a shit about a lousy $100 or $500 i get when i kill scumbag suspect who murdered cops??
NO i kill because its either me or him, i kill to safe my life, i kill to safe and protect civilian lifes, i kill to safe other officer's life, i kill because am not given any other option
So... It really wouldn't make a difference if they removed this feature... yes? That's what you're saying right here.
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And as Swig posted, RL cops in america get 3K for their job. Here, we get when admin gives, which is if you're in admin timezone you get it. Last time I got one was when Doggi barked :P
lolwut
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You need CASH in order to buy guns, and those guns will help you stop criminals.
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You'll keep earning money just for killing criminals, maybe back to $100 instead of removing the reward?
Most Freecops does not care about RP'ing hey choose to catch n' kill. Perhaps a restriction of weapons to the
freecop would be nice.
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out of 10 suspects 9 decide to fight till death and if you remove the money then the cops will barely have any money and most of the time they will even withdraw from the case the minute the suspects decides to fight till death...
NO
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The only way Cops earn money is arresting or killing suspects, and that money is often used for additional weapons such as M4, Mp5, or Combat Shotgun. or wearing Body Armor.
You should recommend some other form of Payment, such as a scheduled Pay Day.
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out of 10 suspects 9 decide to fight till death and if you remove the money then the cops will barely have any money and most of the time they will even withdraw from the case the minute the suspects decides to fight till death...
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Perhaps random payment would be easier according to wanted level.
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out of 10 suspects 9 decide to fight till death and if you remove the money then the cops will barely have any money and most of the time they will even withdraw from the case the minute the suspects decides to fight till death...
NO
Perhaps random payment would be easier according to wanted level.
Yes docman, But it will be difficult to make.
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Part of the reason players prefer to die rather than be arrested. This is a general case- criminals get no joy of being jailed or investigated by cops. Because they seen it all before, cops do everything the same in a same boring robotic fashion. Cops are mostly sadistic with roleplay too, and will generally always want to dominate over other players, which means other players get punished by cops if they do not RP the way the cops want them to (which is generally "do this, do that, submit to me etc so I can read some lines from my cop manual".
Let's think for a second. I have executed, abandoned, thrown criminals in the sea. Tortured them, let them decide their own fate in a game called "wheel of justice". Used criminals as human shields, recruited them on suicide missions, chained them up and force them to chase down other criminals. And yet why no complains? Cause they are interested, they are entertained and have fun doing something different. Even in investigation, if I have even slight hint that they are innocent, or they take the time to explain in fun but believable way why they committed crime, then I let them go free as a reward for their RP effort. I will twist the usual experience into something new or entertaining - something they didn't expect.
So you think this will improve any RP? Of course it won't. Problem here is not criminals, problem here is cops being boring and dominant and unfair to civilians/ criminals.
And for smart arses that might pick out the wrong message, I am not saying to do all the things that Ido, you wanna RP a "perfect cop" then you do it your way but you need to be perfectly fair with criminals and civilians, not treat them like shit (unless both sides are doing it) like pepperspray until they submit or die for example... then criminals might actually think "If I get arrested I might have some worthwhile RP with these players". Which is what you want... right?
Edit: Want money? Moan to your captain about how poor you are, get them to organise some cop RP where you can earn cash for doing extraordinary, uncommon cop RP - that isn't what you do on daily basis.
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I think that in either case the roleplay element is the most important factor.
The money should just be an added bonus for the service.
If there was no money involved it would definitely show those that do it for the fun of the job, to those that do it for the side rewards. I think the majority of people do it for a balance of both.
Let's think for a second. I have executed, abandoned, thrown criminals in the sea. Tortured them, let them decide their own fate in a game called "wheel of justice". Used criminals as human shields, recruited them on suicide missions, chained them up and force them to chase down other criminals. And yet why no complains? Cause they are interested, they are entertained and have fun doing something different. Even in investigation, if I have even slight hint that they are innocent, or they take the time to explain in fun but believable way why they committed crime, then I let them go free as a reward for their RP effort. I will twist the usual experience into something new or entertaining - something they didn't expect.
That's a very good point. Some cops think it is just best to get it over and done with - a bit of running around and driving, get them to surrender, otherwise give the criminal a taste of the bullet, and perhaps even go to the effort of dragging them to jail - amidst all this "hassle" the roleplay side seems to have been missed out. I like to roleplay, whether I am a criminal or a cop, rather than just to evade/chase and shoot - that's just the same old, same old, eh? :razz:
There are some brilliant police officers that roleplay to great depths (and fairness), as well of course. The above is just one example of a poor scenario. :)
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New rules for money, about you kill one suspect inside of PD car. Its good for you make patrol on PD cars.
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You get extra 500 for using pd car when you kill a suspect. Pretty good idea I like it. :cop:
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You get extra 500 for using pd car when you kill a suspect. Pretty good idea I like it. :cop:
Though increases abuse to earn bonus cash. Although it could be improved, like you must stay in the car for at least 20 second
to ensure they just don't get in 'n out just for extra profit.
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When people stop caring about cash, and killing criminals. When they start caring about having fun RPing, and letting other people have fun in the process, that's when we won't need this...
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When people stop caring about cash, and killing criminals. When they start caring about having fun RPing, and letting other people have fun in the process, that's when we won't need this...
Definitely. People play for different reasons - some for just pure fun/leisure and some for competition (which gives them fun, I suppose).
Money is always something in most people's minds it seems, in real life too.
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I voted no however I think they should lower the money gotten from jailing suspects back to 100 or 200. because that will still have a gain in roleplay
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Now you basically get 1K for killing. I think the arrest awad either should be increased, or killing reward should be decreased. Because arresting should be encouraged rather than getting out of cruiser and firing upon with no chance for suspect to giveup/roleplay.
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I vote no , because a police officer usually buys a big amount of ammunition and armors , and also repairs his car much ,
He wastes much money , in order to keep doing his work well , he must have some amount of money , as I said before , to buy weapons and make resprays - He gets some of this money by catching suspects .
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no but i think the extra 500 dollar bonus for using a police vehicle should be removed.Many cops who before tried to jail for 1k more now directly shoot since they dont care about just 500 dollars...