Argonath RPG Police Department

Information => News & Announcements => Topic started by: Hank_Rafferty on November 16, 2010, 22:57:36 pm

Title: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on November 16, 2010, 22:57:36 pm: (http://i54.tinypic.com/bf4ze8.png)

To every Police units in the ArgonathRPG (SA:MP) Community,

-Seperating yourself, and your police group from the ARPD/SAPD organisation is no longer allowed.
-Every on duty police units must use the main communication device, the ARPD police radio. (/r)
-When you make patrol reports, or backup requests, do that on the main radio. (/r)
-The TeamSpeak communication device is not a must, just an additional option. When you use the TeamSpeak, dont forget to update on the main radio (/r) as well.
[If you are in car chase and you driving.. its not expected, but have a partner]

Presidential Publication
Quote from: Ronnel on November 16, 2010, 15:55:50 pm
1. SAPD should not distantiate from ARPD officers (freecops) but provide them with guidance and examples on how to operate outside the suspect-arrest-kill/jail cycle. Remember that most new players will lack creativity or experience to do anything else than this.
2. SAPD and its divisions are not allowed to use separate channels outside /r during operations. A CB channel for trainings, special event (this is not a code 30 or other large operation) or "fun" that would disturb the /r is possible, but if communications of an operation are done via a locked CB that means new and non-PD officers are excluded from following and getting the example.
3. This goes equally for TeamSpeak. SAPD and its divisions and subdivisions will no longer have the possibility to reclude in separate locked channels.
4. SAPD command should work to ensure maximal cooperation between departments. Within this it should be understood that the main reason for departments and subdivisions is to have more opportunities at management and command, and not to create competing entities that are separated from each other. However it should be understood that each department and subdivision can have its own style and identity, and unless SAPD rules are clearly broken, this should be allowed and even encouraged.
5. SAPD while maintaining a professional profile should not be formed in to a restrictive entity, neither should its departments or subdivisions. While there is nothing against protocols and requirements for membership, this should not go as far as to place inhibitions on the members that would give them a disadvantage in performing their duty.

Un-official/Official subgroups:

-Every police organisation must use the ARPD forums, if they wish to operate on the ArgonathRPG SA-MP server.

-You are not allowed to make up a separated police organisation outside of the SAPD. If you decide to start your own police organisation, first make proposal about the group to the chiefs (use forum PM) and the upper command staff will decide if the group is usefull or not for the main police department.

-The police units are not allowed to use different interfaces from the main police radio (/r), and the ArgonathRPG TeamSpeak server. (dont use ventrillo or other TS servers)

If you breach the new communication rules, you may get suspended/banned from police work!!

signed Chief Hank Rafferty Las Venturas 16.11.2010. SAPD HQ
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: JayL on November 16, 2010, 23:05:55 pm: Very good. This should increase the interest in SAPD from ARPD volunteers.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on November 16, 2010, 23:06:53 pm: Glad this is in place.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Webster on November 16, 2010, 23:10:28 pm: Quote from: Leroy_Hudson on November 16, 2010, 23:06:53 pm
Glad this is in place.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Fred on November 16, 2010, 23:15:38 pm: Good.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: StatuZ on November 16, 2010, 23:31:41 pm: The TeamSpeak administration will be checking up on all the patrol channels, to see if what happens in there, gets reported on /r aswell.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Alan Demarest on November 16, 2010, 23:32:36 pm: Does this apply to ARPD Officers or only SAPD Cadets+?
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: SafetyMoose on November 16, 2010, 23:42:56 pm: Kinda BS since i think people should be able to do what they want as long as it does not break main server rules but w/e, your guys call.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Swig on November 16, 2010, 23:43:37 pm: Quote from: Cero on November 16, 2010, 23:32:36 pm
Does this apply to ARPD Officers or only SAPD Cadets+?

As Hank says this is for ARPD and SAPD with other words all members of a police group.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on November 16, 2010, 23:47:16 pm: Quote from: StatuZ on November 16, 2010, 23:31:41 pm
The TeamSpeak administration will be checking up on all the patrol channels, to see if what happens in there, gets reported on /r aswell.

Allright... but please dont bug the officers to make report with text.. when they are in Hot Action.. like a pursuit.. and they are happy if they can keep up with the suspect.

@Cero

yes.. everybody, only swat can be exception. FBI is different organisation anyways..

:ps: thats different when eg swat reports "we moving in" .. in that case they use the main radio /r.., or they give team order "move left, stack up..etc" and they use cb or only ts channel.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: James Bowling on November 16, 2010, 23:50:43 pm: One question.. What about Inner-Department talk.. Like lets say.

Hey Guys where are y'all patroling?

Or

Hey Guys lets meet up at the Base
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on November 16, 2010, 23:55:49 pm: in that case Jimmy... both can be used /r or /cb.. its up to the officer. If you find /r is too flooded already, use /cb for such talking.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Nexus Riggs on November 17, 2010, 00:02:57 am: I just wonder what will happen to those freecops who doesn't know how to use /r. :rofl:
Good to see this rule put in. :cop:
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: James Bowling on November 17, 2010, 00:05:34 am: Quote from: Hank_Rafferty on November 16, 2010, 23:55:49 pm
in that case Jimmy... both can be used /r or /cb.. its up to the officer. If you find /r is too flooded already, use /cb for such talking.

Aight thanks for Clarification chief...

Now you said you were going to have this enforce and action would be taken if they did not comply.. Do you want Department leaders to be helping with that?
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Kenny on November 17, 2010, 00:09:21 am: So whatever we say in Teamspeak we have to type it up in (/r)?

So what would the point of TeamSpeak be?
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Ronnel on November 17, 2010, 00:26:06 am: Quote from: DocMan_Churchill on November 17, 2010, 00:02:57 am
I just wonder what will happen to those freecops who doesn't know how to use /r. :rofl:
Good to see this rule put in. :cop:
I doubt that new players will know how to use /cb or log in to TeamSpeak before they know to use /r.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Joseph_Allen on November 17, 2010, 00:36:55 am: Quote from: Ronnel on November 17, 2010, 00:26:06 am
Quote from: DocMan_Churchill on November 17, 2010, 00:02:57 am
I just wonder what will happen to those freecops who doesn't know how to use /r. :rofl:
Good to see this rule put in. :cop:
I doubt that new players will know how to use /cb or log in to TeamSpeak before they know to use /r.

It's a case of sink or swim.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on November 17, 2010, 02:10:23 am: Quote from: Kenny. on November 17, 2010, 00:09:21 am
So whatever we say in Teamspeak we have to type it up in (/r)?

So what would the point of TeamSpeak be?

Quick response. While in a pursuit, you have to wait to type and update officers. With TS, you can make your statement immediately, and then type when you have a moment to pause.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Mack on November 17, 2010, 07:19:15 am: The /cb can be used for department discussions, chit chat, jokes, etc (From what I could make sense)
But all the policing work should be informed in /r
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: SafetyMoose on November 17, 2010, 22:45:12 pm: Question, if i do parking Enforcement, can we use a separate CB for talking between tow trucks so it does not conflict with /r, and only use /r when on a scene of a traffic violation etc?
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Taylor_P on November 17, 2010, 23:04:55 pm: Ok with this post im going to express how i feel with the hole situation in a civil but not polite way so bear with me. 1st off If you make a rule saying all Police Groups must be gone then Why is SRU and USM still around I see this as abusing power and making a loops hole and to be honest to an outsider it makes Captains look like they are corrupt they make rules and regulations that they themselves do not abide yet demand everyone else to due so. A LEADER leads by example not by experience or because your an admin.

2nd Again with the corruption idea so who is actually in charge here? Is there no one to check the balance of power in the Police System? I am not questioning the regulations but the people who put them in, I know CBF was Leader of ARPD but with him sick are people just abusing this and going mad with power because there is no one to stop them or whoever is In charge of ARPD is either to buddy or afraid of this? I mean it seems like someone's personal vendetta has just fired an entire department and forced people to abide by there Iron will, now there is always two sides of every story and I personally there is a huge amount of BS that lurks in the background that low ranks and the public never learns until later when it becomes unimportant but throw us a bone here.

I'm not one to actually do anything big or about changing the status quoe but this just seems like Germany 1934 All over again and if you dont know your History this is when Hitler Came into power and then started to abuse it.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on November 17, 2010, 23:20:29 pm: Quote from: SafetyMoose on November 17, 2010, 22:45:12 pm
Question, if i do parking Enforcement, can we use a separate CB for talking between tow trucks so it does not conflict with /r, and only use /r when on a scene of a traffic violation etc?

All police talk goes in /r .. every report what is related to the police RP.. parking police... universtiy police.. airport police...... All!

@Taylor_P

If you are not part of the SAPD.. you can make up your own group... and it can be a lawenforcement group (except if devs dissallowed it).

In that case.. if you are part of the SAPD... first you make a proposal, and if the upper command staff finds the group what you are about to creat is good for the PD.. you get green light, and you get a place on our forums.

To answer to your question, USM, and SRU.. is usefull for the SAPD.. however they will be changed in some way... what you will notice.

Anyways... if you would like to report somebody for abuse, you can use the community email also...

About comparing the sapd to the nazi germany... hmm... i dont know what are you talking about.
*burns the plans of AREA 51 Camp, and Mordor Camp, where the cops have to wear fake moustache, drink cola, and write 100 page reports all day.* (http://forum.thescubasite.com/rolleye/rolleye0012.gif) (http://www.thescubasite.com)
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Sushi on November 17, 2010, 23:33:24 pm: Nancy, I must say I disagree with you strongly here.

Both the SRU and USM were official groups before this rule was implemented, hence they must've been decided that they were important even among the already numerous police groups. The thing about corruption? Gandalf is always around and if you can't trust him to be just than I struggle to understand who you can trust. For the comments on the 'lower ranks', the blue colour although at the time seemingly unimportant became an issue/argument at times. The 'lower ranks' fought for the colour to be returned and when everyone em masse, they brought it back.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Taylor_P on November 17, 2010, 23:46:13 pm: No im not mad Hank did reply however if you cannot public question something that anyone in ARPD says then yeah there is a problem, I know who and where to go and how to push buttons w/o pushing them too far as well there's a answer to my question and a statement that was made clear for anyone who can read English, however i get the feeling that just questioning hank makes me hated and a bad officer now? If so then was my comment about Nazism true and it may have been misplaced though.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Ronnel on November 17, 2010, 23:50:41 pm: Taylor, unless you did not read all topic you might not have noticed that the rule changes over the last couple of days were instigated by me, not by Hank.
In the past year we have lost two groups of players for the main reason that they wanted to be an official competing group with SAPD, and crossed the limit of being a friend group to becoming an elitist force that would not interact with others. Another thing we witnessed has been the inactivity of SWAT operations, even if SWAT members are still active and playing.
From this we have drawn some conclusions. First of all ARPD and SAPD are the main law enforcement structures, and like in real life the law enforcement is a non-competing entity so it is on Argonath. ARPD (and yes I mean ARPD) should all work together towards the common goal of keeping the streets free of crime, and not start a competition other than a friendly one.
Anyone who feels they can separate them selves from the other law enforcement officers on server is invited to create a civilian security company and abstain from being a law enforcer, by free wil or by force if needed.
As far as the communication rules, they are valid for SRU and USM as well as any other department or group.
Perhaps you have noticed that their TS channels have been removed.

The one group who may return to having a non-patrol channel on TS is SWAT, if they can reactivate themselves.
This because a professional SWAT team has a separate status and would need heavy communication that could disturb the standars police radio of confuse non-SWAT officers.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on November 18, 2010, 04:31:38 am: Quote from: SafetyMoose on November 17, 2010, 22:45:12 pm
Question, if i do parking Enforcement, can we use a separate CB for talking between tow trucks so it does not conflict with /r, and only use /r when on a scene of a traffic violation etc?
If it is to speak with tow trucks, yes. That is technically not official police communication, that is towing communication. If you are reporting in that you are towing a vehicle as a police violation, though, then report in /r.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: wil harris on November 18, 2010, 06:15:10 am: I Feel that dispite the fact my police group has closed, it is beeter for the community if we act as one force. Btw Non-police security groups such as Af keep their Cb channels dont wory about that.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: Lionel Valdes on November 18, 2010, 12:38:56 pm: Quote from: SafetyMoose on November 17, 2010, 22:45:12 pm
Question, if i do parking Enforcement, can we use a separate CB for talking between tow trucks so it does not conflict with /r, and only use /r when on a scene of a traffic violation etc?
you can/must use both.
Title: Re: New rules applying for ARPD/SAPD communications on the field & forums!
Post by: JayL on November 24, 2010, 18:23:27 pm: Question to Hank/Gandalf -

During an organised patrol, is it okay for teams to give information on /cb as long as the dispatch repasses each piece of that information which is judged to be relevant to other SAPD units in /r?