Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Biesmen on April 17, 2011, 00:21:39 am
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Well, this is another thread with the exact same title as I posted a couple of months ago, even a year maybe?
I've noticed, and more officers, how lazy officers and cadets are in the SAPD. Today there was a code 30 at San Fierro. The FBI Called for backup. I arrived immediately. But somehow, some officers just refused to listen to the backup call. 5 Agents/Officers were fighting against 6/7 suspects, who were heavily armed. For so far I know every agent and officer who were on scene died. When I also got killed, I spawned at the LSPD. Then I saw a cadet jumping with a police bike infront of the LSPD, on the road, while there was a CODE 30 call. I've seen officers just running and aiming their guns in the air, doing nothing, while there was a CODE 30 call. I've seen officers just talking and standing, also doing nothing, while there was a CODE 30 call. I asked all available units to respond. When I saw the available officers were relaxing, even a cadet, I got shocked. His teammates were dying in a fight at San Fierro, while they were doing nothing, talking. I call this corruption.
The only officers who responded were FlameMan, BadAndy, me, AND a couple of freecops!. We should take an example of the freecops, who are working hard.
Let me define code 30.
Code 30: Officer in danger, needs assitance.
People think it's a normal call for backup, nothing going on.
What there's standing, as definition of code 30, is correct, which means Officers LIFE is in DANGER. Need assistance IMMEDIATELY.
This behaviour inside the SAPD is, in my opinion, not tolerated. I can't do anything about, except making this topic and hope there will be changes.
I think the SAPD should be more strict to officers. More training, harder punishments if they do not follow the law and rules.
This lazyness is not just for a code 30 call. It's for the most backup calls outside Los Santos. Sometimes even inside Los Santos.
Those cops who are lazy, do not know what it is to be a cop, what your duties are. "To serve and protect." Those officers can't even protect their teammates who they work with all the time, then how would they protect the citizens? Or sometimes vice versa.
Use the forum search button, and type the word: "Lazy". You will see how big this problem is inside the SAPD. This should change, and I will fight for it.
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I fully agree with you Biesmen, thats why I advised you to post this topic.
Also, I noticed that people overuse the Code 30 for really basic situations, which should be max code 3.
Thats the result of wrong teaching them I guess.. and that's why people dont respond on code 30s...
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The only excuse for not responding should be that if you're already on a call which is as or more dangerous than the one the Officer calls immediate assistance for. Next time you should see SAPD members blatently not responding to such situations, send a verbal complaint to their Department leaders privately, for Cadets - Send it to Academy Managers+
When an Officer calls C30 / 207 / 211 and major situation calls, pursuits, traffic stops and lower profile violations should be dropped and you should immediately respond to the major calls - Which is better to respond to; 'Small Crimes' or 'Major crimes (Risking your Comrades lives)'.
These situations require common sense from Officers.
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Nothing was going on yesterday, I had a high-risk gang-related stop, and I requested a code 2 unit for cover. The radio went silent, no response, no unit showed, and I ended up finishing the stop by myself and dismissing the driver, and his friend that drove up during it, and cancelled the response request. I could have been killed because no one wanted to respond. It was the middle of the day with over 100 people online, most of them being cops. You can't tell me they were busy.
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This is probably Officers excersizing their rights to not be forced into Roleplaying.
You'd see something over the Radio like C30 at Gvardia HQ, Shots Fired, Officer Down!
And cops think I'm not getting killed by a suspect who doesn't wanna roleplay, use Combat Shotgun, Quick Scrolling or Chicken Running. I'm going to stay here and roleplay this Traffic Stop.
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Agree and this is happening more and more for every day. Today I had a 207, it was atleast 55 Officers online. I succeded to get 4 SWAT Members and 7-9 SAPD Members to North Rock, I was actually suprised. We were almost outnumbred to the kidnappers. No interestet is showing and it has been awhile, hope it getting a change soon.
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I personally think people have just lost interest in SA:MP SAPD. It's slowly falling apart. The new leadership is still trying to pull together what they can to save it, but at this point SAPD has had so many downfalls and issues that I'm amazed it hasn't caved in on itself yet. Only time can tell what will happen with this now.
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Officers are split into juristictions as we all know. LSPD, SFPD, DPD and LVPD. We all primarily operate in those areas, and as many have said, they won't respond if they are already responding to a higher risk situation. I for one, will divert and respond to a C30 if I'm just in a pursuit, but not if I'm in a pursuit of a dangerous murderer.
Honestly, if officers (SAPD) don't respond then go through the list and screenshot them, and if need be, question each and every single one as to why they didn't respond. There shouldn't be this non-chalance for another officers life, our comrades lives are one of the things we always should want and need to defend.
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I personally think people have just lost interest in SA:MP SAPD. It's slowly falling apart. The new leadership is still trying to pull together what they can to save it, but at this point SAPD has had so many downfalls and issues that I'm amazed it hasn't caved in on itself yet. Only time can tell what will happen with this now.
Bullshit this is an example of only 4 months ago. I organized all the cops and requested them to join TS... We had SFPD, DPD, LVPD, LSPD and even the FBI working together. Not one single cop caused trouble, neither left, neither refused to respond.
Law Enforcement vs. Jungle Call (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cejfnIkzt-U#)
The only key to success is the way how you ask it and lead it.
Remember SRU? You had a C30 and asked back up, SRU was in less than 30 seconds on scene with 8 heavy armed guys, it was even so strong it became a big problem for the criminals.
Even most criminals only committed crimes when SRU was not online. Past 5 days i managed to organize patrols for more than 6 hours in a row without any pause.
15-20 heavy armed cops all patrolling together on Team Speak, and at same time when we had bored moments i was explaining tactics and procedures to make them more effective. The first day it toke them 1min + to respond to any C30. Yesterday and today they responded to all C30’s in less than 40 seconds and what do you think that 6 heavy armed Corleone’s do when 4 police cruisers arrive? Well with organized heavy armed cops they have no choice to surrender or run.
When cops work together massively criminals are too weak to do anything, everything is about teamwork. And no!!! people aren’t bored of SAPD they are bored of patrolling around and getting killed by heavy armed criminals. That’s why they need a leader that motivates them and gives orders. Once they see the system works and they actually get all criminals. Then they start to request massively to start an organized patrol. We have enough forum leaders. We need active leaders on the field because thats more capital then forums.
It’s not the results on paper that counts but on the streets!!!
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@Ben
I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.
Also, if there is backup needed outside LS, most officers decide to sit on their lazy arse and let others do the work.
From now on I will, if there's a backup call, note the names of all officers who refuse to answer the call. The same counts for cadets. I will report them to their department staff.
I think this can be solved on this way: if there's a backup call, C3/30, everyone has to reply if they're responding or not. If an officer says he will not respond, he must give a valid reason for not responding. The officers who didn't reply at all, has a chance of earning a warning.
Ps, sorry for sone typos ans grammar.. I typed this with an ipod.
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The only reason I joined SAPD again was because of LSPD and SRU. Ben's organized patrols gave me the feeling of being a real cop. So this topic is in my opinion bullshit. No offence.
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While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.
Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?
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I have seen my share of lazy SAPD Officers, and even some mid-high ranks who act like freecops, as well as complaints from SAPD Staff to me about shit going on inside their own department.
I believe it is time Chief Leroy to exert his authority and reform his department, starting by ridding it of corrupt officers. If he will not, then it will happen eventually through some other means, such as a Higher Authority.
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While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.
Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?
They are currently patrolling in Los Santos. At least those who is online now.
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While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.
Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?
They are currently patrolling in Los Santos. At least those who is online now.
Then why was there no team available during a heavily armed conflict ?
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@Ronnel; summarized: Inactivity.
Apparently you're not active as you've never seen this problem, Jack. As I said, use the search button and type the word "Lazy" and you'll see how big this problem is.
If possible, could I have a meeting with the SAPD Command Staff? I'd also like to invite FlameMan, if I have a meeting with the SAPD Command Staff. And if possible, this could also be discussed with our President(s).
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Well, I've got my own vision, which probably won't be accepted anyway :P
I repeat this since my return in 2010, but doh. It's too hard to make it happen now..
But that's why Biesmen wants to invite me.. There are many officers who support my ideas, but those ideas got to be accepted on the highest SAPD level, and probably will cause a lot of discussion from a lot of people.
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Biesmen, we are not inactive probably some of us weren't online to respond the backup call.
As about Ben's post. He is totally right i am really pleased when Ben comes online because i know hes going to organize a patrol or training we never make any differences on the cops.. those who come they join teamspeak and then we start the patrol about people who don't we dont make them to it's they're problem. Today Ben organized a patrol and trust me people we pinned down more then 30+ suspects in about 2-3 hours, i couldn't believe it myself we kept responding various of situations in 30-20 seconds. Today there was a huge code 30 at Jefferson - Idlewood bridge, around 6-8 suspects and there was only Me, Ben, and some Angrybird on scene, we took them down one by one by simply covering ourselfs behind a PD car.. i mean yes it's true we didn't have any backup for like 3-4 minutes and i really got disappointed but probably the new cop award system lost our officers motivation and they think to themselfs "I've bought a combat and armour if i respond there myself for 100$ whats the point" that scares me people, the only thing that is missing is teamwork they're not lazy, they want a leader who can direct them, now imagine yourself in an organized patrol imagine yourself in teamspeak, there is a huge Code 30 and you respond alone and you shout on teamspeak or cb for backup what do you think it'll happen? We would just stay there? No we would respond asap, your a senior officer try organizing patrols try to get a partner when you respond a Code 30. And see what it happens.
In my opinion it's not the layzness that is affecting SAPD, it's the lack of leadership/organization/teamwork and communication i see every high ranked officer with they're pm's off driving around with armour in a buffalo instead of f**king organizing or even getting a partner for it.
The moment that Ben logs online all you have to do is log on teamspeak, and then he automaticly organizes a patrol and respond to every single backup call every 30 seconds. That is teamwork.
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While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.
Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?
They are currently patrolling in Los Santos. At least those who is online now.
Then why was there no team available during a heavily armed conflict ?
When and where?
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@Drix
I didn't mean inactivity in the server, I mean inactivity of SWAT doing operationgs.
If Ben's not online, then LSPD SWAT isn't online to organise patrols, or do activities. It's always waiting for Ben. You're not a freecop, you're a well trained SWAT member. If you're authorized to organise patrols, then do it. If you're not authorised, you could atleast tell us that LSPD SWAT is unable to attent and the reason. Then you will go the scene as a normal officer.
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@Drix
I didn't mean inactivity in the server, I mean inactivity of SWAT doing operationgs.
If Ben's not online, then LSPD SWAT isn't online to organise patrols, or do activities. It's always waiting for Ben. You're not a freecop, you're a well trained SWAT member. If you're authorized to organise patrols, then do it. If you're not authorised, you could atleast tell us that LSPD SWAT is unable to attent and the reason. Then you will go the scene as a normal officer.
1. I am not an SWAT.
2. I do organize patrols with Jack and LVPD members when Ben is not online so yeah i'm not always awaiting for Ben. Just finished an organized patrol right now btw
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1. I am not an SWAT.
Sorry, I didn't specifically mean you, I meant with "you" the LSPD SWAT members, in this case.
I'm not sure about the other SWAT teams.
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Why is it that several new officers are being inducted into the SWAT Departments instead of more experienced and competent officers?
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I understand where you are coming from Biesmen. These days cops are less hesitant to give back but i dont blame them. someone calls a code 30 you arrive another city and the minute you are on scene suspects jumps on NRG with a friend, once you attempt to chase they pop your wheels and your out of the chase. or it could be that you are outnumbered and do not stand a chance.
This is where SRU cames in. The only reason it was created was for such situations where all major crime families became so powerful for SAPD to handle and they new our weakness. Within months of SRU operational we have seen crime families operations and senseless killing seize to exist. Once againt he problem is arising and the criminals are becoming toughed up.
Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?
The SWAT is still active however not effective compared to SRU. We used to have a response time anywhere in the map of less than 30 seconds, now it will just take minutes and by the time we arrive the suspects are hoping onto NRG's which makes it near impossible to keep up with our slow ranchers.
SRU was very good at what it did, as lot of cops said it felt like the a real police division and that is the only reason they joined SAPD. We had mafia members who were willing to give up the criminal life just to join us and feel the excitement. Once SRU was abonded alot of the members we had lost interest and dispersed. Matterfact only 4 out of the 15 members are still here.
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I personally think people have just lost interest in SA:MP SAPD. It's slowly falling apart. The new leadership is still trying to pull together what they can to save it, but at this point SAPD has had so many downfalls and issues that I'm amazed it hasn't caved in on itself yet. Only time can tell what will happen with this now.
Bullshit this is an example of only 4 months ago. I organized all the cops and requested them to join TS... We had SFPD, DPD, LVPD, LSPD and even the FBI working together. Not one single cop caused trouble, neither left, neither refused to respond.
Ben, I'm sorry, but that was 4 effing months ago. SA:MP has gone through some major changes since then in terms of players, their attitudes, the administration's own issues, and SAPD itself. In case you hadn't noticed, there's ONE, NEW Chief. It's been a VERY long time since a NEW Chief has existed. That in itself is a sign of changes that have happened. You haven't been here to see that, though, until now. Users are just not the way they were months ago.
Perfect example: Today I witnessed an officer in a VERY high-risk situation, surrounded by armed gang members, one suspect in the middle of them. The gang members were waiting for him to move in so they could attack the officer. The officer screamed and begged over the radio dozens of times (no exaggeration) for backup, as did I. NO ONE arrived until it became a GIANT Code Purple with atleast 20 gang members and about another 15 officers becoming involved AFTER shots were fired and multiple people were killed. No one bothered showing up until the spam of suspections started. Later, this same gang caused a giant war. Ballas versus Groves. About 50 people involved, not counting officers. I had to yell for 10 minutes to get officers on scene before anyone showed up. This resulted in MANY, MANY unnecessary deaths. A simple Code Purple call over the radio with a code 3 request for additional units should've been more than enough to get atleast a dozen NON-BUSY officers on scene, but instead they just drove by or parked and watched like it was nothing until the chat became spammed with 50 or so suspected gang members. Once that happened, everyone flocked in, didn't even try to calm things, and instead opened fire on EVERYONE, causing massive casualties, downed officers, and dead criminals. Many bystanders were also killed in the cross fire, and a few of the suspects successfully escaped. This is absolutely ridiculous, and should NEVER happen. I'm disgusted with the performance of the department lately, to be completely honest.
Two incidents. Large numbers of unneeded deaths. Don't make me even go into the other 2 Code Purples and 3 Code 30's that also happened today, with very little response until AFTER the fact.
P.S. There were over 150+ users online during the middle of the day, most of which were high-ranking officers. This is absolutely sickening.
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As a member of the Administration who has observed the recent climate on the server, I can testify that situations such as the one in SugarD's post are actually COMMON. No f**king joke.
With all due respect, Ben Samiir, you have been inactive recently and even some prominent SAPD have acknowledged that. Things have changed.
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In the past I have chased other cops who didn't help with large gang situations etc. Shouting at them etc :P
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Just as Kenny said, our original SRU team doesn't really exist anymore. Sure we have the skills of the old team, but our tactics aren't the same. When we became SWAT, we became just that. SWAT, we weren't and aren't SRU anymore. We developed a unit but that became restricted and cut off from our SWAT Unit.
Everyone knows that SWAT and SRU are completely different things. Regulations are completely different, we don't have the same situational mobility as SWAT.
Although this wasn't a discussion about SRU or SWAT now was it?
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I got on scene with my partner that was taken down very fast. I saw a Sniper shooting at the other Agents / Officers and I chased them and We got to Gvardia HQ, Queens. They started to shoot me, 3 VS 1. I was clearly out gunned and numbered. I requested assistance around 4 times on radio and No one came. I waited there around 2 mins and No one came. I was gunned down. I really needed backup because My partner was shot down and I was alone and trapped, My car got blown up by them.
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I got on scene with my partner that was taken down very fast. I saw a Sniper shooting at the other Agents / Officers and I chased them and We got to Gvardia HQ, Queens. They started to shoot me, 3 VS 1. I was clearly out gunned and numbered. I requested assistance around 4 times on radio and No one came. I waited there around 2 mins and No one came. I was gunned down. I really needed backup because My partner was shot down and I was alone and trapped, My car got blown up by them.
Exactly, and as I said, I will fight for this to be solved.
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Just as Kenny said, our original SRU team doesn't really exist anymore. Sure we have the skills of the old team, but our tactics aren't the same. When we became SWAT, we became just that. SWAT, we weren't and aren't SRU anymore. We developed a unit but that became restricted and cut off from our SWAT Unit.
Everyone knows that SWAT and SRU are completely different things. Regulations are completely different, we don't have the same situational mobility as SWAT.
Although this wasn't a discussion about SRU or SWAT now was it?
You were promoted to SWAT in order to keep your tactics alive. If you screwed that up, do not blame anything else as your balls.
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Leaded by Ben Samiir. This is how lazy we have been the last week.
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Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>
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Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>
Weapons on the back or the weapons itself? Links may be a problem but I could upload it :D
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Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.
Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.
Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!
And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.
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Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.
Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.
Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!
And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.
Bullshit. I've seen freecops getting approximately 20 people on an organized patrol.
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Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>
Weapons on the back or the weapons itself? Links may be a problem but I could upload it :D
Both :D Upload, pleease :D
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Why is it that several new officers are being inducted into the SWAT Departments instead of more experienced and competent officers?
Hmm, I just wanted to ask that.
Ohh you Flameman :D
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Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>
Weapons on the back or the weapons itself? Links may be a problem but I could upload it :D
Both :D Upload, pleease :D
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=79S3OY7F (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=79S3OY7F) - Weapons itself
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WCPX355Q (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WCPX355Q) - Weapons on the back
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T4NCMXQA (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T4NCMXQA) - Map mod (CLEO)
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Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.
Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.
Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!
And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.
Bullshit. I've seen freecops getting approximately 20 people on an organized patrol.
I'm calling bullshit on you. I haven't seen it happen once in the last week, and I've been online quite a bit lately.
@ The mod discussion, make another topic or take it to PM please.
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Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.
Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.
Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!
And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.
Bullshit. I've seen freecops getting approximately 20 people on an organized patrol.
I'm calling bullshit on you. I haven't seen it happen once in the last week, and I've been online quite a bit lately.
@ The mod discussion, make another topic or take it to PM please.
about freecops, I never said last week, did I?
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I'm calling bullshit on you. I haven't seen it happen once in the last week, and I've been online quite a bit lately.
Well, you do now. For those who think that ARPD Officers cannot make an organized patrol because none will attend then you are wrong, they can do it all it needs is our dedication by joining them.
For example today at morning a ARPD Officer came on teamspeak and called me to join him on a organized patrol, i agreed and got most of LSPD officers with me and some officers who came also. We gathered like 10-11 people on the patrol, it went really good we took down most of the suspects.
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Let's stay on the lazyness topic, guys.
Jack, thank you for approving what I said at the start of this thread.
I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.
[The same counts for organised patrols.]
I've tried the same, but nobody listened. Yes, everyone is lazy, but not when they want to rank up, or afraid of getting fired. Just read my quote.
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Let's stay on the lazyness topic, guys.
Jack, thank you for approving what I said at the start of this thread.
I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.
[The same counts for organised patrols.]
I've tried the same, but nobody listened. Yes, everyone is lazy, but not when they want to rank up, or afraid of getting fired. Just read my quote.
Puh..
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What are you talking about lazy? I had organized a LSPD patrol 10 min before this was called out today(04.19.2011), you called out a Code 30 Idlewood. There was more then 5+ suspectes and 10+ civillians(ballas) and 3 vehicle with officers was at scene 10 seconds later. How is the SAPD lazy?.
And afraid to be fired??, also here im not able to fire someone from SAPD still I had many officers participating on this patrol.
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I have seen more than plenty of neglected Code 30's, as an Admin, FBI, and a freecop.
I'll be blunt about it. The reason why the response to Ben Samiir's calls was fast, is due to his influence as:
- SAPD Captain
- LSPD SWAT-SRU Leader
- Ben Samiir
If I was a Cadet or an Officer who wanted to attain a promotion and possibly a chance to get into SWAT by showing my skills, that is exactly what I would do, or any smart cop for the matter.
Let's face it.
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I have seen more than plenty of neglected Code 30's, as an Admin, FBI, and a freecop.
I'll be blunt about it. The reason why the response to Ben Samiir's calls was fast, is due to his influence as:
- SAPD Captain
- LSPD SWAT-SRU Leader
- Ben Samiir
If I was a Cadet or an Officer who wanted to attain a promotion and possibly a chance to get into SWAT by showing my skills, that is exactly what I would do, or any smart cop for the matter.
Let's face it.
You are bullshitting, again. The only reason I actually join those patrols is because its fun and we teach a lot. I never do anything to get promoted, I do it for fun.
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Let's stay on the lazyness topic, guys.
Jack, thank you for approving what I said at the start of this thread.
I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.
[The same counts for organised patrols.]
I've tried the same, but nobody listened. Yes, everyone is lazy, but not when they want to rank up, or afraid of getting fired. Just read my quote.
Ok.
November 09, 2010, 12:08:04 pm You came to LSPD.
January 31, 2011, 03:13:06 was the last time you made a report on your desk.
Maybe you should have a look at yourself before you f**king say other ones is lazy.
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Unfortunately, not everyone has the same reasons as you. Are you seriously naive enough to assume that all participating Cadets and Officers did it only for the fun, without so much as a single trace of any hidden agenda or ulterior motives?
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Unfortunately, not everyone has the same reasons as you. Are you seriously naive enough to assume that all participating Cadets and Officers did it only for the fun, without so much as a single trace of any hidden agenda or ulterior motives?
Yes, I don't expect people to be retarded enough to participate in something that is not fun. People got fired for hunting for ranks in SAPD.
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Let's stay on the lazyness topic, guys.
Jack, thank you for approving what I said at the start of this thread.
I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.
[The same counts for organised patrols.]
I've tried the same, but nobody listened. Yes, everyone is lazy, but not when they want to rank up, or afraid of getting fired. Just read my quote.
Ok.
November 09, 2010, 12:08:04 pm You came to LSPD.
January 31, 2011, 03:13:06 was the last time you made a report on your desk.
Maybe you should have a look at yourself before you f**king say other ones is lazy.
Indeed, I was busy with the FBI and with exams.
Do you have any problems with that? You also should've noticed I wasn't active a lot ingame due to this. Or.. were you also inactive?
And, about the picture. I called that C30 and most freecops responded. As you can see.
And you forgot to read this, I assume?
Also, if there is backup needed outside LS, most officers decide to sit on their lazy arse and let others do the work.
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JDC isn't "bullshitting" at all. He is right. Ben is very strict and very organised. You know the consequences if you're inactive.
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Unfortunately, not every single rank hunter has been fired... everyone knows that.
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I was wandering along and saw this topic. Oh such a shame, restore SAPD back to what it was 1.5 years ago, please.
Unfortunately, not every single rank hunter has been fired... everyone knows that.
Also, this.
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Let's stay on the lazyness topic, guys.
Jack, thank you for approving what I said at the start of this thread.
I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.
[The same counts for organised patrols.]
I've tried the same, but nobody listened. Yes, everyone is lazy, but not when they want to rank up, or afraid of getting fired. Just read my quote.
Ok.
November 09, 2010, 12:08:04 pm You came to LSPD.
January 31, 2011, 03:13:06 was the last time you made a report on your desk.
Maybe you should have a look at yourself before you f**king say other ones is lazy.
Indeed, I was busy with the FBI and with exams.
Do you have any problems with that? You also should've noticed I wasn't active a lot ingame due to this. Or.. were you also inactive?
And, about the picture. I called that C30 and most freecops responded. As you can see.
And you forgot to read this, I assume?
Also, if there is backup needed outside LS, most officers decide to sit on their lazy arse and let others do the work.
Edit:
JDC isn't "bullshitting" at all. He is right. Ben is very strict and very organised. You know the consequences if you're inactive.
No, I was never inactive. Even if you are busy with FBI you should still be active in your department instead of complaining about the other ones laziness.
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No, I was never inactive. Even if you are busy with FBI you should still be active in your department instead of complaining about the other ones laziness.
How could I be active in the department if I couldn't even access the PC whenever I wanted?
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If I am indeed not bullshitting as to why Samiir gets a fast response, then all cops online should respond to a Code 30 or police drill created by some random new freecop (a real random new freecop, not a UC SAPD), with the same fervor as they respond to Ben. You will see it will not happen.
If Ben is indeed strict and organized as a Leader, then it will be one more reason to respond quickly, since he has the capability to make or break your SAPD Rank. I myself was like that with my Agents.
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I was wandering along and saw this topic. Oh such a shame, restore SAPD back to what it was 1.5 years ago, please.
Enough said.
People, cut the f**king crap. This isn't a topic to argue. Discuss or get out. I'm sick of this attitude.
As for the guy that said I'm "full of shit", the only reason why the FreeCops you mentioned started organizing that patrol was BECAUSE of this topic. I'm not blaming them by any means. It's the Officers+ that I'm pissed about.
Well, you do now. For those who think that ARPD Officers cannot make an organized patrol because none will attend then you are wrong, they can do it all it needs is our dedication by joining them.
You've got some balls to make an accusation like that. Everyone here knows I defend FreeCops more than most people do. I NEVER ONCE said they can't make organized patrols. I was replying to SOMEONE ELSE'S comment that police haven't been organized. Stop making accusations based on things people NEVER said. Also, use the edit button. It exists for a reason. Double posting isn't allowed.
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You've got some balls to make an accusation like that. Everyone here knows I defend FreeCops more than most people do. I NEVER ONCE said they can't make organized patrols. I was replying to SOMEONE ELSE'S comment that police haven't been organized. Stop making accusations based on things people NEVER said. Also, use the edit button. It exists for a reason. Double posting isn't allowed.
First of all it wasn't directed to you, so calm the f**k down your not the only one who supports ARPD Officers, you wrote the reply and i took it that way + i didn't double post so make sure who's making wrong accusations here sir.
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No, I was never inactive. Even if you are busy with FBI you should still be active in your department instead of complaining about the other ones laziness.
How could I be active in the department if I couldn't even access the PC whenever I wanted?
How could you be busy with FBI if you didn't have access to a computer?
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No, I was never inactive. Even if you are busy with FBI you should still be active in your department instead of complaining about the other ones laziness.
How could I be active in the department if I couldn't even access the PC whenever I wanted?
Well, you got time to make a topic moaning about some lazyness shit, seriously. You maybe could spent that time to be ingame instead, or am I wrong?
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You've got some balls to make an accusation like that. Everyone here knows I defend FreeCops more than most people do. I NEVER ONCE said they can't make organized patrols. I was replying to SOMEONE ELSE'S comment that police haven't been organized. Stop making accusations based on things people NEVER said. Also, use the edit button. It exists for a reason. Double posting isn't allowed.
First of all it wasn't directed to you, so calm the f**k down your not the only one who supports ARPD Officers, you wrote the reply and i took it that way + i didn't double post so make sure who's making wrong accusations here sir.
Apologies over the double post thing. It was directed at someone else. I thought that quote came from him.
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Speaking of heavily armed conflicts - IMO, any group of gangsters who are willing to fire shots at SAPD officers should result in immediate SWAT callout. Reason why this has not happened yet is because of SWAT's activity problem I believe. An idea I had was to start massively recruiting SWAT members, and place them into squads based on their time zone, and give them 'shifts'. 1 squad does a 4 hour shift, another squad after that, and it will all add up to 24 hours, meaning 24/7 availability for a squad of atleast 6 SWAT operatives to respond to a c30 / purple.
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Really like Chase's idea.
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Speaking of heavily armed conflicts - IMO, any group of gangsters who are willing to fire shots at SAPD officers should result in immediate SWAT callout. Reason why this has not happened yet is because of SWAT's activity problem I believe. An idea I had was to start massively recruiting SWAT members, and place them into squads based on their time zone, and give them 'shifts'. 1 squad does a 4 hour shift, another squad after that, and it will all add up to 24 hours, meaning 24/7 availability for a squad of atleast 6 SWAT operatives to respond to a c30 / purple.
I agree. SWAT should not be so restrictive. Obviously there would need to be some pretty high requirements, but it should by no means be such a hard organization to get into.
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How could you be busy with FBI if you didn't have access to a computer?
Because that was before I got inactive due to exams.
Well, you got time to make a topic moaning about some lazyness shit, seriously. You maybe could spent that time to be ingame instead, or am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong.
I'm doing both ;)