Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chief J. Schappell on June 14, 2011, 07:16:35 am
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The proposal goes as follows:
A selected group of individuals would be chosen from each Argonath server to form a committee that deals with inter-agency cooperation and communication. Currently as it stands, ARPD has an extremely bad issue with cooperation and communication between the various departments and federal agencies. The point of this committee is to promote them better both inside and outside of cross-server incidents and forum issues.
I'm personally tired of the stupid fighting between them and it needs to be resolved, and with the way people are acting right now, that isn't going to happen, which is why I'm proposing this. If all PD and FBI leaders agree, we should begin choosing people that are currently members of the said PD's and agencies to push this project forward. We shouldn't be fighting, we should be working together, and we also shouldn't need an "ARPD Leader" to keep these problems under control. It's time for a fresh start in ARPD, and I for one feel this is desperately needed. Anyone who says things are working fine is sadly wrong.
Edit: I'm adding ARFD to this. They and ARPD seem to be having issues too, so the more, the merrier!
So far we have approval from:
Law Enforcement Committee:
[✓] LU LCPD
[✓] MTA:VC VCPD
[✓] MTA:VC FBI
[ ] VC:MP VCPD
[ ] MTA:SA SAPD
[✓] SA:MP SAPD
[✓] SA:MP FBI
[✓] IV:MP LCPD
[✓] IV:MP FBI
Non-Law Enforcement Committee (Works with LE Committee):
[✓] LU FDLC
[✓] MTA:VC FDVC
[✓] VC:MP FDVC
[✓] MTA:SA SAFD
[✓] SA:MP SAFD
[✓] IV:MP FDLC
[✓] LU EMS
[✓] MTA:VC EMS
[✓] VC:MP EMS
[✓] MTA:SA EMS
[✓] SA:MP EMS
[✓] IV:MP EMS
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Seems intresting.
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If this project goes forward, then I can assure the full support of the MTA:VC FBI.
I believe none of my Agents will have any objections. :devroll:
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Well the VCFD for both parts obviously will, considering it's led by myself. Also, there isn't a VC:MP FBI. :roll:
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Also, there isn't a VC:MP FBI. :roll:
Ms. Chief, I think you're seeing things ;)
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VC:MP have FBI, it's VCID, leaded by Alex Thompson
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VC:MP have FBI, it's VCID, leaded by Alex Thompson
It's inside VCPD.
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VC:MP have FBI, it's VCID, leaded by Alex Thompson
It's inside VCPD.
Correct. VCID is not FBI.
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Also, there isn't a VC:MP FBI. :roll:
You never know. :)
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Come on guys, this is ridiculous. This shouldn't even be a question of getting other departments' approval...
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Sounds very interesting.
Definitely agree that inter-department/group communication, as well as cooperation could be worked on.
Something along these lines may be a way forward. :)
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Sounds very interesting.
Definitely agree that inter-department/group communication, as well as cooperation could be worked on.
Something along these lines may be a way forward. :)
Well if I can get your department's approval, we'll add you to the list. If everyone will approve of this, (which to be honest they should be instead of ignoring it...), then we can move forward towards setting it up.
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Interesting concept.. I hope this idea will be taken by everybody and mold it, to show the true unity of the Argonath RPG Police Department.
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Interesting concept.. I hope this idea will be taken by everybody and mold it, to show the true unity of the Argonath RPG Police Department.
Very well said.
It's too bad that all the agencies and departments, other than those listed as agreeing already, have completely ignored this topic on purpose without even a bother to explain why. If this attitude keeps up, I will likely need to take it to the next level. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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Also, there isn't a VC:MP FBI. :roll:
You never know. :)
Misleading!!1!!1111
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It's too bad that all the agencies and departments, other than those listed as agreeing already, have completely ignored this topic on purpose without even a bother to explain why.
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If I can catch AFKFenando online, I will see if he can approve this.
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If I can catch AFKFenando online, I will see if he can approve this.
Understood. I sent out a mass-PM to those that haven't replied yet, and he was one of them, so tell him to check his PM's on this board for a quick-link. ;)
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Something on this note, perhaps I can get the other Command staff from VCPD (VC:MP) to take a look if possible.
And yes, I hope other agencies/departments do reply, as many of them seem to be in their own world a lot these days. ;)
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Now im mad, Leroy u better post here :roll:
PS:Maybe for this we can get the help of criminal groups too, expand RPS between multiple servers, this will allow factions from others servers to meet and give the departments something to work together upon
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Sorry for the late respond and yes - you have the support of LCPD. We need such core to create and keep the very important connection among Argonath police departments.
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Now im mad, Leroy u better post here :roll:
PS:Maybe for this we can get the help of criminal groups too, expand RPS between multiple servers, this will allow factions from others servers to meet and give the departments something to work together upon
Uhm no. No criminal groups for a law enforcement committee.
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I have spoken with Leroy personally and he assured me they will be responding soon.
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I do believe removing the ARPD leader would be risky. Plus remember that Ron and Ronnel have this role de facto. They may nominate a person to represent them. So this committee should not be a power usurpation but a way for agencies to coordinate their actions by exchanging work methods, ideas and agreeing on aspects of our tasks and on the procedures to follow in certain situation. I would agree to join a committee that would bring discussions in a constructive way in order to generalize aspects of emergency response and develop techniques to help emergency services in giving a better response to situations, making the tasks safer and establishing clear procedures and path of action.
I wouldn't agree on a group that would have task to lead departments. Such could easily be used to control remotedly a group that is being in minority. I wouldn't agree either on giving special access to group members to any sensitive informations. This could compromise our work (talking about every group). Finaly I wouldn't agree on a group that has for purpose to solve complaints toward other groups. Complaints are to be treated in the way they currently are.
To wrap up if the committee is consultative and has no decisional power over groups and does not usurp authority of actual leaders, I have no problem with it. If you agree on this, then you can count IV:MP FBI in.
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It's strictly for cooperation/communication between the agencies. No power over anyone. I'll show Jack your reply. :)
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In such case, I totaly agree on the purpose of the group.
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I do believe removing the ARPD leader would be risky. Plus remember that Ron and Ronnel have this role de facto. They may nominate a person to represent them. So this committee should not be a power usurpation but a way for agencies to coordinate their actions by exchanging work methods, ideas and agreeing on aspects of our tasks and on the procedures to follow in certain situation. I would agree to join a committee that would bring discussions in a constructive way in order to generalize aspects of emergency response and develop techniques to help emergency services in giving a better response to situations, making the tasks safer and establishing clear procedures and path of action.
I wouldn't agree on a group that would have task to lead departments. Such could easily be used to control remotedly a group that is being in minority. I wouldn't agree either on giving special access to group members to any sensitive informations. This could compromise our work (talking about every group). Finaly I wouldn't agree on a group that has for purpose to solve complaints toward other groups. Complaints are to be treated in the way they currently are.
To wrap up if the committee is consultative and has no decisional power over groups and does not usurp authority of actual leaders, I have no problem with it. If you agree on this, then you can count IV:MP FBI in.
I never said to replace the ARPD Leadership position, which currently is not held by anyone since CBFasi's resignation. What I'm describing is a committee of non-Chief/Director users that work with the other departments in order to promote better cooperation. They aren't dealing with the actual tasks that agencies and departments do, but more-so handle disputes and promote better "working togetherness" between agencies and departments. They would be trusted users, picked by the Chiefs/Directors through their own valid method of decision-making in order to represent the Department/Agency on this committee.
As for complaints, that's the whole issue. A user complains and goes unheard. If they complaint is within that specific Department/Agency the user works for, it would stay as it was before, but say a member of MTA:VC FBI has a complaint against MTA:SA SAPD for discrimination of it's users, then that would be something the two departments would need to work side-by-side on in order to resolve, bringing the other committee members into it if necessary or desired to prevent a hostile environment. No worries, I'm not trying to change how things currently work. This is more-so something to promote Agencies and Departments to have better relations than anything else. They won't have any access to sensitive information unless their specific Department or Agency grants them access to it purposefully.
At what you said on emergency response, task safety, and clearing up procedures, I like where that idea is headed and yes, if the Departments and Agencies desire to bring such ideas or issues into consideration as a whole of ARPD (or emergency services, in the case of the secondary committee), then they will be tasked with solving/resolving and bringing about said ideas and issues that work for everyone.
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Solving disputes has been, at least on SA:MP, been performed through informal meetings between leaders. I remember as FBI Director on SA:MP speaking to CBF and we could solve alot within very few minutes. So if a committee starts discussing about that, all I fear is it will turn in a trench war between agencies. Might be personnal feeling but in my book if any member of an organization has a problem with the member of another organization, he shall either fill a complaint or address to a high ranked in the so told organization. If he is unheard, he should take it to his own leader who will discuss leader to leader. But yeah that is called the good ol`way. :p
As for the rest, I agree on that.
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Solving disputes has been, at least on SA:MP, been performed through informal meetings between leaders. I remember as FBI Director on SA:MP speaking to CBF and we could solve alot within very few minutes. So if a committee starts discussing about that, all I fear is it will turn in a trench war between agencies. Might be personnal feeling but in my book if any member of an organization has a problem with the member of another organization, he shall either fill a complaint or address to a high ranked in the so told organization. If he is unheard, he should take it to his own leader who will discuss leader to leader. But yeah that is called the good ol`way. :p
As for the rest, I agree on that.
Well this is more for organization versus organization issues themselves, not person versus person. Of course, if it couldn't be easily resolved through this method, the Chiefs/Directors would take over, but they have a say in this committee regardless, so it's not like this will be something they don't see. It's more of a group of people lower in the ranks that see the real issues as they happen...the ones that higher ranks don't witness because users are too afraid to screw up in front of them ;)
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Paging Fernando, Leonardo, and JayL.
As for representatives, there should never be instituted a policy, where the number of representatives will be based on the size of the organization they represent, as organizations like SA:MP-SAPD will have half the seats at the table...
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Paging Fernando, Leonardo, and JayL.
As for representatives, there should never be instituted a policy, where the number of representatives will be based on the size of the organization they represent, as organizations like SA:MP-SAPD will have half the seats at the table...
I actually planned it to only have one per department/agency because this is already going to be huge, but in the case of multi-Department agencies, each department would have a say. For example, each FBI and each SA:MP SAPD Department would have a representative. The reason being is because sometimes it can be a Department within the Agency has cooperation issues when another doesn't. The reason why I recommend keeping it to one per Department, though, is because if it's based on Department size, then SAPD would be the majority of the entire thing, and that's not fair to everyone else. The multi-Department agency thing would still apply, however.
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If each SA:MP SAPD Department had a representative, then SAPD would have a total of 4 delegates on the board... so much for not being based on size. It should be one per group, meaning one from SAPD, one from SA:MP FBI, one from VCPD, one from MTA:VC FBI, and so on...
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If each SA:MP SAPD Department had a representative, then SAPD would have a total of 4 delegates on the board... so much for not being based on size. It should be one per group, meaning one from SAPD, one from SA:MP FBI, one from VCPD, one from MTA:VC FBI, and so on...
Well technically that'd mean FBI could only have one, which doesn't seem very fair either ;)
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SAPD is as much a division of ARPD as much as SA:MP FBI is a division of FBI, given the circumstances involved. FBI is a separate "wing" of ARPD, containing a different group of divisions.
Analogy between SA:MP's SAPD and FBI.
Parent Department: ARPD
Departments: Police Departments; FBI
Agencies: SAPD (SA:MP); FBI (SA:MP) < Representatives are chosen at this level
Divisions: LSPD, SFPD, LVPD, DPD (SAPD); Alpha, Bravo, Charlie (FBI)
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SAPD is as much a division of ARPD as much as SA:MP FBI is a division of FBI, given the circumstances involved. FBI is a separate "wing" of ARPD, containing a different group of divisions.
Analogy between SA:MP's SAPD and FBI.
Parent Department: ARPD
Departments: Police Departments; FBI
Agencies: SAPD (SA:MP); FBI (SA:MP) < Representatives are chosen at this level
Divisions: LSPD, SFPD, LVPD, DPD (SAPD); Alpha, Bravo, Charlie (FBI)
I know what they are JDC. I've been here longer than you :O
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SAPD is as much a division of ARPD as much as SA:MP FBI is a division of FBI, given the circumstances involved. FBI is a separate "wing" of ARPD, containing a different group of divisions.
Analogy between SA:MP's SAPD and FBI.
Parent Department: ARPD
Departments: Police Departments; FBI
Agencies: SAPD (SA:MP); FBI (SA:MP) < Representatives are chosen at this level
Divisions: LSPD, SFPD, LVPD, DPD (SAPD); Alpha, Bravo, Charlie (FBI)
Some people in the FBI are under the impression they are not in the ARPD :redface:
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You can add SA:MP FBI.
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You can add SA:MP FBI.
Thank you!
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Hey again,
I think our [VC:MP] VCPD Chief is already aware of this, and in support.
To prevent confusion, I will ask if possible/see if he is able to post. :)
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Hey again,
I think our [VC:MP] VCPD Chief is already aware of this, and in support.
To prevent confusion, I will ask if possible/see if he is able to post. :)
Thank you very much!
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Wait where is this for exactly, because I dont get it?
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Where is what for?
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This idea! :leroy:
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I regret to inform that Chief Jenn Kolta and Captain SugarD are removed from their positions in all ARPD divisions, so for now Captain James McKay will be handling affairs for MTA:VC VCPD.
Anything else SugarD may have dropped, I will be willing to continue in order to coordinate the formation of this committee.
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I regret to inform that Chief Jenn Kolta and Captain SugarD are removed from their positions in VCPD, so for now Captains James McKay and PaulC will be handling affairs for MTA:VC VCPD.
Anything else SugarD may have dropped, I will be willing to continue in order to coordinate the formation of this committee.
Sir, PaulC stepped down from Captain, he is now a MTA:VC Officer due to busy and SAPD
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:o
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Then Captain James is the de facto Chief of MTA:VCPD until further notice, which means the official appointment from Gandalf.
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Then Captain James is the de facto Chief of MTA:VCPD until further notice, which means the official appointment from Gandalf.
Thank you Director
Congratulations to the new defacto Chief! :D
I'm sure you will do amazingly well!
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:o
:pancher:
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Then Captain James is the de facto Chief of MTA:VCPD until further notice, which means the official appointment from Gandalf.
There's to many Captain James's...
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My bad. Captain James McKay.
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My bad. Captain James McKay.
Lol :razz:
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There's to many Captain James's...
Epic, going in my siggy
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My bad. Captain James McKay.
Well not only is there myself for SAFD, but for SAPD there's like 3 others correct? Kolta number 2.
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I regret to inform that Chief Jenn Kolta and Captain SugarD are removed from their positions in all ARPD divisions, so for now Captain James McKay will be handling affairs for MTA:VC VCPD
On whose authority? I'm actually surprised about this..
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I regret to inform that Chief Jenn Kolta and Captain SugarD are removed from their positions in all ARPD divisions, so for now Captain James McKay will be handling affairs for MTA:VC VCPD
On whose authority? I'm actually surprised about this..
Director's, and same i was to.
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I regret to inform that Chief Jenn Kolta and Captain SugarD are removed from their positions in all ARPD divisions, so for now Captain James McKay will be handling affairs for MTA:VC VCPD
On whose authority? I'm actually surprised about this..
Director's, and same i was to.
The Director has nothing to do with VCPD, that authority lies only to the Prime Minister/ President.
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I did not execute any removals of VCPD Command personnel. Given Ronnel's decree regarding forum rights, the actions of Jenn and SugarD mean that they have been demoted (anyone caught abusing the forum rights to manipulate material out of their jurisdiction would be demoted to positions where they can no longer cause harm), although the official announcement has to be given by Ronnel.
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My bad Director, sounded like you fired them.
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That has nothing to do with this topic. Stop leaking command information.
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Then Captain James is the de facto Chief of MTA:VCPD until further notice, which means the official appointment from Gandalf.
There's to many Captain James's...
And some of them ain't even Captain!
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Then Captain James is the de facto Chief of MTA:VCPD until further notice, which means the official appointment from Gandalf.
There's to many Captain James's...
And some of them ain't even Captain!
:lol:
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Then Captain James is the de facto Chief of MTA:VCPD until further notice, which means the official appointment from Gandalf.
There's to many Captain James's...
And some of them ain't even Captain!
True...Been thinking of changing my name due to the billions of James's:p
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I did not execute any removals of VCPD Command personnel. Given Ronnel's decree regarding forum rights, the actions of Jenn and SugarD mean that they have been demoted (anyone caught abusing the forum rights to manipulate material out of their jurisdiction would be demoted to positions where they can no longer cause harm), although the official announcement has to be given by Ronnel.
That has nothing to do with this topic. Stop leaking command information.
The public has the right to know why two MTA:VC-VCPD Command including the Chief were forum-banned, which is better than the possibility of users speculating rumors such as "Maybe they DDoS'd ARPD Forums and got fired"...
Issue concluded.
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I did not execute any removals of VCPD Command personnel. Given Ronnel's decree regarding forum rights, the actions of Jenn and SugarD mean that they have been demoted (anyone caught abusing the forum rights to manipulate material out of their jurisdiction would be demoted to positions where they can no longer cause harm), although the official announcement has to be given by Ronnel.
That has nothing to do with this topic. Stop leaking command information.
The public has the right to know why two MTA:VC-VCPD Command including the Chief were forum-banned, which is better than the possibility of users speculating rumors such as "Maybe they DDoS'd ARPD Forums and got fired"...
Issue concluded.
The public has no right to know. It does not affect them as it is an inter-command issue. Stop leaking information.
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The public has no right to know. It does not affect them as it is an inter-command issue. Stop leaking information.
Tell that to me the next time someone from ARPD Command gets banned with popular rumor portraying them as an iMunna.
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The public has no right to know. It does not affect them as it is an inter-command issue. Stop leaking information.
Tell that to me the next time someone from ARPD Command gets banned with popular rumor portraying them as an iMunna.
It is not your decision to publicize information like that. Administrative issues are at the discretion of the community leadership to deem whether they should be public or not. Anything that is RP-based is defined as public or non-public by Command Staff or the Server Owners. Because this was purely an administrative issue, you have no rights to leak it.
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It is not your decision to publicize information like that. Administrative issues are at the discretion of the community leadership to deem whether they should be public or not. Anything that is RP-based is defined as public or non-public by Command Staff or the Server Owners. Because this was purely an administrative issue, you have no rights to leak it.
In that case, the public should have not known why Safetymoose resigned from the Administration or why I was dismissed from SA:MP-FBI, as they are Admin-Team and SA:MP-FBI administrative issues respectively, yet they do.
You are forgetting that we serve the public here, and one of their rights is the right to know why the leaders of those serving them have been incapacitated, even if it is not into the extent of full detail...
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It is not your decision to publicize information like that. Administrative issues are at the discretion of the community leadership to deem whether they should be public or not. Anything that is RP-based is defined as public or non-public by Command Staff or the Server Owners. Because this was purely an administrative issue, you have no rights to leak it.
In that case, the public should have not known why Safetymoose resigned from the Administration or why I was dismissed from SA:MP-FBI, as they are Admin-Team and SA:MP-FBI administrative issues respectively, yet they do.
You are forgetting that we serve the public here, and one of their rights is the right to know why the leaders of those serving them have been incapacitated, even if it is not into the extent of full detail...
Correct. All they need to know is that they ARE incapacitated. They don't need to know why, or if it's even a punishment. As for the SafetyMoose thing and other examples, yes, the public wasn't supposed to know. Someone leaked administrative information without permission.
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Guys, guys guys.. what the f**k?
Can we just ignore this issue and focus on this Cooperation Committee, which I know several players have been waiting years for. Don't ruin this moment.
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Guys, guys guys.. what the f**k?
Can we just ignore this issue and focus on this Cooperation Committee, which I know several players have been waiting years for. Don't ruin this moment.
I would love to do that. Have the remaining groups made a decision yet?
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Can we just ignore this issue and focus on this Cooperation Committee, which I know several players have been waiting years for. Don't ruin this moment.
I will calm down only if SugarD will stop throwing around libelous allegations of leaking information and retract his blackpainting statements and provocations regarding my staff, as well as a public apology.
Have PMs been sent to the other leaders?
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Can we just ignore this issue and focus on this Cooperation Committee, which I know several players have been waiting years for. Don't ruin this moment.
I will calm down only if SugarD will stop throwing around libelous allegations of leaking information and retract his blackpainting statements and provocations regarding my staff, as well as a public apology.
Have PMs been sent to the other leaders?
That's it. Consider this going to a higher authority. Because you cannot stop picking fights with me, you are no longer welcome to openly discuss this until you can calm yourself and stop arguing.
Temporarily locked pending user issues.
Edit: Reopened. Please stay on topic.