Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mike Collin on January 06, 2012, 11:53:12 am
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Do you have anything you would like to see done within SAPD, this can almost be anything that doesn't require and script support, or maybe you have a suggestion on how to improve SAPD as a whole?
Don't be shy you won't be judged, just leave a little post on what you think would improve SAPD.
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Yes, but it will be denied : Implement jurisdiction.
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Chiefs have some plans which will be presented during the ceremony, don't stress too much and await till the time comes during the ceremony. :cowb:
Yes, but it will be denied : Implement jurisdiction.
What do you mean by that?
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Yes, but it will be denied : Implement jurisdiction.
What do you mean by that?
I mean, when you apply for LSPD/SFPD/LVPD, well you stay in your jurisdiction. Most of the time when we chase a suspect from LS to LV/SF and we requiere the assistance of SF or LV, there is no one in this cities or when they respond, they do it from LS.. so basicly it's quite useless.
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The protocol of jurisdiction still exist.. So basically what you've stated there is a existing protocol.
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It should be enforced then.
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Make BCSD Official pls :rules: :roll: :cool:
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It should be enforced then.
I as a captain of LVPD will gladly increase the enforcment from LVPD side. Of course in order to do that, I need a picture whenever it happens that you pursuit a suspect towards our jursidiction or in our jurisdiction, just /area all the online LVPD officer when you call that backup on the radio and their response.
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Instead of implementing and enforcing juristictions, why not remove the department system altogether? When I joined the SAPD there were no departments so there were way more regular officers than command staff members, ensuring that only the best of the best were made sergeants+.
The departments right now serve no actual purpose other than encouraging petty rivalry between departments and handing out command staff badges to anyone who walks in.
P.S. Plam, could you please change your font? Black italic text is a serious strain on my eyes, even when highlighted and it's seriously sabotaging my already sub-par vision.
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I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.
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I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.
Yes, Departament System is indeed good.
BUT!
Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism
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I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.
Yes, Departament System is indeed good.
BUT!
Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism
I am tired so forgive my aggressive in this upcoming post.
I can easily bloody deny your opinion of favourtism. A good officer is a good officer regardless and if they do a notably good job, they shouldn't be rewarded because they are buddies with the captain or lieutenant? As for those not getting awards that are apparently getting 'F.Us' from their departments leaders. What the actual balls do you know about having to decide unbiasly what the 30 officers in your department deserves? What kind of things do we have to go through to be able to see everyone, to know everyone, to be able to even make a proper opinion on them. Also, again with the 'friendship' etc bias that apparently is a bloody fact. I will kick a sergeants arse down to officer if he screws up so hard, regardless of whether his my friend or not. As well as any other person, depending on what they do. So don't go parading around saying that it is a fact. You're free to think it, but don't pin things on a general group when you know absolutely nothing about what we have to do.
Also I'm sorry, I am fairly sure there is already a suggestions, questions page made by Pancher or someone a long time ago... not to mention, saying 'Make us official!' means absolutely nuggets here. There are no properly individualist sub-divisions in the SAPD, with the exception of SWAT. Why do we need another group to pop up, when ALL of this can be done from a department with the same officers? I mean why implement even more segregation and confusion among officers with another sub-division, that could easily convolute it's own authority amongst others. Or, like I mentioned. They can join a department and be 'official' SAPD Officers whilst still being exactly what they are? Why do you need a badge of 'officiality'?
As for the jurisdictions. I was at first an SAPD officer and I patrolled Los Santos, simply because it was the place I felt most comfortable at on the job. When the departments came in, I joined SFPD because LSPD was full and I proceeded to patrol SFPD, even when there was no one there. Why? Because I was SFPD. I'm not saying that departments should 100% be in their areas only, but that should be their priorities. 'Got a suspect driving a ice-cream truck into SF, SFPD do you respond?' - Peels out of a high speed chase with a buffalo being chased by 50 cops in LS and goes to SF. Why? Because SF is their responsibility, conversely with any other department. Got action in LS, LSPD get on your horses and get there NOW. My officers bumming around for no reason in the other cities? Then they should be off duty, or I'll kick them off if they won't do it themselves. But that's starting to go onto a different topic altogether.
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I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.
Yes, Departament System is indeed good.
BUT!
Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism
I am tired so forgive my aggressive in this upcoming post.
I can easily bloody deny your opinion of favourtism. A good officer is a good officer regardless and if they do a notably good job, they shouldn't be rewarded because they are buddies with the captain or lieutenant? As for those not getting awards that are apparently getting 'F.Us' from their departments leaders. What the actual balls do you know about having to decide unbiasly what the 30 officers in your department deserves? What kind of things do we have to go through to be able to see everyone, to know everyone, to be able to even make a proper opinion on them. Also, again with the 'friendship' etc bias that apparently is a bloody fact. I will kick a sergeants arse down to officer if he screws up so hard, regardless of whether his my friend or not. As well as any other person, depending on what they do. So don't go parading around saying that it is a fact. You're free to think it, but don't pin things on a general group when you know absolutely nothing about what we have to do.
Also I'm sorry, I am fairly sure there is already a suggestions, questions page made by Pancher or someone a long time ago... not to mention, saying 'Make us official!' means absolutely nuggets here. There are no properly individualist sub-divisions in the SAPD, with the exception of SWAT. Why do we need another group to pop up, when ALL of this can be done from a department with the same officers? I mean why implement even more segregation and confusion among officers with another sub-division, that could easily convolute it's own authority amongst others. Or, like I mentioned. They can join a department and be 'official' SAPD Officers whilst still being exactly what they are? Why do you need a badge of 'officiality'?
As for the jurisdictions. I was at first an SAPD officer and I patrolled Los Santos, simply because it was the place I felt most comfortable at on the job. When the departments came in, I joined SFPD because LSPD was full and I proceeded to patrol SFPD, even when there was no one there. Why? Because I was SFPD. I'm not saying that departments should 100% be in their areas only, but that should be their priorities. 'Got a suspect driving a ice-cream truck into SF, SFPD do you respond?' - Peels out of a high speed chase with a buffalo being chased by 50 cops in LS and goes to SF. Why? Because SF is their responsibility, conversely with any other department. Got action in LS, LSPD get on your horses and get there NOW. My officers bumming around for no reason in the other cities? Then they should be off duty, or I'll kick them off if they won't do it themselves. But that's starting to go onto a different topic altogether.
"Make us official" was simply a troll post and should stay that way
And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.
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This isn't a troll topic, so keep that in mind.
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And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.
Look, if you're going to make a post claiming that you know something, it's common courtesy to elaborate. Right now it just seems like you're bragging about something that doesn't warrant bragging.
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Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in a Department, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions
while the Officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revised and the structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favoritism.
No matter what you do, Favoritism will occur in any institution (just like Corruption). The question is whether or not it'll be rampant or not.
Also, just because an Officer is cordial (or as you say, "friends") with a member of Cmd. Staff doesn't mean that the awards will start pouring like rain. Maybe the Officer who deserves it isn't in a position to make his work visible to the Higher-Ups? (Timezone differences probably)
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I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.
Yes, Departament System is indeed good.
BUT!
Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism
False and incorrect statement you have put there. You realize how much time the SAPD CMD overview and spend each day and each second to gain a better knowledge of other officers? You just have to put the effort in in order to show yourself.
"Make us official" was simply a troll post and should stay that way
And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.
Please do tell me what knowledge you have within the SAPD CMD, because you just appointed/launched a accusation of the SAPD CMD awarding only 'friends'.
Also, for proposing a group to be offical within the ARPD..
Take a look at this (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=22535.0) topic and this (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=9964.0) topic.
Regards,
Deputy Chief Paul Caltson
SAPD CMD HQ
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Why not split the Departments completely? No more SAPD...just LSPD, LVPD, DPD, and SFPD, just like how we have LCPD, LCPD, VCPD, VCPD, SAPD, and SAPD now. It would allow the Chiefs to focus on less as a whole, enabling them to be less overwhelmed and more successful at focusing on each Departments' issues. Given SAPD's past history in it's various forms, rivalry shouldn't be an issue either, as each Department would likely be willing to cooperate with one another given the good relations they currently have as a conjoined group. The smaller sizes would also mean less problems since each Department would have more ability to shift it's focuses on just it's juristiction. You also wouldn't have to worry about closing Departments since each one would be responsible for it's own stuff. :cop:
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I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.
Yes, Departament System is indeed good.
BUT!
Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism
False and incorrect statement you have put there. You realize how much time the SAPD CMD overview and spend each day and each second to gain a better knowledge of other officers? You just have to put the effort in in order to show yourself.
"Make us official" was simply a troll post and should stay that way
And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.
Please do tell me what knowledge you have within the SAPD CMD, because you just appointed/launched a accusation of the SAPD CMD awarding only 'friends'.
Also, for proposing a group to be offical within the ARPD..
Take a look at this (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=22535.0) topic and this (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=9964.0) topic.
Regards,
Deputy Chief Paul Caltson
SAPD CMD HQ
Well, this is Argonath, and everyone is fair to give the opinions. Even tho im not very familiar with the actual situation im stating a fact that i have heard around from many SAPD Officers out there and read around the forums.
And yes, maybe indeed i made an unwaranted statement about the favourism.
As i said i have positive points about departaments and negative. I think it was kinda fun when nobody gave a damn where they are patrolling or anything like that, but i think that departaments make officers more organised , while without a departament, people sometimes forget to be organised and punctual for certain situations.
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Well, actually...in many ways Max is right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group)–out-group_bias
^ Just look at the references...I don't like using Wikipedia on full face value.
It's human nature to show favouritism for people in the "in-group", and it is naive to think that it does not happen. Psychological studies (as shown above) offer huge amounts of evidence for this, in both field experiments, natural experiments and lab experiments.
Honestly, I have spoken to SAPD Officers in the past who are bloody good at what they do, but don't get recognised for it. I'm not saying it happens every time, all the time, but human nature dictates that we do show favouritism, and that cannot be ignored.
It seems like I'm just siding with Max, but I've come up with those conclusions from reading the evidence shown to me ;)
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Well, actually...in many ways Max is right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group)–out-group_bias
^ Just look at the references...I don't like using Wikipedia on full face value.
It's human nature to show favouritism for people in the "in-group", and it is naive to think that it does not happen. Psychological studies (as shown above) offer huge amounts of evidence for this, in both field experiments, natural experiments and lab experiments.
Honestly, I have spoken to SAPD Officers in the past who are bloody good at what they do, but don't get recognised for it. I'm not saying it happens every time, all the time, but human nature dictates that we do show favouritism, and that cannot be ignored.
It seems like I'm just siding with Max, but I've come up with those conclusions from reading the evidence shown to me ;)
Indeed in the human nature there has always been favouritism, but its kind of redicless to just point out how there is favouritism in something that you have never worked within or never seen how it works. As well please lets stop with this, I heard a story from my friend, who heard it from his friend, who heard it from his grandpa, who heard it from his grandpa and so on...
If you saw something with your own eyes, then sure do share it, but lets stop with these stories that pass by 5000 people and they all change the meaning of it.
I have seen a lot of great officers as well for past almost 3 years, yet when you get promoted to the point, where you decide which officer is supposed to get promoted, you don't just look at their basic skills anymore, you have to look in behavior, discipline, paperwork at some point, every single little thing steps in here. So lets say some officer has great skills, but his attitude is very poor, of course this person cannot be promoted to lead other people with such a attitude.
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I don't really mind if SAPD became 1 department, it has its advantages. But also its a reasonably balanced system we have at the moment. We are all united under the SAPD banner and each PD has free roam to form its own style.
If SAPD was completely split up into separate PD's each with their own chief... this would not work at all. The PD's would conflict much more and may even cause fights. Besides, there is not enough command staff for this anyway.
Anyway, what will probably happen is that DPD will go and the countryside will be protected by LSPD, SFPD and LVPD.
As for favouritism within SAPD - chances are that players who are promoted are friendly with whoever promoted them - since some may find it difficult to give responsibilities to those they do not know, trust or get on with. Which makes sense really. In many cases though - those who stand out are usually promoted in SAPD from their work which is quite obvious. Since there are not that many leader types and as a result we are lacking quite a lot of command staff. If friends were promoted... I'm sure this wouldn't be the case.
For official (Sub)groups in SAPD - groups can become official and can get scripted support - if it is supported by SAPD and developers. For this though you really need to work at a group. With BCSD, this is unlikely to get support or become official because we already have an official faction that covers this - DPD.
In SAPD you can great your own official groups, but they do not get scripted support and are usually monitored by a PD. E.g. I occasionally see some police biker or traffic groups popping up within PD's.
My own group - BAIT (Immigration Patrol) could have become an official faction of SAPD with scripted help even (we actually have a custom HQ in LS Docks)... but I only got this opportunity quite late and could not continue the project.
Anyway if you make a group, the objective is not that it should become official. The objective is for it to be a great group. If it is a great and succesful group - chances are it will become official in some way anyway.
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For those pointing at knowing officers who do a good job and do not get rewarded, it is from this moment on your DUTY to recommend them to the Captains. Then if they do not get rewarded you can ask the Captains for an evaluation and you will know the reasons. Should this still point to favouritism, then you ca nreport to the Chief.
If you hear this story but do not know yourself anyone, consider it bullshit.
SAPD is one force and it one department. It just has some subdivisions that are to be working together, not compete.
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For those pointing at knowing officers who do a good job and do not get rewarded, it is from this moment on your DUTY to recommend them to the Captains. Then if they do not get rewarded you can ask the Captains for an evaluation and you will know the reasons. Should this still point to favouritism, then you ca nreport to the Chief.
If you hear this story but do not know yourself anyone, consider it bullshit.
SAPD is one force and it one department. It just has some subdivisions that are to be working together, not compete.
SAPD shouldn't even have departments
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Departments make everything much more organised.
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Departments make everything much more organised.
Well yes, Departments make everything easily controlable, and you can see through everything.
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I'll list some points which explain why we have expanded departments in the SAPD.
- Due to the population and expanding of the SAPD
- To make it more organized
- Easier for the leaders to sort out some stuff which is in regards to the department
- Get a better knowledge of officers and their future instead of looking over 80+ officers.
- Opportunities to experience and enjoy you're own policing style ( LSPD, DPD, LVPD and SFPD all have different roles / acts)
And some other points which mostly explain why. It's basically giving you some opportunity to choose some style that you enjoy instead of being automatically in one department which does the same thing. Thus is why we have Department transfers, to give a fair opportunity to experience other department roles and styles.
However, overall - SAPD is ONE team, and that team is to serve and protect to the state.
If you wanna roleplay being a Sheriff and want to be drunk in the rusty golden roads - DPD is your option
If you wanna roleplay being a Los Angeles city cop as per normal cops role in the clean spotless roads - LSPD is your option
If you wanna roleplay being a Chicago sort of person and want to be in some sort of a enlightening department with amazing streets - SFPD is your choice
If you wanna roleplay being a Las Vegas sort of person such as a semi-sheriff or a professional person in the strips and casinos with highways nearby - LVPD is your choice