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GTA: Vice City => VC:MP Complaints => [VC:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: voores on May 22, 2012, 19:44:43 pm

Title: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: voores on May 22, 2012, 19:44:43 pm: Report against RazorX

Reason for Reporting this player?:raging as cop, attacking without /c sus and /c sur raging into bank rob without even rp, killing all on sight if seeing at least 2 criminals.

Screen Shots if Available:(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5718/beztytuufuf.jpg)
and if possible i want to call witness of his misbehaviour player Rapture and Lance_V

Demands:of course removing out of VC:PD

Signed, respecting the law citizen,Voores
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Verz on May 22, 2012, 19:53:43 pm: RazorX was already banned for that kind of behavior earlier. I kinda believe you, but that image doesn't show that much, maybe he accidentally shot Lance, or there was a shootout, I can't know that. I would like to see some more screens, if possible.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: voores on May 22, 2012, 21:09:25 pm: Quote from: Verz on May 22, 2012, 19:53:43 pm
RazorX was already banned for that kind of behavior earlier. I kinda believe you, but that image doesn't show that much, maybe he accidentally shot Lance, or there was a shootout, I can't know that. I would like to see some more screens, if possible.

thats it, i tooked only 1 ss after his 2nd auto warn, didnt expect that behaviour on vcpd cadet so i wasnt really prepared.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: ^Shadow^ on May 22, 2012, 21:49:37 pm: We need more solid evidence to point our fingers to him and say that he is guilty for everything you stated there.

- Academy Manager Shadow
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: PulseEffect on May 26, 2012, 03:39:51 am: Can we have some evidence posted? I'm kinda "interested" in the actions of this Cadet.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Stormeus on May 26, 2012, 16:26:12 pm: Do you at least have any other witnesses?
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: voores on May 26, 2012, 16:46:47 pm: Ok so i did some SS and there it is:

"I forgot to suspect" as always...
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9172/vcmp122l.jpg)

and 3 screenies as Cadet fighting with innocent man.
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3231/vcmp080.jpg)
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3998/vcmp078.jpg)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7482/vcmp079.jpg)
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Huntsman on May 26, 2012, 21:41:18 pm: The pictures do not provide any evidence of shots being fired from the Cadets side, only the guy shooting him
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: voores on May 26, 2012, 22:20:34 pm: look at the fade of the gunshots, every :war: leave a fade after shot for about 1 sec.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: James Moretti on May 26, 2012, 22:23:43 pm: Though you can see that Inferno has a shotgun and is shooting to.

Maybe no time to /su because he is being shot?
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: voores on May 26, 2012, 22:43:14 pm: like 3 other times. thats my point, no suspecting, no /c sur.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: PulseEffect on May 27, 2012, 03:00:51 am: That's purely either Self Defense which is stated in the Argonath Rules.
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Killing in self defence is allowed.
If you find that someone is deathmatching you, but have no chance of getting away, you are allowed to kill in self defence.

http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/VC:MP_Server_Rules (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/VC:MP_Server_Rules)

OR

A provoked fight between Inferno and RazorX...

If so either one, I don't think he would have enough time to type /c sus Inf Assault.
And /c sur
If you really doubt my point go try it when someone's got a stubby and their gonna kill you.
You'd either die or take health down to below than 50% Health.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Huntsman on May 27, 2012, 08:21:02 am: There is no way an Officer can /c sus or /c sur when immediatly being shot at. Plus we dont have to /c sur if we are being shot at.

This enviroment was a small one, there arent much places to take cover and suspect him before he comes and starts shooting again.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: RazorX on May 28, 2012, 18:31:06 pm: The first screenshot shows that I killed Voores when he was a suspect. At the time, there were many criminals shooting at me and I was really outnumbered. I didn't have enough time to use the command /c suspect as [EAF]DIAZ and Voores were shooting at me. I apoligized to Lance after.

The other pictures show when Voores was wanted and Inferno was helping him. When I got close he started using stubby on me and I had to run as you can see in the pictures.

It happens a lot when I kill someone. They return to help their friends and when I kill them again I get warned. Sometimes its just not possible for me to make sure everyone shooting at me is wanted. A player called Nylez is a medic who helps criminals and he gets killed many times when not wanted. I can say its my fault but I am not the only police officer this happens to.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Rapture on May 28, 2012, 19:08:11 pm: Sorry for being late, I was invited to witness RazorX's behavior and post some evidence about it.
Voores' has a lack of screenshots, these kills may seem accidental but it is a REPEATED process by this cadet. He is out of control and may death match everyone he sees without giving the opportunity of roleplay, just looking at the wanted list and shooting suspects for "monies". He doesn't even pay attention to who's wanted, everyone who stands in his way must die

Demanded proof:

1. False sussing, probably just to "milk" some money out of an innocent man (by killing him).
(http://i46.tinypic.com/16j30o8.jpg)

2. Again, not giving a fuck and just shooting random people, the "..." was a response to the angry victim.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/r9pdvp.jpg)

3. Just backing up Voores' evidence, nothing special here.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/9urhjp.jpg)

4. More random killing from his side, he doesn't even care about who's wanted, he will shoot innocent bystanders (as mentioned above).
(http://i46.tinypic.com/sb4g2b.jpg)
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Stormeus on May 28, 2012, 19:46:02 pm: Will be looked into. It would probably help to have the original images from these two screenshots:

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(http://i49.tinypic.com/r9pdvp.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/9urhjp.jpg)
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: RazorX on May 29, 2012, 18:50:05 pm: About the false sus, in my opinion was valid. Stormeus was there at the time and he knows what happened. [EAF]Diaz killed me by a headshot and when I returned he kept provoking me. I suspected him for killing me and was kicked for "false sus". So no I was not "milking" money off innocents as DIAZ is a criminal who is always attacking cops.

I do not shoot random people, that is a lie. If I kill an innocent, it is a mistake and usually in self defense. Why would I deathmatch on purpose? I know that you get warns and I don't wish to get kicked from the server so use common sense here. Check that the person I killed was Voores in that picture. Its obvious that he was attacking me again, because Voores is always attacking the police.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Rapture on May 29, 2012, 22:02:18 pm: Quote from: RazorX on May 29, 2012, 18:50:05 pm
About the false sus, in my opinion was valid. Stormeus was there at the time and he knows what happened. [EAF]Diaz killed me by a headshot and when I returned he kept provoking me. I suspected him for killing me and was kicked for "false sus". So no I was not "milking" money off innocents as DIAZ is a criminal who is always attacking cops.

Really? I can see in the screenshot that clearly Stormeus was the one against it, why would he kick you for no reason if he supports you? Not logical in my opinion.

Quote from: RazorX on May 29, 2012, 18:50:05 pm
I do not shoot random people, that is a lie. If I kill an innocent, it is a mistake and usually in self defense. Why would I deathmatch on purpose? I know that you get warns and I don't wish to get kicked from the server so use common sense here. Check that the person I killed was Voores in that picture. Its obvious that he was attacking me again, because Voores is always attacking the police.

Oh-kay... Killing Lance who was unarmed at the time isn't deathmatching and its self defence? Wow. I didn't know.
Farel and Han weren't doing anything, I remember that situation clearly.

:ps: No shit you get warned, you got tempbanned in the past for it, you also got kicked a billion times for killing innocent civilians.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: RazorX on May 30, 2012, 19:33:27 pm: Read what I'm saying I never said Stormeus supported me. What I said was that he was there and knows what happened.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: ~Legend~ on July 03, 2012, 02:15:08 am: This report shall be concluded soon and final replies given.

Please feel free to leave any further posts if they're relevant.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: RazorX on August 05, 2012, 17:35:09 pm: Any progress on this yet?
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: Rapture on August 06, 2012, 13:12:34 pm: lol wth... you got promoted to officer with a complaint open? :app:
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: ~Legend~ on August 18, 2012, 16:23:35 pm: Quote from: Rapture on August 06, 2012, 13:12:34 pm
lol wth... you got promoted to officer with a complaint open? :app:

Not quite -

The promotion was given after we managed to sort things out internally, and rest assured the person/people in question affiliated with the VCPD were given full briefings on the situation.

All the same, was hoping a proper conclusion would've been posted, but I will do that shortly and give everyone a heads up on actions taken as that seems fair.
Title: Re: Reporting to VCPD cadet RazorX
Post by: ~Legend~ on August 19, 2012, 20:14:16 pm: On behalf of both the Academy and Command Staffs, I would like to conclude with the following.

RazorX - a Cadet of the Vice City Police Department at the time was warned for any misdemeanours by the official police force itself.
Although we couldn't always gain a lot of information suggesting rules/protocols being broken from the screenshots and other evidence on this topic, we understand that rulebreaking on anyone's part, as well as misunderstandings can be frustrating and damaging to gameplay.
The Argonath Administration have already taken necessary actions, as well, on this front. The relevant rule breaks would have now been highlighted and discussed already in this topic and all necessary actions taken.

Furthermore, the Academy Staff also worked with those in question to ensure that professionalism is held up now and in the future to a high, well above satisfactory level. RazorX has shown he has learned and is able to perform as a competent member of your Vice City Police Department and is now serving as a VCPD Officer.

Thank you to those that contributed to this report. We hope that we can make this part of ARPD as best as possible, and greatly value feedback from the general community.

Yours sincerely,

Deputy Chief Legend
VCPD Command Staff
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