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GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 10:53:12 am

Title: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 10:53:12 am
Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators: Wrong usage of a police's vehicle.

1. Officer [Rstar]Pancher - He spawned a Hunter with his Manager rights and engaged on a bunch of suspects on sight without being engaged first.
2. Officer's Department - An officer told me that he was not assigned to any department.

 a. Pictures provided by Aleksandar.:

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z325/aca26/sa-mp-174-1.png)

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z325/aca26/sa-mp-176-1.png)

 b. Report Pancher evidence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECeKlEWHhE&feature=youtu.be)

Date: 29th of November, 2012 - Around 09:50 server time.
Time: Between 09:50 and 09:54.

Civillian(s) involved: Aleksandar., Petar_GvardiaT, Henry_Ancelotti, Clown., Alberto_Soprano, Fher and Terro - Johan was near us as well, but he did not engage on the cops or got engaged on.

Signed
Hugo Gvardia.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: AGvardia on November 29, 2012, 11:00:00 am
Yes, I was there and witnessed everything, I support Hugo's statements.

-Aleksandar.

Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Stiven_Dynasty on November 29, 2012, 11:16:49 am
I, Clown/Stiven witnessed everything. I were there also, Hugo's statements is a fact.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: PulseEffect on November 29, 2012, 11:28:17 am
I am Officer PulseEffect who happened to be one of the pursuing officers.

Pancher had been clearly advised that their were multiple suspects all armed, I called simply for backup. Afte you lot started shooting. I quite frankly yelled "shots fired" over TeamSpeak.

Quote from: SAPD RPP
Your weapon is only to be used when necessary, such as covering another officer or defending someones life.

His weapon being the Hunter.

~ARPD Officer PulseEffect

Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 13:30:16 pm
I am Officer PulseEffect who happened to be one of the pursuing officers.

Pancher had been clearly advised that their were multiple suspects all armed, I called simply for backup. Afte you lot started shooting. I quite frankly yelled "shots fired" over TeamSpeak.

Quote from: SAPD RPP
Your weapon is only to be used when necessary, such as covering another officer or defending someones life.

His weapon being the Hunter.

~ARPD Officer PulseEffect

You were the ones engaging on us.
We were with Charlie Corleone at LVAP, roleplaying that we were stealing his donuts.
Then Pancher comes near, blasting everything and that is when we enter in the AVDS Vincent and try escaping.
After some time you and another officer came again and engaged on us, we killed you and the other officer escaped and that is when Pancher kills three or four of us with the Hunter.

Also, he cannot use his Manager commands to spawn vehicles that he cannot spawn with his police's commands, but that is another thing that was reported already anyway.

From where did you quote that sentence, by the way?
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Sushi on November 29, 2012, 14:48:59 pm
Please inform Pancher of this report, will await his statement. In the mean time, please submit a full statement that describes the events as they happened point by point. When I receive Pancher's statement, I will begin asking questions about what happened and ensure that your statement is accurate.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 15:31:15 pm
Please inform Pancher of this report, will await his statement. In the mean time, please submit a full statement that describes the events as they happened point by point. When I receive Pancher's statement, I will begin asking questions about what happened and ensure that your statement is accurate.

It is too long...

I was with Aleksandar. at Market and an officer suspected us.
Then two more officers came by and started chasing us.
We got our bike stuck on a wall so we jumped out of it and started shooting as the officers started shooting first and gave us warning to surrender.
We killed those three, but one of them then was always coming to us from his spawn location which was near and was always punching us, not letting us get on the bike, we killed him around three times.
He then quited from punching and carjacked us, I carjacked our bike from him and we then started evading again.
The three cops came and started chasing us again, we were evading and I was drive-bying at the same time.
After that, I don't remember well, we met Clown. and Albert Soprano somewhere.
We were evading again and went up to Idlewood PNS, where we met a cop who was always ramming us and carkilling, therefore we proceed to shoot him down, but he got bugged or something and was not losing any HP.
He then went away, so did we. We went towards the Ammu-Nation to get strapped and met Terro. and Fher.
We went towards Las Venturas because of something that I do not remember. Our car blew up at Las Venturas stadium so we took one of those Vincents from Argonath Veterans Driving School.
We decided to regroup at Las Venturas airport so we could re-organize.
That is when Charlie Corleone comes by and says that he is coming in peace.
I told them on the CB not to shoot him.
We then started roleplaying that we were stealing a donuts' box from him.
That is when another cop comes by and tells us to surrender.
They started shooting him and I spammed the CB three times, telling them to stop shooting.
Then Pancher comes and shot us like warning us, I presume.
We then get into the cars and we go towards Caligula's casino.
Pancher makes our car blow up and we then went up towards Starfish casino, running and jumping while Panchers sends bombs towards us from his Hunter.
One cop comes by and starts shooting at my friends, I then engaged on him as well by shooting with an AK47, he then turns to me and starts shooting at me, I took out my Combat Shotgun and start blasting him and when he is out of HP, he tried to run away, but someone shot him down.
Finally we find a car, a Nebula, I take it, pick up Clown. and Aleksandar.
When we are about to go away, Pancher starts shooting our car with his Hunter, making us blow up.
We then try to get the Nebula again and he blasts us with his Hunter, that is when we die.

Regards.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 16:49:26 pm
I Brian Blaze also once contacted Pancher about enganging us with a Hunter while he was only a Senior Officer, he did not had any comment against me, he also fired me with a M4 while I was not armed but thats not on this case,
Sadly I have no evidence of this.

It's not the first time that he engaged with a Hunter against me without being engaged first.

One of the other times was at Red County. He told me that he was just warning me and not meant to actually shoot me...
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: AGvardia on November 29, 2012, 19:15:52 pm
Mr. Acika Luciano had same problems with Pancher.

When We tald Pancher he said 'Good luck with video'
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 19:20:48 pm
When We tald Pancher he said 'Good luck with video'

This.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: PulseEffect on November 29, 2012, 21:36:13 pm
I am Officer PulseEffect who happened to be one of the pursuing officers.

Pancher had been clearly advised that their were multiple suspects all armed, I called simply for backup. Afte you lot started shooting. I quite frankly yelled "shots fired" over TeamSpeak.

Quote from: SAPD RPP
Your weapon is only to be used when necessary, such as covering another officer or defending someones life.

His weapon being the Hunter.

~ARPD Officer PulseEffect

You were the ones engaging on us.
We were with Charlie Corleone at LVAP, roleplaying that we were stealing his donuts.
Then Pancher comes near, blasting everything and that is when we enter in the AVDS Vincent and try escaping.
After some time you and another officer came again and engaged on us, we killed you and the other officer escaped and that is when Pancher kills three or four of us with the Hunter.

Also, he cannot use his Manager commands to spawn vehicles that he cannot spawn with his police's commands, but that is another thing that was reported already anyway.

From where did you quote that sentence, by the way?

From before since we had been killed mutlipe times, that is a C30 and

Quote from: SAPD Codes
Code-30: Officer in danger, needs assistance

For us it's our code for "shots fired"

With that

Quote from: SAPD RPP
Armed suspect, opening fire - The immediate use of lethal force (any weapon) is granted until threat is neutralised.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 21:42:48 pm
I am Officer PulseEffect who happened to be one of the pursuing officers.

Pancher had been clearly advised that their were multiple suspects all armed, I called simply for backup. Afte you lot started shooting. I quite frankly yelled "shots fired" over TeamSpeak.

Quote from: SAPD RPP
Your weapon is only to be used when necessary, such as covering another officer or defending someones life.

His weapon being the Hunter.

~ARPD Officer PulseEffect

You were the ones engaging on us.
We were with Charlie Corleone at LVAP, roleplaying that we were stealing his donuts.
Then Pancher comes near, blasting everything and that is when we enter in the AVDS Vincent and try escaping.
After some time you and another officer came again and engaged on us, we killed you and the other officer escaped and that is when Pancher kills three or four of us with the Hunter.

Also, he cannot use his Manager commands to spawn vehicles that he cannot spawn with his police's commands, but that is another thing that was reported already anyway.

From where did you quote that sentence, by the way?

From before since we had been killed mutlipe times, that is a C30 and

Quote from: SAPD Codes
Code-30: Officer in danger, needs assistance

For us it's our code for "shots fired"

With that

Quote from: SAPD RPP
Armed suspect, opening fire - The immediate use of lethal force (any weapon) is granted until threat is neutralised.

As far as I know, Hunters and Hydras cannot open fire on the suspects unless the suspects shoots at it.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Tom Adams on November 29, 2012, 23:15:22 pm
Lets make one thing clear, If you dont have evidence then stop throwing accusations about what he has done in the past.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 29, 2012, 23:46:50 pm
Lets make one thing clear, If you dont have evidence then stop throwing accusations about what he has done in the past.

I have evidences - check the video and the pictures.

By the way, are you related to this case or meant to post?
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on November 30, 2012, 00:08:17 am
Hi,

I'm going to give you one question which is quite frankly the main concern here..

Quote
He spawned a Hunter with his Manager rights and engaged on a bunch of suspects on sight without being engaged first.

What exactly do you wish to establish from the SAPD if he used his so-called "Management" rights?
This question will depend the fate of the report depending on the reponse you provide.

SAPD Chief,
Paul
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [R*]Pancher on November 30, 2012, 09:03:34 am
I'v noted the report against me and waiting to see the reports fate before any possible responds from myself.

Regards,
Senior Officer Pancher
 :pancher:
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Tom Adams on November 30, 2012, 13:50:16 pm
Lets make one thing clear, If you dont have evidence then stop throwing accusations about what he has done in the past.

I have evidences - check the video and the pictures.

By the way, are you related to this case or meant to post?

Yes I am releated to this post, infact I will be handling the case from now on.

Hi,

I'm going to give you one question which is quite frankly the main concern here..

Quote
He spawned a Hunter with his Manager rights and engaged on a bunch of suspects on sight without being engaged first.

What exactly do you wish to establish from the SAPD if he used his so-called "Management" rights?
This question will depend the fate of the report depending on the reponse you provide.

SAPD Chief,
Paul

Now please respond to this before final decision will be made.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 30, 2012, 16:20:14 pm
What exactly do you wish to establish from the SAPD if he used his so-called "Management" rights?

The fact of the spawn been made with his Manager rights has nothing to do with this report, I already reported that to [email protected].

The thing is that he started blasting us without getting shot or being engaged on and, as far as I know, it goes against the SAPD rules.


  What an absurd report.

  There should be awards given to the craziest police reports like this in the next SAPD Ceremony.



Do not provoke, flame or insult me, please...

This is copied from the rules board:
"Provocation of any kind, is not accepted (This includes creating any kind of tension or starting arguments)".


Dear SAPD, this is NOT my report but I just want to like to tell something
Pancher was a chief of the SAPD and is a manager of the server but still. He used HEAVY fire arm on SAPD duty to kill suspect using rockets of a air support aircraft (hunter) I got told by admins captains and FBI members that this is only allowed when the 'suspect' is in a water vehicle (boat or hoovercraft) or fleeding in air. It is not allowed to shoot suspects on the ground UNLESS granted by the deputy chief or higher to open fire. I do not see anyone said that he granted allowance to open fire, nor they shot the hunter so its abuse of firearm by the SAPD, I think this needs to be made clear. I guess you are just protecting pancher because he was a ex-chief, but the report is Abuse of fire arm on suspects that not engage nor were in a aircraft or water vehicle nor granted allowance to open fire. As reminder, this is not my report just assistance to the reporter.

Thank you for your support!
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Deluca on November 30, 2012, 20:21:15 pm
We only see that you're reporting Pancher for using the Hunter, but not providing evidences from what happened before he spawned the hunter. Hunter has been used by SAPD for more than boats and aircrafts. In fact, Hunter is not used against aircrafts, nor boats if I'm right, but standard vehicles who require such assistance. From the picture I've seen, I do not see that you roleplay anything but perhaps are there for the shooting and the action? Ronnel made a statement that if you're not in Argonath to roleplay then stay out of it. I do not doubt when I see the evidences from this report 'till now that you were heavily armed with M4s and Combat shotguns, maybe a sniper rifle also. How could an ARPD officer outrun you guys using ARPD supportive standard duty equipment? I think there's a background story from this, where as you've been evading the police for long enough and killed enough officers. In Real Life, if several vehicles, fully occupied would instantly shot and kill police officers, then a SWAT team would be called, if this was impossible(like it is in Argonath at this time) then you would have evacuated and done something similar like this, maybe block off the whole city and send the army after you, but this is Argonath. There's a limit where you can kill before getting a hunter after you and I've been one of those who had a hunter in my ass when evading cops and killing 10 cops in a row without dying. It's normal. You just show that you're discomfortable with the fact that you do not have free limits in this server and now want to settle a personal score against Pancher.

Regards
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Tom Adams on November 30, 2012, 21:18:04 pm
Again, If you are not part of this report in any way, then do not post even If you would like to do it so bad.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [R*]Pancher on November 30, 2012, 21:26:24 pm
First of all i wonder if the SAPD Command staff can dismiss all none related replys here that have not been requested to post here by Mr Hugo.

2nd of all, are these reports made in the terms of RP or not?

Do i need to contact my lawyer before i give my statement to this?
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Tom Adams on November 30, 2012, 21:46:11 pm

The thing is that he started blasting us without getting shot or being engaged on and, as far as I know, it goes against the SAPD rules.

Please provide the rule which mentions anything about Hunter and when Hunter is allowed to engage.
And yes, Hunter is allowed to shoot the person on sight who decides to shoot the pilot first as he's life is in direct danger. If anyone of you, from the bunch of people, did that earlier then you had to face conesequenses.



From this post, all messages that will be posted and are found unnecessary, will be removed on sight.

Snr. Officer Pancher, you may contact your lawyer but that will be your choice whether you need one or not.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on November 30, 2012, 22:46:20 pm
We only see that you're reporting Pancher for using the Hunter, but not providing evidences from what happened before he spawned the hunter. Hunter has been used by SAPD for more than boats and aircrafts. In fact, Hunter is not used against aircrafts, nor boats if I'm right, but standard vehicles who require such assistance. From the picture I've seen, I do not see that you roleplay anything but perhaps are there for the shooting and the action? Ronnel made a statement that if you're not in Argonath to roleplay then stay out of it. I do not doubt when I see the evidences from this report 'till now that you were heavily armed with M4s and Combat shotguns, maybe a sniper rifle also. How could an ARPD officer outrun you guys using ARPD supportive standard duty equipment? I think there's a background story from this, where as you've been evading the police for long enough and killed enough officers. In Real Life, if several vehicles, fully occupied would instantly shot and kill police officers, then a SWAT team would be called, if this was impossible(like it is in Argonath at this time) then you would have evacuated and done something similar like this, maybe block off the whole city and send the army after you, but this is Argonath. There's a limit where you can kill before getting a hunter after you and I've been one of those who had a hunter in my ass when evading cops and killing 10 cops in a row without dying. It's normal. You just show that you're discomfortable with the fact that you do not have free limits in this server and now want to settle a personal score against Pancher.

Regards

You are not related to this case, nor you were asked to post, however, I will answer to your statement.

We were suspected and carried on at Market, Los Santos. At this moment, we were only two, I and Aleksandar.
Then two more cops came to assist the other one, they PIT'd us and we fell off the bike while trying a stunt, they got out of the cars and started shooting as they noticed that we were armed as well (they gave warnings before so they were allowed to engage on us), we then shot back and we killed them.
One of them then comes back and starts punching us, I killed him three times while Aleksandar was trying to take off the bike from the place where it was (cannot explain it too well, it was kinda stuck on a wall).
We met up some friends, killed two more cops because they engaged and we went up to LVAP.
We met Charlie Corleone there and he told us that he was coming on peace so I told them not to shoot on the CB.
He then starts roleplaying with us that we were stealing his donuts. Someone from us noticed a Hunter coming towards us and announced it on the CB, so we got into the car and started running away.
Pancher, without any god damn reason starts blasting us and shooting with Hunter's Miniguns - we still did not shoot back.
Everything after this can be seen on the video.

Apolagizes for not showing the roleplay, but I only took the video when I noticed that Pancher was shooting towards our car.

Anyway, Charlie Corleone can post on this topic, saying that we were roleplaying with him and we did not shoot the Hunter.


And yes, Hunter is allowed to shoot the person on sight who decides to shoot the pilot first as he's life is in direct danger. If anyone of you, from the bunch of people, did that earlier then you had to face conesequenses.

No, we did NOT engage on the Hunter at anytime, even after Pancher shot towards us.

You can request for a log checks, if you want to.


2nd of all, are these reports made in the terms of RP or not?

I do not think so.
I have checked other reports and there is no roleplay on any of them.

Regards!
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on December 01, 2012, 00:22:26 am
What exactly do you wish to establish from the SAPD if he used his so-called "Management" rights?

The fact of the spawn been made with his Manager rights has nothing to do with this report, I already reported that to [email protected].

The thing is that he started blasting us without getting shot or being engaged on and, as far as I know, it goes against the SAPD rules.

Now you've stated that...
How would you know the Heavy air rules and policies?
Why would SAPD take the culpability if Pancher spawned it via his so-called "Management" rights?

That way, we cannot question or denunciate Pancher of anything unless his done something OUT of the Heavy air which is against the SAPD regulations. The heavy air part is left to the Head Administration.
Vice-versa if a ARPD Officer part of the Management spawned a Hydra and starting shooting a suspect. We cannot do a single thing about it as that is not part of our commands or regulations.



In regards to the topic:
People who just posted with an excuse stating i know this and that without being involved. Warned and post removed as stated in the report regulations.
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on December 01, 2012, 11:41:14 am
Now you've stated that...
How would you know the Heavy air rules and policies?

I have heard people talking about it already.


Why would SAPD take the culpability if Pancher spawned it via his so-called "Management" rights?

I don't know, I just thought that I should report if he went against the rules and, as I already stated, as far as I know, he cannot use such lethal force against cars or on foot suspects if they did not engage on the pilot or shot at the vehicle...
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on December 01, 2012, 11:50:35 am
I have heard people talking about it already.

I doubt for a moment that you exactly know the regulations fully as it's displayed for SWAT Commanders and SAPD Chiefs only.

Quote
I don't know, I just thought that I should report if he went against the rules and, as I already stated, as far as I know, he cannot use such lethal force against cars or on foot suspects if they did not engage on the pilot or shot at the vehicle...

Yet again, what does SAPD have anything to do with it? As i mentioned earlier.. It's not our issue or problem from the point a server command is out of our boundaries.
In this case, Management might have their own regulations on the Hydra/Hunter use.


Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on December 01, 2012, 12:52:18 pm
I doubt for a moment that you exactly know the regulations fully as it's displayed for SWAT Commanders and SAPD Chiefs only.

Seems like you did not take one minute to actually read what I wrote...
I did not say that I know all the regulations or so, however, I have heard people talking about the Hydra and Hunter usage already.

Yet again, what does SAPD have anything to do with it? As i mentioned earlier.. It's not our issue or problem from the point a server command is out of our boundaries.
In this case, Management might have their own regulations on the Hydra/Hunter use.

And once again you did not take any time to read what I wrote...
I THOUGHT that I should report because every single time that I complain about something, people tell me to report it at either arpd.argonathrpg.com or [email protected].
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on December 01, 2012, 12:58:19 pm
Quote
however, I have heard people talking about the Hydra and Hunter usage already.
Hearing rumours and correct facts are two different things.

Quote
people tell me to report it at either arpd.argonathrpg.com or [email protected].
[email protected] is the answer for this case.

Anything else?
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Hugo_Ferreira. on December 01, 2012, 13:05:16 pm
Hearing rumours and correct facts are two different things.

I have heard it on the main chat and from a dark blue name, I do not remember which name it was, though.

[email protected] is the answer for this case.

Anything else?

I already report him to [email protected] as well.

So, he breaks SAPD rules, but just because he spawned it with the Manager rights, you are not gonna care about it? :lol:
Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on December 01, 2012, 13:08:09 pm
I already report him to [email protected] as well.

Thanks for saving my time.. Case closed.

Your other questions can be answered by actually reading my past posts. I'm satisfied that there is no charges pressed into the Officer.
Follow on the command chain on how to report management and you may progress from there.

SAPD Chief,
Paul

Title: Re: Officer [Rstar]Pancher - Misusage of police's vehicles.
Post by: Ronnel on December 01, 2012, 21:41:10 pm
From a management position there is such a simple thing as calm and safety on server. When it seems clear that there are a number of suspects having no intention of surrendering or getting rid of their warning level and intent on causing as many deaths as possible the management has several options.
What I notice in this case is that you have been aware for a long time that there was a heavy threat above you, and had multiple times that your transport was blown up giving you every chance to surrender. As your behaviour made clear that you had no intention of surrendering until killed by firepower the decision saved numerous lives of officers.
Should this not yet be added to the heavy fire manual, it will be done shortly so that not only the management is able to use this.
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