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GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: BraadPan on December 22, 2012, 19:12:36 pm

Title: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 22, 2012, 19:12:36 pm: Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators:/b]

1. Fais[ - not giving a proper investigation
2. Officer's Department I dont know. but he is a cadet.

Hello SAPD.

Today i found great unjust in the police system. Let me give you my story.

I am a fireman and i was on a mission in red county, the hilltop farm. a huge fire it was. While doing my work as a fireman, another fireman (which did not have any expierence at all) decided to walk into my spray. While having little to no health left from fire, this is not a great idea and it will get you killed. The downside on this is that the person that is doing his job, gets suspected for murder, while this clearly is closer to terms as; suicide, accident.

So then after i finished my job there, i wanted to refill the engine i was driving, when suddenly officer Fais shoots on my engine. I hailed and i got cuffed. tried to explain but he then allready used force to make me get in his car (which was a police buffalo) in order to transport me to LSPD. There i had to ask: "have you not forgot something" in order to get my miranda rights. I told him i do wish to have an attorney and i cannot afford one, so you appoint me one. This never happened.
Anyways. as he became more impatient, he says: you murdered so you cannot get an investigation. but i know my rights so i wouldn't come to jail with him,
In the end he killed me.

Never got an attorney. didn't have a proper investigaton. i have been a victim of police brutality. This under the nose of matrixbob.
My demands are:

1. An official appology from the SAPD.
2. Cadet Fais to be trained better in dealing with cooperating suspects that wishes to have an investigation and attorney.
3. 2500$ for refunding my dead and time i could have gone to do another mission.

otherwise i will take this to civil court.

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Date: Saturday December 22 2012
Time: about 18:30 i believe

Signed
Braad_Pan
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Tom Adams on December 22, 2012, 21:03:51 pm: Not giving a proper investigation means that he went aganist your civil rights, you may sue him in court instead.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 22, 2012, 21:18:56 pm: Mr.Brad your crime was murder . murder = jail . i asked a high ranked cop for investigating for killing he said investigate it and make it short . this is not our problem that he was in your way an you sprayed him by an accident then he got killed. also the crime is still valid i gave you your investigation . and i found that you were guilty . and you didn't want to come to jail and your crime is valid. also i gave you many warnings to come with me and you didn't comply . so don't report that i didn't investigate you.+ i didn't kill you this was Max_Profaci.

regards
Saif
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: J. Jones on December 22, 2012, 22:02:17 pm: Quote from: Tom Adams on December 22, 2012, 21:03:51 pm
Not giving a proper investigation means that he went aganist your civil rights, you may sue him in court instead.

Court cases against officers must be dealt by ARPD superiors first. In this case, a report to SAPD Command should be used.

President Ronnel announced this to the judges and Civil Courts relayed this as well.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Matrixbob on December 23, 2012, 05:32:07 am: i got called in for admin side, Main reason was for suspect not complying. later found out the the officer was not giving a proper investigation asked me to do it because i was FBI. however i couldn't i was there as a admin. that is all i have on the matter
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 10:50:24 am: Quote from: Saif_Collin on December 22, 2012, 21:18:56 pm
Mr.Brad your crime was murder . murder = jail . i asked a high ranked cop for investigating for killing he said investigate it and make it short . this is not our problem that he was in your way an you sprayed him by an accident then he got killed. also the crime is still valid i gave you your investigation . and i found that you were guilty . and you didn't want to come to jail and your crime is valid. also i gave you many warnings to come with me and you didn't comply . so don't report that i didn't investigate you.+ i didn't kill you this was Max_Profaci.

regards
Saif

First of all, my name is Braad, not Brad.
Murder != jail. I dont know this person you call a high ranked cop, but he should know that innocent persons shouldn't be jailed. As you are a cop and you wanted to get me jailed, it is actually your problem. you might have given me what you call an investigation (asking what happened, note that i allready lost 3/4th of my health by this cop) , but then all you said in reply: murder is murder and it's not our problem you are innocent or something like that. I think a proper investigation comes with a proper outcome.
Also, i said like 5 times i wanted an attorney, but you did not take any actions to get me one. you did however get matrixbob to come and let him say: comply with the cops, understand.

I personally think a suspect should not have to comply with cops that aren't following the arpd rules. admins shouldn't just appear, not knowing about what is going on. This makes the situation even more unjust.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Def Perry on December 23, 2012, 11:54:17 am: Hello,

So, I was the 'high ranked Officer' who got contacted by officer Fais. He asked me: ''should I give an investigation if someone is suspected for murder?'' and I simply answered it, without knowing the situation: 'Yes, depending on the outcome, you can consider a lower sentence.' The SAPD does not give unsuspections for murder, as Fais already stated, murder is murder.

Quote from: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 10:50:24 am
I dont know this person you call a high ranked cop, but he should know that innocent persons shouldn't be jailed
By the way, I would like to ask you to watch your words, as I take this as an insult. Quit the provocations, it is not tolerated and it will not get you any further. Thank you.

Signed,

Sergeant Perry
S.A.P.D Lower Command
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 15:14:41 pm: Quote from: Def Perry on December 23, 2012, 11:54:17 am
Hello,

So, I was the 'high ranked Officer' who got contacted by officer Fais. He asked me: ''should I give an investigation if someone is suspected for murder?'' and I simply answered it, without knowing the situation: 'Yes, depending on the outcome, you can consider a lower sentence.' The SAPD does not give unsuspections for murder, as Fais already stated, murder is murder.

Quote from: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 10:50:24 am
I dont know this person you call a high ranked cop, but he should know that innocent persons shouldn't be jailed
By the way, I would like to ask you to watch your words, as I take this as an insult. Quit the provocations, it is not tolerated and it will not get you any further. Thank you.

Signed,

Sergeant Perry
S.A.P.D Lower Command

I have not been suspected for murder first of all. i am suspected for killing.

Definition of murder:
mur·der [mur-der]
noun
1.
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)

Is a fire accident therefore to be called a murder? I do not believe so.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 16:57:36 pm: Quote from: Saif_Collin on December 22, 2012, 21:18:56 pm
Mr.Brad your crime was murder . murder = jail . i asked a high ranked cop for investigating for killing he said investigate it and make it short . this is not our problem that he was in your way an you sprayed him by an accident then he got killed. also the crime is still valid i gave you your investigation . and i found that you were guilty . and you didn't want to come to jail and your crime is valid. also i gave you many warnings to come with me and you didn't comply . so don't report that i didn't investigate you.+ i didn't kill you this was Max_Profaci.

regards
Saif
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 17:29:19 pm: I would like to point out there is a flaw in the SAPD's Procedures.

...Keep in mind, anything that results in manslaughter, regardless of self-defense or accidental will not be unsuspected. In accordance with the miranda rights, you must try to acquire a lawyer for them or wait for theirs to arrive...

this is a procedure made by the sapd, but this conflicts with the Constitution.

Section III: Criminal Law

Act I: Under punishment by law enforcement, no resident shall commit murder, acts of thievery, of possessions, assault on any resident, vandalism of any property, acts of rape, act of abduction or any other act harming person, wealth, or property.

Act IV: A person is innocent until proven and declared guilty.

Act V: A criminal offence is an offence only if it is an offence in the written official documents of the United State of Argonath. Anything that is not specifically included can be brought into civil court in order to set the legitimacy of the case.

although murder and (involuntairy)manslaughter might look like eachother, these are different things.

Killing is murder when: The killer planned ahead to kill another
Killing is manslaughter when: The killer didn't plan ahead to kill another, but did this on purpose in the moment.
Killing is involuntairy manslaughter when: The killer didn't plan ahead to kill another and didn't do this on purpose.

A fire accident may be called involuntairy manslaughter, however not murder. therefore i am not a murderer and i should have gotten an unsuspection
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 23, 2012, 18:52:59 pm: after i asked Def . he said " to give him it but shortly" i gave him the investigation .if some one came infront of him and he is putting off he can stop spraying and warn the guy,before complete spraying with his extinguish. i found he was fault .so don't say that i didn't give you your investigation .this 2 pics were taken after the investigation and refused to be jailed .
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 20:17:44 pm: if you call that an investigation, you might aswel give none. Also when a suspect asks for a lawyer you cannot say: murder is murder so you go to jail. you give the suspect a lawyer. Only when you tried several times but you cannot get a lawyer, you can go on with the investigation. But you never showed any sign of arranging me a lawyer..

and by the way, there was no reaction time left between him standing in my spray and him being dead, he had only like one percent life left. Also i would like to say that even if i had a reaction time, if i stopped spraying the fire would go on again and we would have both been dead by the fire.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 23, 2012, 20:42:31 pm: police doesn't work for IF some thing happenned at the end you KILLED him . not IF and IF happenned . you asked about your lawyer once . i forgot i don't have time to investigate you all the day .if you didn't like the investigation not my propblem i gave you your investigation and you explained what happenned and i saw that you were wrong . Done
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 23, 2012, 21:30:15 pm: Quote from: Saif_Collin on December 23, 2012, 20:42:31 pm
you asked about your lawyer once
The screenshots proof you wrong.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 23, 2012, 21:45:37 pm: this wasn't a very huge case to get your lawyer

ps:i didn't know that attorney means lawyer.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 24, 2012, 16:00:30 pm: Quote from: Saif_Collin on December 23, 2012, 21:45:37 pm
this wasn't a very huge case to get your lawyer

ps:i didn't know that attorney means lawyer.

ouch, good luck with your cadet academy.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 24, 2012, 21:21:19 pm: thanks ;) . Don't provoke watch your words and Respect your self if you can do that. this is not a Huge Case to have your lawyer oh and tell me who is your lawyer name. you killed you have no clue that he was on your way . even if he was on your way you can stop spraying . then i see that you are Wrong,though that i am not working by IF that happenned sentences .

Regards,
Saif.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Perfect on December 24, 2012, 21:59:22 pm: Post removed, you are not involved in this case there for not allowed to post on this topic.
Reference: Report to leader RULES (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=23755.0)

- Trane
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 25, 2012, 10:01:08 am: Quote from: Saif_Collin on December 24, 2012, 21:21:19 pm
thanks ;) . Don't provoke watch your words and Respect your self if you can do that.
What are you trying to do with saying this?
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this is not a Huge Case to have your lawyer oh and tell me who is your lawyer name.
As stated in the miranda rights, you needed to appoint me an attorney, the size of the case doesn't matter.
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you killed you have no clue that he was on your way . even if he was on your way you can stop spraying . then i see that you are Wrong,though that i am not working by IF that happenned sentences .
Regards,
Saif.
There was no reaction time left between him stepping in my spray and him getting killed, it all happened in a split second. I didn't have the chance stopping with spraying.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 25, 2012, 13:46:04 pm: also not my problem that there was no time left , What is your lawyer name?
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on December 25, 2012, 14:27:36 pm: :app:
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Perfect on December 25, 2012, 16:50:32 pm: Post removed, you are not involved in this case there for not allowed to post on this topic.
Reference: Report to leader RULES (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=23755.0)

- Trane
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Saif Rosso on December 25, 2012, 20:36:18 pm: i won't comment about this clap.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on December 31, 2012, 18:21:10 pm: Saif // Fais is removed from the SAPD. Do you wish to continue your report and direct it towards the ARPD Officers' reporting section?
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on January 01, 2013, 09:20:49 am: I wish to continue, for that i want 2500$ for compensation.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: [Rstar]Paul on January 01, 2013, 09:37:05 am: Don't see anywhere in the reporting rules that you can fine officers.
This is not a court case.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Omar Aly on January 06, 2013, 13:35:13 pm: I'll be taking over this report.

Note: As Chief Paul stated, our job is not to fillfull your demands, for that you can later open a court case against him, our job is to investgate to see of officer is guilty and if so we make sure he gets punished and learns his lesson.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: BraadPan on January 07, 2013, 19:41:25 pm: It's very simple. i would like to have that 2500$ compensation. I need to report him here before i can take it to civil court.
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Omar Aly on January 07, 2013, 20:27:17 pm: We don't pay compensations you'll get it from the officer if your case is valid in court. But this section is to report officers for breaking rules and regulations while on duty, not to ask for money. It's really simple too...
Title: Re: Officer Fais - not giving a proper investigation.
Post by: Omar Aly on January 09, 2013, 17:57:21 pm: (http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/7318/patchwithcuffs2300.png)
San Andreas Police Department
09/1/2013

STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On the 22nd of December, 2012, at 19:12 HOURS a report was submitted by Braad Pan as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.
Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
- Chief Paul Hernandez
- Sergeant Omar Aly

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

-- Officer didn't give the reporter an investgation, with the reason that his crime is murder and that this crime shall not receive an investgation.
-- Officer failed to give the reporter his basic civil rights.

-- In conclusion, ARPD Officer Saif got warned about his actions, and reporter may now sue him in civil court for failing to provide civil rights..

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to me to a Deputy Chief via an ARPD Forum PM and we might reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.

Signed,
Sergeant Omar Aly