Suspect evading (Without shots fired) on foot - Suspect must be warned that if they do not yield, they will be fired upon. If they fail to heed the warning, then permission to open fire is granted (Standard duty equipment only)Suspect was warned before we opened fire.
Why am i even in the report? I'm a SAPD Cadet, i have no authority over him and there is nothing i can do.
In any case, what i said is pretty much true. Frank Hawk had his gun equiped and kept brandishing it, which officer Scotto could have taken as an assault attempt.
In any case as i said, i should not be in this report as i am not part of the command staff and i cannot copban or punish the officer in any other way
By "oh well" i expressed my dissapointment. Please show me where i cant say "oh well".
Also, if you want to get the guy copbanned, report him. I dont understand why everyone contacts me when somoene does something. I'm a cadet, i cant do anything about it
Being Near a Offence or not doing anything to stop a rouge officer is not a Breach of the ARPD Regulations, the two SAPD members may have not seen exactly what happened etc and hence cannot act upon it.
You have reported max for refusing to admit something, how can he admit something that he may have not see all of or is simply not sure, Capt Mason also simply claims the Suspect was handled correctly thats all he did.
Your report should be focused against the officer committing a rule break not against the people who where near the incident. I suggest you drop any complaint towards two people that i feel where simply witness's
Suspect called Frank Hawk or whatever was just at the white line when he opened fire with his firearm, he got suspected for it and straight away after suspection he ran towards the bunch of people as he always does. Officer Lily took out also a firearm and neutralized the suspect as he was attempting to escape, I cant see a reason whats the issue ?QuoteSuspect evading (Without shots fired) on foot - Suspect must be warned that if they do not yield, they will be fired upon. If they fail to heed the warning, then permission to open fire is granted (Standard duty equipment only)Suspect was warned before we opened fire.
Yes I am claiming that he was escaping because I saw so, you cannot make me say otherwise because thats what I saw and in my opinion everything was alright. Suspect was guilty as he pulled out a firearm and shot with it in public, 2 other officers witnessed it. The suspect had enough time to surrender but instead of that he decided to evade.
And yes, I do not understand why are witnesses guilty in this offence as we did not shoot a single shot towards the person ? Perhaps you should've reported the citizens too for being witnesses then.
I have nothing else to add because this is already ridiculous.
The suspect had a gun in his hands brandishing it and aiming it all over the place. Thats a reason valid enough to open fire.
In any case, i can say whatever i want, it's still not a reason to add me to the report. I'm a SAPD Cadet and i have nothing to do with this, as i cannot punish the guy. You can report me for not admitting a mistake of some ARPD officer who shot Frank
You say he's lying but still claiming he had weapon in his hand. I belive cadet expressed himself wrong by saying aiming all over the place, despite that yes, I suspected him for a valid crime, having a gun in public area and using it for no valid reason. I dont see my guilt in it.
You keep saying that I could not see him evading..like who are you ? You sound like a master of mine telling me who do I saw and whom not. What did I see was him heading towards the bunch of people around and I took at as evading. I cannot confirm whether this was caused by lag or not You keep claiming he was not evading but do you have any evidence about it ? You havent provided any. Suspect was given enough time to request investigation but he clearly did not say that he needs one, If you want an investigation you must comply with officers straight away.
If you dont have any evidence then dont try to tell us that he did not do this or that. Its your opinion.
Once again i repeat that you cannot report me for denying someones guilt. Show me exactly which ARPD regulation i have broke. Exactly - none.
Besides, i know what i saw. He had a gun in his hand and was aiming. Now if you have evidence to prove otherwise, fine, if not, i dont see why this report is still here.
Something i found in my screenshots. It was taken a good minute before things went fubar
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4836/samp038cw.png)
The picture above shows the gun equipped. He was told to holster the gun many times but has not. Afterwards he started brandishing it and moving around like he always does which caused him to be shot.
Also, i have never said that i agree to the methods ARPD Officer Scotto has used. I have only cleared it out that our hands are tied because the suspect was threatening him with a weapon. It could have been prevented with simply using a pepper spray, ofcourse, but he did not do it. And even if we were able to do anything, why am i still in this report? I am a SAPD Cadet, i dont get to copban officers.
Now instead of wasting both yours and our time, you should report that officer who shot him instead.
Frank Hawk had his gun equiped and kept brandishing it which officer Scotto could have taken as an assault attempt."kept brandishing it". I was just amused how Mr. Max can lie just like that...
after suspection he ran towards the bunch of people as he always doesAfter suspection, he ran towards the bunch of people. Right.
Officer Lily took out also a firearm and neutralized the suspect as he was attempting to escape"attempting to escape". Clearly a big fat lie.
Yes I am claiming that he was escaping because I saw soSir, with all due respect, if you can't even differentiate between a player standing still, and a player evading, I honestly don't think you deserve the Captain rank.
The suspect had enough time to surrender but instead of that he decided to evade.As seen in the evidence, he did not evade. He tried to explain it was an accident.
Besides, i know what i saw. He had a gun in his hand and was aimingRight.
I really doubt If it all would've been done within 20 seconds so get your facts straight.I'm sorry. It was 21 seconds. I sincerely hope you understand that your own facts aren't straight.
suspect was given enough time to surrender and he decided not to use it and he started running towards the bunch of people.Suspect was given 21 seconds. During that time he was standing still, and simply walked towards his friend. During this time he tried to explain it was an accident.
The picture above shows the gun equipped. He was told to holster the gun many times but has not. Afterwards he started brandishing it and moving around like he always does which caused him to be shot.Okay.
| DATE: TIME: LOCATION: | 16/03/2013 7:10PM CET Los Santos |
DATE:
TIME:
LOCATION:16/03/2013
7:10PM CET
Los Santos
Dear prosecutors and defendants,
As a result of my Law Research, Andrew Mason did not break any regulations written in the SAPD procedures and regulations, nor did Max_Adams. Although a disciplinary punishment from Andrew Mason towards the ARPD officer would have been suitable, as the procedures (and server rules) were broken during this arrest.
I'm not fully involved in this, but I have a question: why did Andrew Mason refuse to punish the officer, responsible for the kill. He must have seen it, was it because they were in a patrol together and hoped no-one else saw it? If so, it would be disappointing as a SAPD Command Staff member should be able to be 'neutral' and punish these violations.
Signed,
Ryder Scanlon
Law Enforcement Scientist
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4836/samp038cw.png)Frank Hawk had his gun equiped and kept brandishing it which officer Scotto could have taken as an assault attempt."kept brandishing it". I was just amused how Mr. Max can lie just like that...
You mentioned, that he was warned multiple times and he was aiming the gun. Also that he was shot while he was 'evading'.
The evidence clearly showed you lied.
That's what this all is about now.
I'll make the breaking of regulations clear. For both Andrew and Max.
1) Suspecting for an invalid reason. (Only for Andrew)
2) Failing to investiage what had happened.
3) Refusing to talk to the suspect when he tried to explain.
4) indirectly causing the death of the suspect. If you had talked to him, the free cop wouldn't have shot.
5) Unprofessional behavior. You look like you came to kill orange dots instead of protecting and serving.
6) Lying about the incident.
7) Risking lives by provoking a group which vpuld have caused a Code 30.
There may be no exact rules defining this, but this sure was unacceptable.
This incident could have easily provoked a massive code 30. Mr. Andrew should know that it is not allowed. Free cops are punished if they directly suspect a big group, threatening them, knowing that they will retaliate. This situation could have easily resulted in a big Code 30 resulting in deaths of other officers and civilians at idlwood.
Not to mention the crime was invalid as it was a misclick, but they apparently did not care about that.
2) Failing to investiage what had happened.
3) Refusing to talk to the suspect when he tried to explain.
4) indirectly causing the death of the suspect. If you had talked to him, the free cop wouldn't have shot.
5) Unprofessional behavior. You look like you came to kill orange dots instead of protecting and serving.
6) Lying about the incident.
7) Risking lives by provoking a group which vpuld have caused a Code 30.
I myself am a freecop and have nothing against them. ARPD is just a fancy term for them.
Mr. Andrew and Max, you both are respected members of SAPD with ranks achievable by only a few
I respect you both and have nothing against you. However I am against your actions on that day.
As this report continues, you will come up with more explanations and excuses. Lets be very clear. What you did was clearly wrong. The video explains it fully.
Can you just answer this 1 question in a simple sentence and not a long derailing paragraph?
Why did you both initially lie in this report?
Don't say no. Because its very clear that you did. You guys came up with his evading and aiming of his gun and whatever.
I myself am a freecop and have nothing against them. ARPD is just a fancy term for them.
Mr. Andrew and Max, you both are respected members of SAPD with ranks achievable by only a few
I respect you both and have nothing against you. However I am against your actions on that day.
As this report continues, you will come up with more explanations and excuses. Lets be very clear. What you did was clearly wrong. The video explains it fully.
Can you just answer this 1 question in a simple sentence and not a long derailing paragraph?
Why did you both initially lie in this report?
Don't say no. Because its very clear that you did. You guys came up with his evading and aiming of his gun and whatever.
Oh cmon. I told you a whole list of accusations you both committed.
We're just going in circles with the argument now. I suppose we should wait for a decision. Peace.
why SAPD Captain Andrew Mason and SAPD Cadet (at the time) Max Adams not discipline the ARPD Officer at all for an obvious break in procedure (as well as server rule).
In addition, I will ask why none of the officers on scene tried to tell the suspect to surrender and/or put his gun down at all after the initial call out by Captain Mason. This however, can be attributed to a lack of hands free communication and it is common for officers to aim a little while before it is established who is the one lowering their weapon to speak.
The two major accusations, have been proved valid then.
That both these officers did not question or punish Lily for what happened. After that they protected him by lying in this report. From my point of view, I see this as corruption.
So yes, the freecop will be punished.
What would the pu. shment be for neglecting their duty? Failing to question or punish that guy?
Also instead of taking the lying personally, it should be open. I suggest you take whatever action you seem fair, in this report. They have committed corruption to some extent.
It is common that accomplice on murder is charged with murder in some laws. Whereas in others the punishment is lower, but still persists. Similarly protecting an officer for his wrongdoing by lying in the report should be handled similarly.
Lying doesn't show you as a great person though, does it? As an SAPD member, you should not lay down false information, you should speak nothing but the truth. You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking otherwise. Do you think people will trust you?
You're not supposed to post here, as per report rules you're not allowed to.
And i never admitted i have lied, i have only stated that it is not against ARPD procedures. I only said what i recall i saw because i havent paid attention to that situation at all.
First off. This report was created shortly after the incident and it doesn't take a genius to remember it.
Secondly, I provided screenshots and once you saw them, you recalled the situation
Everyone would.
Lastly, if you really could not remember the incident at all, why didn't you say so?
So you're saying that you did lie. You did not remember anything, but you still made up the evading and aiming the gun everywhere, and placed it neatly in this report, thinking I had no evidence?
Dear Sushi, this should be clear. They knew I cannot counteract their claims of evading and aiming by the screenshots I had posted. They wanted the report to be closed for lack of evidence as I would not be able to prove that frank was standing still. That's the reason they made up the stories. They provided false information for god knows what reason. But the motive of hiding the true nature of the incident, and protecting a free cop who clearly broke rules is crystal clear.
Stop making up regulations. Lying is NOT against any ARPD regulation, noir is being a witness. I was a SAPD Cadet which means i had no authority over that ARPD Officer, i also had a SAPD Captain with me so i was under his command
Something i found in my screenshots. It was taken a good minute before things went fubarWhere you clearly implied, the situation took at least 60 seconds.
everything happened quite fast and i was not really paying attention to the details.
Details might mismatchDetails might mismatch? Your entire story, entire story, was 100% different. And there's no might. If you're unsure of this, just read the entire report from page 1.
i was not really paying attention to the details. I do not remember everything that has happened.Max. I'm sure everyone would agree that it does not take a genius nor a keen detail observation to differentiate between a person aiming a gun, and evading, and a person who is simply standing still.