Argonath RPG Police Department
GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: Janar on March 10, 2013, 15:36:21 pm
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Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators:
1. ARPD Officer Kurt Navarro
Officer Kurt Navarro is hereby being reported for 'suspect stealing', which is declared as 'Jailing suspect, which was taken in custody by another officer, in order to receive the reward by himself'.
Full detailed report
Me, Sheriff Janar, was on patrol in Los Santos, Idlewood, with ARPD officers ZeniX and Hernesto.
We pulled over a civilian in a Bullet (vehicle). Civilian, named [FA]Rotraarventje (further 'suspect'), refused to pull over and failed to follow our given orders. He drove off.
After chasing him for a while, the suspect could not handle his vehicle in Bone County offroad areas near Octane Springs. Suspect's vehicle caught fire and he had no other choice than to surrender (/gu).
We were the first unit to arrive on the scene. Officer ZeniX exited the vehicle in order to cuff the suspect, place him under custody and place him inside the PD car.
However, before he was able to cuff the suspect, Officer Kurt Navarro, who had also arrived on the scene, has used /cuff command to cuff the suspect. The suspect immediately entered our vehicle.
Officer ZeniX entered our vehicle aswell. We then proceeded to Las Venturas Police Department (further 'LVPD').
Officer ZeniX and I proceeded to take the suspect inside. Kurt Navarro came inside aswell, evidence #1. After following us for a while, he ran to the jails area and waited us there, evidence #2.
When me, officer ZeniX and the suspect walked up to the cells, officer Kurt Navarro immediately used /jail to jail the suspect for 2 years (120 seconds), evidence #3.
After that, the officer left the PD, without the possibility to investigate this event further.
Officer has been sent a private message and he is aware of this report, evidence #4.
Evidence
a. Pictures..
Evidence #1 - http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-117_zps0a86725b.png (http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-117_zps0a86725b.png)
Evidence #2 - http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-118_zps25c85068.png (http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-118_zps25c85068.png)
Evidence #3 - http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-119_zpsf84bc3dc.png (http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-119_zpsf84bc3dc.png)
Evidence #4 - http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-120_zps1d80c33e.png (http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/sa-mp-120_zps1d80c33e.png)
b. Other evidence..
Statements are expected from the following people:
ARPD officer ZeniX
ARPD officer Hernesto
Date:
Sunday, 10th March 2013
Time:
14:34 CET
Civillian(s) involved:
The suspect, named [FA]Rotraarventje
Signed,
Sheriff / Senior Officer Janar
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I can confirm this happening, and Kurt did indeed deliberately steal the jail from Janar.
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Yes, it happend in front of my eyes. Officer Kurt stole our suspect.
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I'll be handling this case, please ask the officer to post his side of the story here
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To SAPD Command Staff
Witnesses, which are ARPD officers ZeniX and Hernesto, have given their statements.
Officer Kurt Navarro has been informed of this report once again and he is aware of this. Statement shall be expected from him/her.
Evidence #5
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/JanarJJ/Report_zpse2e06e6b.jpg)
Sheriff / Senior Officer Janar
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Hello there, I am officer Kurt Navarro.
Firstly, I want to point out how the events were in my side of view. I was on LV-LS highway on a Buffallo. I have seen the suspects runing with a high speed Jester, and I decided to follow him, there was no police cruiser behind him, in this case officer Janar's pc. I followed alone the suspects until the octane springs, rammed him twice and almost blown his car. I continued to follow him and meanwhile Janar's pc had appeared and the had been following the suspect too. I though they just came for the aid, having no contact with the suspect. In the end, the car that the suspect had blown and I proceeded to cuff the suspect. For some reason the suspect didn't joined me in my car and he moved into the Janar's pc, just to annoy me as he was going to escape if I wouldn't followed him. I revolted to his actions and I followed the Janar's pc until LVPD. There I jailed the suspect as I though that I was the one who deserved to receive a reward.
Secondly, as I saw from officer Janar report, some important scenes were blown away and he pointed out only what it was in their favour.Also the sentence "We were the first unit to arrive on the scene" is a lie. There was no mention that at a point they lost the suspect and they were far behind him and they could have lost him. If I wasn't there the suspect probably would have escaped. That it's the main idea on which I am focusing to defend myself. Also the other police officers who were in Janar's car can be subjective and I think they should be considered as witnesses, there was no any other officer to witness the event and hereby I can say that there are no normal witnesses to the scene.
Lastly, they could have just talked to me about the situation and to reach an agreement, as I think that both of the parties were involved in the suspection and the cought of the suspect. They suspected and I had a decesive action towards the suspect. But no, officer Janar just gave orders of me to leave, didn't wanted to speak with me as I think he was in a hurry, but rushing things can affect the way in which a situation is handled. He didn't saw any of my apport in catching the suspect. I didn't agreed with the fact and because lack of communication I actioned in my favour. Also, after the jailing was done, I tryed to sort out the situation via PM with officer Janar, but he refused to comply and talk with me, he was again in a rush.He prefered to appeal to bureaucracy instead of resolving things at the moment, without so much complication.
I would have been glad to share the reward in half with the others, and I still would be as a solution to this case.
Regards,
Officer Navarro.
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Firstly, I want to point out how the events were in my side of view. I was on LV-LS highway on a Buffallo. I have seen the suspects runing with a high speed Jester, and I decided to follow him, there was no police cruiser behind him, in this case officer Janar's pc. I followed alone the suspects until the octane springs, rammed him twice and almost blown his car. I continued to follow him and meanwhile Janar's pc had appeared and the had been following the suspect too. I though they just came for the aid, having no contact with the suspect. In the end, the car that the suspect had blown and I proceeded to cuff the suspect. For some reason the suspect didn't joined me in my car and he moved into the Janar's pc, just to annoy me as he was going to escape if I wouldn't followed him. I revolted to his actions and I followed the Janar's pc until LVPD. There I jailed the suspect as I though that I was the one who deserved to receive a reward.
Officer ZeniX was the first officer to approach the suspect to cuff him. He went behind him and began RP cuff first (/me), at the same time you just wrote /cuff, while still being away from the suspect. At that point, suspect immediately started moving towards our vehicle.
Secondly, as I saw from officer Janar report, some important scenes were blown away and he pointed out only what it was in their favour. There was no mention that at a point they lost the suspect and they were far behind him and they could have lost him. If I wasn't there the suspect probably would have escaped. That it's the main idea on which I am focusing to defend myself. Also the other police officers who were in Janar's car can be subjective and I think they should be considered as witnesses, there was no any other officer to witness the event and hereby I can say that there are no normal witnesses to the scene.
Please, show me the scenes which were left out then. I have posted all the information, that occurred during this pursuit.
We were behind him all the time, however at a certain moment, we didn't have radar contact, we had to repair our vehicle, if I recall correct. After a small amount of time, we found him again, which was about a minute before the suspect blew up his vehicle. Suspect could not have escaped during that short time.
Lastly, they could have just talked to me about the situation and to reach an agreement, as I think that both of the parties were involved in the suspection and the cought of the suspect. They suspected and I had a decesive action towards the suspect. But no, officer Janar just gave orders of me to leave, didn't wanted to speak with me as I think he was in a hurry, but rushing things can affect the way in which a situation is handled. He didn't saw any of my apport in catching the suspect. I didn't agreed with the fact and because lack of communication I actioned in my favour.
I informed you, that we had the situation under control and no more officers were required there. You kept following us and ran up to the cells, jailing the suspect without any RP involved.
Attempt was made to talk about this with you after you jailed him, however you immediately exited the building and drove away.
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You are putting again the information in a subjective way instead of telling the truth.
"We were behind him all the time, however at a certain moment, we didn't have radar contact, we had to repair our vehicle, if I recall correct. After a small amount of time, we found him again, which was about a minute before the suspect blew up his vehicle. Suspect could not have escaped during that short time."
You are denying my apport in catching the criminal. As I said the my first contact with the suspect was at LV-LS highway and until Octane Springs I didn't saw your PC. You say you stopped to respray your car, I suppose that was at Temple, while the suspect was proceeding to the highway. Jester had with 2km/h higher speed than a normal PC. In my opinion, it would have been impossible to catch the visual with the suspect without my interferring by ramming him and making him to slow down. So, to conclude, he would have escaped without my apport.
"I informed you, that we had the situation under control and no more officers were required there. You kept following us and ran up to the cells, jailing the suspect without any RP involved.
Attempt was made to talk about this with you after you jailed him, however you immediately exited the building and drove away."
With that information I felt that the criminal was stolen from me, you denyed my work to catch the suspect.Also that was the reason of jailing the suspect without any RP involved. And no, you didn't wanted to talk about this, you just informed me that you will make a report on me on the arpd forum and when I told you something related to the case you told me to stop PMing you and to keep my words for the report.
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From the evidence, all i can see is you jailing what appears to be another officers suspect. If you want me to believe that he was your suspect originally i will need valid evidence otherwise i will act upon the statements and evidence i have at my disposal
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From the evidence, all i can see is you jailing what appears to be another officers suspect. If you want me to believe that he was your suspect originally i will need valid evidence otherwise i will act upon the statements and evidence i have at my disposal
The evidence posted here has not any relevance. I mean, I can say from that evidence posted here that they attempted to steal my suspect and I done the things as fast as I could to prevent that. Just because Janar made the screenshots doesn't prove that the suspect was theirs or because it was cuffed by other officer. It depends on how the pursuit gone.
Officer Janar doesn't have and I neither evidence during the pursuit of the suspect."
Also I think you didn't read the whole case and you seem to ignore my words such as "I would have been glad to share the reward in half with the others, and I still would be as a solution to this case.". Because if you had read my words during this case you would have known better the situation. Well, you might not care about words only about evidence, but the evidence as I said is irrelevant.
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if you were to draw that conclusion from the evidenc provided your not looking at the whole picutre, Please remember that the pictures are not my only evidence
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if you were to draw that conclusion from the evidenc provided your not looking at the whole picutre, Please remember that the pictures are not my only evidence
Pictures are not your only evidence you say... then I presume you trust the explications I guess. But I think you read only Janar's words and kinda ignored mine. I draw that conclusion from your reply to my explications.
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Conclusion in the Next 24hrs
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Conclusion in the Next 24hrs
Waiting for the result.
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With the current evidence and statements availible i cannot ensure justice is correctly served, i ask that next time the defendant provides evidence to support his statement.
In conclusion i cannot determine wether the suspect rightfully belonged to Janar or kurt, should a incident like this occur again i ask that both parties communicate with each other and explain that you may have been the original officer dealing with the suspect.
No Further Action Taken, Case Closed