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Title: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Corey on August 31, 2013, 14:37:41 pm
Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators:


1. Wesley_Perry / 2. =AV=JackBauer - As me(Driver) and Dwight_Cems(Passenger) were in a car parked in Palomino Creek, Officer Wesley_Perry approaches us and asks to search the passenger for no any reason. We told him that he needs a warrant for such a thing, then he gave us two options either to step outside and do it the easy way, or he'll get the warrant and use the hard way. We denied his request until a warrant is shown.

After that he shouts at me to step outside as he aims his gun toward me ( I was completely unarmed ). After that I obey his demand, I ask him to lower his gun since there was no use for it. He ignored me and asked me to face the ground. Now the moment I deny it, Officer =AV=JackBauer rushes in and jumps on me with his nitestick constantly hitting me ( I wasn't suspected at the moment ). After a couple of seconds I got suspected for "ignoring orders". After that I've been suspected, I had no option whatsoever, I kept on being beaten by the two officers with their stick until I fainted away. I later heard they also used lethal forced on my friend Dwight_Cems.

 a.
(http://i.imgur.com/xjlCOEM.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/OW4N1J2.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/cjucI70.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/MoCSGN5.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/mCMWPbv.jpg?1)

 b. Two witnesses - Dwight_Cems and Bas_Hall

Date: Friday - 8/31/2013
Time: 15:10 CET. (Around that)

Civillian(s) involved: Mike_Franklin (Myself) - Dwight_Cems.

Signed
Mike Franklin
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on August 31, 2013, 15:27:10 pm
Wesley_Perry asked you multiple times to get on the ground, you didn´t obey so I tried it with little force(nitestick), then you got suspected and I contineud to beat you since you still did not obey.
I never shot you, nor did I shoot anyone else at that current moment, I was simply responding to a C3/C30.
Quote
[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.


Oh and hey, nice offending.
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[14:11:41] Dwight_Cems(85) says: You must be brain dead.
[14:12:03] <Mike_Franklin> (28) I thought =AV= meant that you have to be a "veteran".

Kthnxbai
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Corey on August 31, 2013, 15:37:30 pm
Wesley_Perry asked you multiple times to get on the ground, you didn´t obey so I tried it with little force(nitestick), then you got suspected and I contineud to beat you since you still did not obey.
I never shot you, nor did I shoot anyone else at that current moment, I was simply responding to a C3/C30.
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[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.
He aimed a gun at an unarmed-civilian.
- He asked me once to get on the floor, the second I denied you rushed in.
- I never said you shot at us, where did you get that from? All I mentioned was that, Wesley aimed at us.
- And I wonder how did Dwight got hurt, I'll be calling him in plus the witness.


I contineud to beat you since you still did not obey.
You never stopped beating me, both of you. You just went for it without a stop until I fainted.

Quote
[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.

Quote
Code 30: Officer in danger, needs assistance (do not use this code for normal back up request)
When the officer requested it, we were still inside the car simply asking for a warrant.

When you arrived to the scene, you saw me standing still with him aiming at me. You just got pumped and started hitting me over, and over...

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Kthnxbai
.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jason J. Dilworth on August 31, 2013, 15:40:11 pm
We were parking outside of a house, when Wesley Perry came to us and said that he randomly needs to check myself (Dwight Cems). I said that I wouldn't leave the car unless he had a warrant for my arrest/frisk. He then took his gun out and started to aim my driver. (Mike Franklin). Mike got out of the car, unarmed, just stood there. Then they started to beat him with his nightsticks and suspected him. They killed an unarmed, not even moving or resisting civillian. Then I got out, impressed of what just had happened. They then started to aim at me, and I told them that it's going to court, and walked away. Then I got shot behind my back as I was walking to another witness Bas Hall. I got suspected and murdered. These "police officers" clearly violated their rights and used excessive force. Also violated the Argonath constitution.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on August 31, 2013, 15:47:41 pm
Wesley_Perry asked you multiple times to get on the ground, you didn´t obey so I tried it with little force(nitestick), then you got suspected and I contineud to beat you since you still did not obey.
I never shot you, nor did I shoot anyone else at that current moment, I was simply responding to a C3/C30.
Quote
[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.
He aimed a gun at an unarmed-civilian.
- He asked me once to get on the floor, the second I denied you rushed in.
- I never said you shot at us, where did you get that from? All I mentioned was that, Wesley aimed at us.
- And I wonder how did Dwight got hurt, I'll be calling him in plus the witness.


Bit much to sue me just for some batton hits, that's why I'm mentioning the shooting.

I contineud to beat you since you still did not obey.
You never stopped beating me, both of you. You just went for it without a stop until I fainted.


I said I contineud, where'd you get the idea from that I said that I stopped.

Quote
[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.


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Code 30: Officer in danger, needs assistance (do not use this code for normal back up request)
When the officer requested it, we were still inside the car simply asking for a warrant.

When you arrived to the scene, you saw me standing still with him aiming at me. You just got pumped and started hitting me over, and over...

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I saw him aiming, so I started aiming as well.
He claimed that it was C3/C30 so I take his word for it.
He asked you to get down, you didn't, I jumped in to force you down.
Kthnxbai
.

Kthnxbai
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on August 31, 2013, 15:50:39 pm
We were parking outside of a house, when Wesley Perry came to us and said that he randomly needs to check myself (Dwight Cems). I said that I wouldn't leave the car unless he had a warrant for my arrest/frisk. He then took his gun out and started to aim my driver. (Mike Franklin). Mike got out of the car, unarmed, just stood there. Then they started to beat him with his nightsticks and suspected him. They killed an unarmed, not even moving or resisting civillian. Then I got out, impressed of what just had happened. They then started to aim at me, and I told them that it's going to court, and walked away. Then I got shot behind my back as I was walking to another witness Bas Hall. I got suspected and murdered. These "police officers" clearly violated their rights and used excessive force. Also violated the Argonath constitution.

He did NOT get down, that IS resisting. Nor did he make any attempts to surrender.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Corey on August 31, 2013, 15:55:21 pm
Wesley_Perry asked you multiple times to get on the ground, you didn´t obey so I tried it with little force(nitestick), then you got suspected and I contineud to beat you since you still did not obey.
I never shot you, nor did I shoot anyone else at that current moment, I was simply responding to a C3/C30.
Quote
[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.
He aimed a gun at an unarmed-civilian.
- He asked me once to get on the floor, the second I denied you rushed in.
- I never said you shot at us, where did you get that from? All I mentioned was that, Wesley aimed at us.
- And I wonder how did Dwight got hurt, I'll be calling him in plus the witness.


Bit much to sue me just for some batton hits, that's why I'm mentioning the shooting.
.

Oh no trust me, that's enough.
Oh and one of you shot an unarmed civilian as he was walking ( Dwight_Cems ).

He did NOT get down, that IS resisting. Nor did he make any attempts to surrender.

I said I contineud, where'd you get the idea from that I said that I stopped.

Leaving me no chance whatsoever to get down or to surrender, thank you for clearing that out.

I saw him aiming, so I started aiming as well.
He asked you to get down, you didn't, I jumped in to force you down.
Yeah you kept beating an innocent, not to mention unarmed civilian without stopping. You joined in and made it even worse.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on August 31, 2013, 15:56:36 pm
I'm Sergeant Thomas 'Leroy' Crof and I'll be taking on the investigation into this case.

If any of the parties have more evidence or witnesses, please provide them at your earliest convenience so that I can start looking through it.

During this time, however, I will not allow any flaming, provoking or disrespecting from neither of the parties. If the reporter provokes, I will consider closing this report without a proper investigation. If the reported officer(s) provoke, it will reflect negatively on them and punishment will be much worse.


On a sidenote:
Officers do not need a warrant to frisk someone, nor to search someone's vehicle. All they need is reasonable doubt. If someone in a purple suit was seen near a heroin spot, then anyone that has a purple suit is susceptible to being searched. (Please note that I'm not saying this is the case, merely pointing out an example!)

Having said that, I now have a couple of questions that require answering:
1) What was the reason to frisk the man?
2) Was Dwight Cems walking or running away?
3) Why did the officers open fire on Dwight Cems as he walked away?
4) Was Dwight Cems warned to stop or told not to leave, before fire was opened?
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on August 31, 2013, 17:56:35 pm
1) What was the reason to frisk the man?
2) Was Dwight Cems walking or running away?
3) Why did the officers open fire on Dwight Cems as he walked away?
4) Was Dwight Cems warned to stop or told not to leave, before fire was opened?

1) I did not request a frisk, the other officer in question did.
Therefor I do not know the reason.

2) Dwight Cems was standing idle, ignoring our requests/orders.
Eventually he walked and ran away.

3) I did not fire uppon anyone, the other officer in question did.

4) I do not recall.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Corey on August 31, 2013, 18:08:08 pm

1) I did not request a frisk, the other officer in question did.
Therefor I do not know the reason.

2) Dwight Cems was standing idle, ignoring our requests/orders.
Eventually he walked and ran away.

3) I did not fire uppon anyone, the other officer in question did.

4) I do not recall.

He never ran, he kept walking away.
Standing still does not necessarily mean the person is not co-operating. Maybe he's demanding to know why is he in such a situation

See, maybe if you both give reasons, the people you're stopping might make it easier for you.

After all, nobody's a robot. Therefore if you, suddenly out of nowhere show up and ask a guy to get out of his vehicle shouting and aiming a gun at him without even explaining to him what the hell is going on, you'll find a really hard time with such a career.

But again you didn't do all these stuff, but you supported it by joining in, unaware of the whole situation just beating up an unarmed standing still civilian ( who later on got "suspected" as he remained standing still ) not even just -once- for a warning, but constantly non-stop until he died. Oh and when arriving to the scene, you didn't even find the life of your fellow officer in danger ( he did call C30 ), therefore you could of took the chance and ask what's going on.

Oh and I think an officer is not allowed to aim his gun at a citizen whatsoever, unless his life or the life of his partner is in danger. ( Which was never the case here )
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on August 31, 2013, 18:34:03 pm
Look, I was just acting as I was supposed to, the officer called C30. From a distance I approached the car whiel wielding my gun.
I can not see if the officer is actually in danger or not from such a distance, you might as well be pointing a gun at him from inside the car.
And I did not use excess force.

From now I will only be answering questions from the investigating official.


Oh and next to that, if you want an apology then you can have it, if that makes this case against me go away.
I want to play the game, not discuss wether somebody did something wrong or not.
In my opinion I did not break any rules.
In my opinion it was the other officer that actually did break some rules.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Corey on August 31, 2013, 18:40:15 pm
Look, I was just acting as I was supposed to, the officer called C30. From a distance I approached the car whiel wielding my gun.
I can not see if the officer is actually in danger or not from such a distance, you might as well be pointing a gun at him from inside the car.

Funny thing is I wasn't even inside the car, and the police officer had his gun aimed at me the whole time as I was standing still...
You ran in hitting me with the nitestick, I'm sure when you got closer you saw the whole situation and how your fellow officer was in no danger, but you still hit me anyway.

And I did not use excess force.

Well

I said I contineud, where'd you get the idea from that I said that I stopped.

^ You kept beating me with your nitestick, what do you call that?... Until I freaking died.

From now I will only be answering questions from the investigating official.
I can't force you to reply to me, but I sure hope you read them.


Oh and next to that, if you want an apology then you can have it, if that makes this case against me go away.
I want to play the game, not discuss wether somebody did something wrong or not.
In my opinion I did not break any rules.
In my opinion it was the other officer that actually did break some rules.

I'm not mad at you whatsoever, yes I did let a sentence out in public which might of provoked you ( I was mad at first but then meh.. ).


Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 01, 2013, 11:44:53 am
Having said that, I now have a couple of questions that require answering:
1) What was the reason to frisk the man?
2) Was Dwight Cems walking or running away?
3) Why did the officers open fire on Dwight Cems as he walked away?
4) Was Dwight Cems warned to stop or told not to leave, before fire was opened?

I'd like these questions answered by Wesley Perry as soon as possible. If you see him in-game, please give him a headsup.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Bas on September 01, 2013, 16:30:52 pm
Hello i am witness Bas Hall and i'd like to add something to these events.

As both where killed by the two officers they then walked up to me demanding me to set my bike's engine off and get of the bike.
They then tried to force me into giving the pictures i took of the event occuring(Which can be seen above).
One of them tried to rob me from my press card(RPed).


-Bas Hall
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on September 02, 2013, 18:57:13 pm
Hello i am witness Bas Hall and i'd like to add something to these events.
As both where killed by the two officers they then walked up to me demanding me to set my bike's engine off and get of the bike.
They then tried to force me into giving the pictures i took of the event occuring(Which can be seen above).
One of them tried to rob me from my press card(RPed).
-Bas Hall
I did not kill anyone, it was the other officer in question who delivered the killing blow(s).

[14:12:48] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: Engine off and get off please
[14:15:21] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: I'd like you to get off
Is that what you call 'demanding'?

[14:16:07] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: We're going to need those photo's
#forcing

Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 02, 2013, 21:32:28 pm
As both where killed by the two officers they then walked up to me demanding me to set my bike's engine off and get of the bike.
They then tried to force me into giving the pictures i took of the event occuring(Which can be seen above).
One of them tried to rob me from my press card(RPed).
Do you have any evidence to enforce this statement? Chatlogs or screenshots preferably.


[14:12:48] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: Engine off and get off please
[14:15:21] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: I'd like you to get off
Is that what you call 'demanding'?

[14:16:07] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: We're going to need those photo's
Could you provide me the chatlogs from 14:12:00 til 14:20:00, unedited by forum PM or a post here, please?


Has anyone contacted Wesley_Perry yet?
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on September 03, 2013, 16:58:34 pm
Could you provide me the chatlogs from 14:12:00 til 14:20:00, unedited by forum PM or a post here, please?

Has anyone contacted Wesley_Perry yet?
I'll send them later this day.

No, I have not contacted him, nor have I seen him ingame.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 07, 2013, 16:41:45 pm
Could you provide me the chatlogs from 14:12:00 til 14:20:00, unedited by forum PM or a post here, please?

Has anyone contacted Wesley_Perry yet?
I'll send them later this day.
If I'm correct, you haven't supplied them yet.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Corey on September 08, 2013, 17:15:07 pm
I haven't seen Wesley_Perry yet, however when I do I will inform him about this right away.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Jack_Bauer on September 09, 2013, 15:43:58 pm
Could you provide me the chatlogs from 14:12:00 til 14:20:00, unedited by forum PM or a post here, please?

Has anyone contacted Wesley_Perry yet?
I'll send them later this day.
If I'm correct, you haven't supplied them yet.

Oops, I'll send 'em right away.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 09, 2013, 16:36:21 pm
As soon as I get a little bit of free time, I'll get to this report. We will continue without the statement by Wesley_Perry.
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 11, 2013, 22:35:34 pm
I'd like to make a couple of statements while I review the evidence and before I make the conclusive post.

1. Wesley_Perry / 2. =AV=JackBauer - As me(Driver) and Dwight_Cems(Passenger) were in a car parked in Palomino Creek, Officer Wesley_Perry approaches us and asks to search the passenger for no any reason. We told him that he needs a warrant for such a thing, then he gave us two options either to step outside and do it the easy way, or he'll get the warrant and use the hard way. We denied his request until a warrant is shown.
A police officer does not require a warrant to ask someone to step out of their vehicle. He must have probable cause/a good reason, and then the law allows him to ask such things or make such demands.

He aimed a gun at an unarmed-civilian.
Once again, if he had probable cause and you refused his orders, he was allowed to point a weapon at an unarmed civilian. As the officer called in code 30 (or 'Officer in danger') backup, there apparently was a reason for him to draw his weapon.

Officers may use less lethal force on suspects that fail to surrender. However, they must not use force against unarmed civilians (in case of armed civilians opening fire, officers may open fire without suspecting).

Standing still does not necessarily mean the person is not co-operating. Maybe he's demanding to know why is he in such a situation
In case you think you are abused, the golden rule is as follows:
/gu and ask for an investigation!
Unless the suspect has surrendered, less lethal force may be applied.




Before closing this case, I'd like to highlight some chatlogs.
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[14:09:31] Wesley_Perry(100): Police Radio: C3/C30 backup needed at pamelo creeck, Over.
[14:09:35] Dwight_Cems(85) slightly chuckles.
From the chatlogs provided by Jack_Bauer
This shows officer Jack Bauer were almost immediatly on scene after the code 30 was called. Because of this, officer Bauer had information about the situation and did not merely respond to a code 30 backup call.

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[14:22:46] =AV=JackBauer(55) says: You shot and killed 2 stillstanding suspects
From the chatlogs provided by Jack_Bauer
Title: Re: ARPD Report - =AV=JackBauer - Wesley_Perry
Post by: Thomas_Crof on September 11, 2013, 23:08:55 pm
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San Andreas Police Department
11/09/2013


STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On the August the 31st  2013, at 14:37 HOURS a report was submitted by Corey as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.
Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
- Sergeant Thomas 'Leroy' Crof

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

Decisive evidence: chatlogs (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/f0823d3976d70198b8a149273d7af13e20130911210534/279f1d9f3ef8a26484db3046bcb31dd020130911210534/b0dfe8).

-- ARPD Officer Wesley_Perry has been reported for the following:
-- ARPD Officer =AV=Jack_Bauer has been reported for the following:

-- In conclusion, the officers have respectively been found guilty of the following charges:
ARPD Officer Wesley_Perry:
Officer has not been found guilty of stealing a press pass nor unlawfully confiscating encriminating evidence.

ARPD Officer =AV=Jack_Bauer:
Officer has not been found guilty of stealing a press pass (it was returned after it was checked) nor unlawfully confiscating encriminating evidence.

-- Punishment will be as follows:
ARPD Officer Wesley_Perry: Copban of seven (7) days.
ARPD Officer =AV=Jack_Bauer: Copban for one (1) day.

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to a Deputy Chief via the ARPD Forum PM and we might reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.

Signed,
Sergeant Thomas Crof
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