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GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: albertlau128 on September 28, 2013, 13:53:26 pm

Title: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on September 28, 2013, 13:53:26 pm

Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators: [NP]Monte.Montague

1. [NP]Monte.Montague - Obstruction of Justice, Possibly Corruption, interfering with law enforcement as a LEO, Neglience of ARPD Officer duty

--Other evidence..
Chatlog:

Code: [Select]

[18:59:47] [NP]Monte.Montague(46): Emergency Radio: Fire Marshall 10-8, Over.
** I was at market patrolling, I saw a Fire Engine (Unit 34 and a passenger) reckless driving and driving at wrong side of the road near Market ammo and All Saints General Hospital**
[19:25:32] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts megaphone): This is the LAW ... PULLOVER to the side of the road!
[19:25:35] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts megaphone): This is the LAW ... PULLOVER to the side of the road!
[19:25:41] [M]Bascma.Alemdar(34) was suspected by officer Ronald_Rosso(21) for evade
[19:25:43] <JackThePenguin> (38) fire mission starting
[19:25:44] {1A46FF}[HQ]: {409FFF}INTERNAL MESSAGE from the FIRE DEPARTMENT
[19:25:44] {1A46FF}[HQ]: {409FFF}Possible police assistance is being required at Pershing Square, Los Santos due to a fire on that locatio
** The Firetruck stopped outside Temple PnS, I attempted to stop him, I take out a deagle and aimed at the driver, who is ID34**
[19:25:55] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts: This is the LAW ... STOP and SURRENDER now!
[19:26:02] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts: This is the LAW ... STOP and SURRENDER now!
[19:26:10] [M]Armando.Alemdar(54) says: what
[19:26:15] [NP]Monte.Montague(46) shouts: Wtf!!
[19:26:24] [M]Armando.Alemdar(54) says: where are ronaldo
[19:26:25] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts: Get out with your hands yuo!!
** I engaged**
[19:26:34] [NP]Monte.Montague(46): Police Radio: Ronald stop shootign firemans, Over.    [At this point, he is obstructing justice]
[19:26:39] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts: This is the LAW ... STOP and SURRENDER now!
[19:26:49] Ronald_Rosso(21): Emergency Radio: Firefighters are still under the law, Over.
[19:26:52] Ronald_Rosso(21) shouts: This is the LAW ... STOP and SURRENDER now!
[19:26:57] [NP]Monte.Montague(46): Emergency Radio: so are youy, Over.
[19:26:59] Neos(31) says: please let me move
** I accdidentally killed Monte **
[19:27:04] You have been fined $1500 for killing a cop!
[19:27:06] [M]Armando.Alemdar(54) says: ronaldo I dont see you are bugger
[19:27:11] [NP]Monte.Montague(46): Police Radio: and he kills me, Over.
** Out of the report**
[19:33:45] [M]Armando.Alemdar was tempbanned by [WS]Bass_Kolta(36) for 60 minutes for /q abuse to respawn.
[19:33:45] [M]Bascma.Alemdar was tempbanned by [WS]Bass_Kolta(36) for 60 minutes for /q abuse to respawn.
[19:33:45] <[NP]Monte.Montague> (46) my firemannnnnsss
[19:33:45] ADVERTISEMENT: {FA6464}Searching new fleet of firemans{FF9900}, contact [NP]Monte.Montague(Phone:5400)
**I would say he is also negligent on his ARPD duties, since he is dealing with FD works with PD duty**

Date: 28/9/2013
Time: 12:20pm CET (The time in the chatlog is in UTC+8 (HKT) )

Civillian(s) involved: List..
[M]Armando.Alemdar
[M]Bascma.Alemdar

Signed
Ronald Rosso

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague
Post by: Hamza on October 07, 2013, 07:03:50 am

Hello, this is Sergeant Hamza K. and I am going to handle this report.
Please get the reported officer here and post your story a bit more detailed for me.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Plam Knight on October 13, 2013, 16:49:20 pm

Did you manage to contact the reported officer and infact have you even attempted to speak with him before you reported him ?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on October 16, 2013, 13:40:16 pm

I haven't seen him online in game since this application is posted tbh.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on October 17, 2013, 09:12:20 am

Contact him whenever you see him, also please post your side of story a bit more detailed for me.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on October 18, 2013, 15:37:19 pm

I will do when i see him.

So the story starts when I am pulling over a ladder truck (Firetruck_LA) driven by [M]Armando.Alemdar or [M]Bascma.Alemdar, (ID34) one of them. Then Monte came, I warned the firemen to stop but they refused to stop. I suspected one of them, and Monte said in radio: "Ronald stop shootign firemans", which he is obstructing cop work when he is also a cop.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Monte Montague on October 19, 2013, 02:17:56 am

this guy is corrupt don't believe him
I reported him that time
he also killed me in same situation - WHEN I WAS A COP.


Its not corrupt to escort fireman,  it says every so often " OH EHM GEE A FIRE @ SO AND SO, POLICE MAY BE REQUIRED" where is the harm in me spending some time to ensure they can travel safe? Firemans choosing to come with me, and this guy let the whole force down by killing them. He lacks communication skills and if he was able to see me saying I will be with firemans then he should contact me, especially when I am just five feets away and in clear eyesight. 

This guy is just a troll and thinks a cop needs to drive around and suspect ballas all day and speak in /r stating where they are, where as I do not limit myself to /r.

Kind regards,

I will pay no further attention to this case as I have no means of regular interaction with this forum.
I was not informed prior to this report.
This guy is just trying to get brownie points of some sort and simply doesn't like my roleplay, that's all, any excuse, what does those chatlogs show? I got screens too you know, and ask those firemans to come here and tell us of the bad officers actions. Firemans are on code 3, going to a mission, and he wants to stop them, when they are being escorted by a policeman who has declared in /e. This cop is wrong and support of this case only shows weakness.

This was a case of
Trial in absentia.

and now I am unable to even respond.
Case still open after so much time and now im gone.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Monte Montague on October 19, 2013, 02:19:42 am

Also the evidence has been tampered with.
he had no right to edit it to put his comments.
he is misleading the judgement towards his side. It's a classic case of "unfortunately, to save the lives of the 1 person, I had to kill 20 orphans"

I object to this.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Monte Montague on October 19, 2013, 02:23:21 am

Also accident or not, how the fudge do you end up killing a cop and get away with it?

he needs to be trained how to use a gun or taken off the force, he killed me, and technically in roleplay I am not even able to respond because I'm dead.

He killed me on purpose.
Tell him to prove it wasn't an accident, it only shows he was recklessly endangering lives, and the fireman could do nothing against him, so he shot me first, and killed them off, a no good evil person, now he wants to get rid of me so that I don't tell of all of his evils and he knew I wouldn't be around often so he thought he'd take his chance and report me to get in there first and look good.

but it's not true, Im innocent.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on October 19, 2013, 11:55:18 am

I have nothing to tell if you say that I am corrupted. Also Hamza came and talked to me about that incident after you've been killed.

@Hamza, he is informed about this report
http://i.imgur.com/0fjy8fP.png (http://i.imgur.com/0fjy8fP.png)
http://i.imgur.com/EwXrrQw.png (http://i.imgur.com/EwXrrQw.png)

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on October 20, 2013, 14:34:10 pm

@Albert: Prove me how was the killing an accident?
@Monte: Why did you assist the firemen when they were wanted?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on October 22, 2013, 13:24:42 pm

I was engaging at the firefighter driver inside the Ladder Truck Unit. I was using my police duty desert eagle to shoot the Ladder truck's tyres (Immobilizing his vehicle). Monte ran into the front of me and he was killed since he got low health. It is certainly an accident since I have no intention to hurt Officer Monte.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on October 23, 2013, 16:09:37 pm

Do you have any witness or evidence to prove yourself?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on October 24, 2013, 14:28:05 pm

The Firemen can prove.

[M]Armando.Alemdar
[M]Bascma.Alemdar

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on October 24, 2013, 15:18:48 pm

Get them here please.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on October 29, 2013, 11:26:46 am

The firemen are acknowledged about this report, but they haven't replied here yet.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Milano Alvarez on November 05, 2013, 14:49:45 pm

Good afternoon, I am Sergeant McCollin and I will take over this report as per request of Staff Sergeant Hamza. I have analysed all the posts and came up with a solution which is stated down here.

Albert, I will give you 48 hours to get the following firemen here to post their statement.
- Armando Alemdar
- Bascma Alemdar

If the witnesses do not come here, we will have to proceed with this report without witnesses.

Kind regards,
Bryan McCollin, Training Sergeant

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [BRYAN]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 07, 2013, 12:02:26 pm

Since they didn't show up upon my request to respond to this report. I would say that we can proceed with this report without witnesses.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [BRYAN]
Post by: Milano Alvarez on November 07, 2013, 13:06:00 pm

Good afternoon,

As the witnesses did not respond here, we will proceed with this report. Give me some time to analyse the report until further notice.

Kind regards,
Bryan McCollin, Training Sergeant

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [BRYAN]
Post by: Milano Alvarez on November 08, 2013, 11:52:55 am

Good morning,

I have noticed in that chat logs, that the fireman was suspected before the fire even started. Monte, where did you exactly escort the firefighters to? As the the suspection came before the fire started.

Quote from: InfernalCurse on October 19, 2013, 02:17:56 am

Its not corrupt to escort fireman,  it says every so often " OH EHM GEE A FIRE @ SO AND SO, POLICE MAY BE REQUIRED".

Kind regards,
Bryan McCollin, Training Sergeant

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [BRYAN]
Post by: Milano Alvarez on November 10, 2013, 01:46:53 am

Good evening,

As the firefighters were breaking traffic laws before the fire, and were driving around without lights or sirens, you could ofcourse pull-over the firefighters. If they refuse to pull-over you can simply suspect them, if they are driving without lights and sirens. Were they driving with C3 response Albert?

As Monte or any of the firefighters will not post here, we will come to a conclusion without them.

Kind regards,
Bryan McCollin, Training Sergeant

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [BRYAN]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 10, 2013, 01:55:42 am

Negative Sergeant. They are not responding to any emergency calls, they are NOT on Code 3 (Lights on and Sirens on).

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [BRYAN]
Post by: Hamza on November 10, 2013, 15:15:00 pm

I am back and I am taking over this report again as per upon the request of Sergeant McCollins.
@The reporter: We cannot proceed without the witnesses as they're the one witnessing the scene and as they saw your part of justice, it's important for you to contact them and persuade them to show interest here.

Sergeant Hamza K.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 11, 2013, 10:23:58 am

PM'ed them at Argonath Main Forum. Will try to contact them IG again soon.

Ronald

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on November 17, 2013, 15:22:14 pm

Any news on the witnesses?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 18, 2013, 11:29:29 am

Didn't see them IG, no response from their Argo Main Forum PM. I would say that they aren't going to respond, to be honest.

Ronald

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on November 19, 2013, 16:09:42 pm

Anything else to be added from both sides?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Monte Montague on November 20, 2013, 04:32:47 am

Yes this is a trivial issue.

I stand by what ever I did, whatever the independent party thinks.

I still think Ronald was heavy handed and disruptive, killing my wonderful, brave Firemen.
If I had documented it as well as Ronald, don't you think I'd of had a strong case?

Ronald in this case is looking to attack, not as a independent. Is it as important a case now? what is more serious is that multiple firemen died who was attending a fire call. Being escorted by a police officer and who had clearly said over radio several times that he would be working with them. I had not neglected my work.

I would like to counter argument that Ronald is in a much more serious case.

ARPD spirit isn't that of limitations.

I have had several discussions and a few copban, last was for shooting a unarmed suspect who was punching officers with a sniper, I said how I saw it as an opportunity to prevent damage to officers, so I standby shooting him, especially when the sus didn't want to surrender, take up police time and literally fighting to the death, in the circumstances my choice was much better - better target than 5 officers spraying each other with spray to try and get that one guy down.

I stand by what I did on that day and unless you copban me for 100 years, I will not hesitate doing it again, if you can not say how it goes against my duties and morality of an officer.


1. [NP]Monte.Montague - Obstruction of Justice, Possibly Corruption, interfering with law enforcement as a LEO, Neglience of ARPD Officer duty


much more defined response to above charges.
 
obstruction of justice - my views on duty, is valid and should be accepted, if for example the chief doesn't think so he is not a true leader. he had no need to shoot fireman, they was not attacking and was not evading, if he claims they was evading, why did they follow me, even whilst surrendered?

Negligence of arpd officer duty:
ARPD officers get request from fireman (server message and /e) to help in fire mission, this is usual, so if I choose to spend a bit of time to organize them in a way which we both can work better, how is it neglect.


SGT Hamza I urge you to take up the issue of Ronald murdering me, and several firemen.
I mean the cheek. What is he a mad men? How could he accidentally shoot a cop when there are 5 firemen all around who was not shooting, so why not just not shoot - it'd be best for all.

SGT, I urge you, don't let him get away with this.  :gandalf:

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 20, 2013, 12:47:23 pm

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SGT Hamza I urge you to take up the issue of Ronald murdering me, and several firemen.
I mean the cheek. What is he a mad men? How could he accidentally shoot a cop when there are 5 firemen all around who was not shooting, so why not just not shoot - it'd be best for all.

First, I have to clarify that, and have already stated, that killing you was an accident.

Second, I am not murdering the so called "several firemen". There are only 2 Argonath Fire Department (ARFD) Voluntary Firefighters: [M]Armando.Alemdar and [M]Bascma.Alemdar. I didn't kill them, did I?
[19:25:41] [M]Bascma.Alemdar(34) was suspected by officer Ronald_Rosso(21) for evade
I have rights to engage fire since they didn't comply, as I shouted at them to get out of the vehicle and surrender.

Quote from: Argonath Constitution

Argonath Constitutions Act XIII.II: Persons mentioned in Act XIV.I are allowed to use necessary force to prevent a crime or to stop a criminal.

Third, you prove yourself that you are lying, "5 firemen all around", are you really sure that there are 5 firefighters online? All I can see is 2 firefighters, [M]Armando.Alemdar and [M]Bascma.Alemdar.

Fourth, after the incident, I have already talked to SAPD Sergeant, Mr Hamza personally about the incident that you are killed under my police Desert Eagle. I have already apologized about the accident that I caused.

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I have had several discussions and a few copban, last was for shooting a unarmed suspect who was punching officers with a sniper, I said how I saw it as an opportunity to prevent damage to officers, so I standby shooting him, especially when the sus didn't want to surrender, take up police time and literally fighting to the death, in the circumstances my choice was much better - better target than 5 officers spraying each other with spray to try and get that one guy down.

I stand by what I did on that day and unless you copban me for 100 years, I will not hesitate doing it again, if you can not say how it goes against my duties and morality of an officer."

This is not relevant to this case.

Kind regards,
Ronald Rosso

P.S. I have never lied about anything in this case. If the authorities judge me  guilty as the "crimes" stated by Mr Monte Montague, I would kindly accept any punishments that the authority give.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Monte Montague on November 21, 2013, 18:27:28 pm

You killed me.

As a dead person - victim of this tragic "Accident" (still a crime), I demand all information of what was discussed between you and Hamza.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 22, 2013, 08:44:58 am

Quote from: InfernalCurse on November 21, 2013, 18:27:28 pm

You killed me.
As a dead person - victim of this tragic "Accident" (still a crime).

Yes I did kill you, but I don't have any deliberates nor any intention to kill you. I don't have the chatlog of that day anymore. If you are really requiring the chatlog about me and Sergeant Hamza, please ask the administration team.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: Hamza on November 22, 2013, 14:07:05 pm

I don't really remember on which date we had that talk and on which topic. A last chance to add anything if both parties wish to.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 22, 2013, 16:03:15 pm

You stopped me and talked to me just after I posted this report (I was afk and you waited for me just outside Temple PnS). I guess Mr Monte is talking about this conversation.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: [Rstar]CBFASI on November 25, 2013, 00:50:04 am

This case has been drawn to my attention...

Administration logs cannot be used for ANY rp case so only the evidence provided is allowed, and in my opinion that evidence is tainted by being edited..

From what I can see we have a case of one officer stating another is obstructing justice and that first ends up killing the second officer...
One issue of causing problems with the law enforcement does not allow another to then go break that law, you state accident but co-incidence implies otherwise ...

There is in my opinion no reason for ARPD to spend any further time on this case and it should be closed.

I leave this in the hand of the investigating officer ...

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: albertlau128 on November 25, 2013, 10:06:11 am

It was my fault that I killed Mr. Monte, even if it was an accident.

Since firefighters Bascma and Armando failed to respond here, I have nothing to say about this accident. Yes, I claim this as an accident, since I didn't have any intention to kill him. Even if he was law-breaking, why I should murder him?

I agree to Commissioner, let's wrap this report up.

Regards,
Ronald

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] [NP]Monte.Montague [HAMZA]
Post by: [WS]Mike on November 29, 2013, 20:54:51 pm

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San Andreas Police Department
29/11/2013

STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On the September the 27th  2013, at 19:53 HOURS a report was submitted by Ronald Rosso as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.
Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
- Sergeant Hamza
- Sergeant McCollin
- Deputy Chief Sangelo

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

-- ARPD Officer [NP]Monte.Montague was reported for possible corruption and negligence of duties during a situation involving multiple suspects. After Monte was killed on what is claimed to be an accident, there is no way to confirm whether that statement was factual or not. Given the lack of evidence from the reporters side due to the death of the one being reported, there really is nothing more we can move on with due to the age of this case.

-- In conclusion, no action is to be taken on either sides. Since this case is over two months old, it is being closed due to lack of evidence given the circumstances.

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to the Chief of Police via the ARPD Forum PM and we might reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.


Signed,
Deputy Chief Mike Sangelo