No. This violates the Argonath Vision, which is why it has always been denied.
If you don't like people abusing, teach them before they do it. If you catch them do it later, try to correct them. If they refuse to listen, report them. The system worked fine for quite some time. The only reason why more issues are coming up now is because people have become lazy, and refuse to help out new players...
If it is Veterans, then the solution is simple: Harsher punishments for those who already know the rules, but insist on breaking them anyway. Report them. Plain and simple.No. This violates the Argonath Vision, which is why it has always been denied.
If you don't like people abusing, teach them before they do it. If you catch them do it later, try to correct them. If they refuse to listen, report them. The system worked fine for quite some time. The only reason why more issues are coming up now is because people have become lazy, and refuse to help out new players...
It's the veterans that misbehave. And if we copban, they just go inactive for a week and then come back doing the exact same thing. Won't make a difference. 20 percent of the officers are currently trolling. Which is a large amount considering the fact that nearly 60 percent of the server is police most of the time.
What if the argovision became shortsighted? It needs to be corrected.It cannot become shortsighted because it is not meant to change. It is what Argo was founded on. If you do not agree with it, you are welcome to create your own community elsewhere with the values you see fit. We will not hold that against you, as it is your choice...but our own Vision will never be changed just because of the opinions of a select few. If we did that, this community would be far beyond what its original intentions were, and would be just like every other one out there.
PS ARFD commissioner:Those are not my "firemen". Those are Volunteer Firefighters. There is a place to report issues. If you fail to do that, it is not my fault. This is also not the place to discuss this, so don't try to pick fights to make your arguments work.
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Your firemen aren't able to provide assistance in needed situations such as car accidents, fire scenes which do not involve real scripted fire which provides free money, on injured officer scene etc..
I quite often see firemen growing weed, racing at LSFD or simply being AFK
all due to a small number of fools who can get an appropriate punishment for their behavior?They don't get that appropriate punishment.
If so many people agree, high ranks, admins, managers then why not listen?As said before it breaches the vision, which is the core foundation that the server is built upon. Under no circumstances will it be changed/avoided.
If so many people agree, high ranks, admins, managers then why not listen?As said before it breaches the vision, which is the core foundation that the server is built upon. Under no circumstances will it be changed/avoided.
Besides, I repeat: What good can come from limiting SAPD to be application-only? It only brings harm for those who want to be on duty without applying to the SAPD, to go through the application process which takes time, and to even risk denial from the process because they cannot reach the requirements.
A large number of SAPD officers are properly behaving, and to limit the freedom all because of a few bad apples is just wrong.
What good can come from limiting SAPD to be application-only?
It only brings harm for those who want to be on duty without applying to the SAPD, to go through the application process which takes time, and to even risk denial from the process because they cannot reach the requirements.
It simply disappoints me to even see the SAPD command agree with this.
Against the vision? Don't play that old card again and again vision already tarnished since alot of in-game features restricted to specific groups.Tarnished? I think not. There's no card being played here. These rules have not changed since the day the community was founded. If you find that someone is violating the Vision, you should be shooting an email to one of the community's email addresses to report it.
Sorry but we're in 2014.Then you are welcome to go elsewhere. The Vision won't change just because you think it is outdated.
These rules have not changed since the day the community was founded.Meanwhile the community players changed and those rules don't fulfill the act of some players.
not ways to "prevent" them from joiningOf course, it's always good to have few trolls on duty to waste time on and get PMs and 911 calls of abuse, threats and misuse.
:lol:I would like Gandalf to read this and make SAPD a closed group.
Of course, it's always good to have few trolls on duty to waste time on and get PMs and 911 calls of abuse, threats and misuse.
Of course, it's always good to have few trolls on duty to waste time on and get PMs and 911 calls of abuse, threats and misuse.
We have told you a good number of times that you must report these trolls to SAPD command or even the Admin team if required...
If you restrict the group, consider the fact you are taking the opportunity of many others away, as others tried to say.
They don't get that appropriate punishment.
24hour copban just makes them laugh.
I suggest permanent copbansPossible, but not preferred/accepted well. I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.
Stricter copbans which would last longer.Ultimately comes down to the person holding the rights. It's common sense that repeated behavior will get a longer punishment, however.
I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.
I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.
I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.
I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.
Interesting this idea.
Fully supported. The amount of trolls is getting higher and higher. In RS4 with the large playerbase I supported the fact that everyone was given a chance to join the force easily but currently.. We're spending more time on chasing and arresting officers than actual suspects. This has to end now.This.
Well indeed I guess we can solve a bog part of the problem with it and we can discuss about the banned player his behavior on duty it might gets more word for the SAPD command but it removes alot of work due constantly handling the same officer or am i wrong?I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.
Interesting this idea.
I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.
I'm here since 2011, I ain't old but I ain't new either, however who ever starts talking about joining date that's pure nonsense. If there's someone new trying to implement something new and change stuff, then he should be encouraged to do so.
Never said this is a new idea, I know it's been suggested before but I want to give it another try.
Better to try and suggest something than go ingame and moan how everything sucks like most of people do since RS5.
Alright, what about the permanent copban and copban unban requests which Leon mentioned?
or maybe just return volunteer officers who get nitestick, pepper spray and maybe desert eagle with 1 magazine, with no ability to /su?
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
This board exists for a reason. (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0)Mang can report him as he was recording with audio recorder. My pictures aren't roleplay evidence.
I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.
Well i will note it down again is it allowed to copban strict and make the unban requests for police duty?
A permanent copban would be a very serious thing that should only be used for a very serious offender.I've seen a few cases where this could be applied ;)
I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.
No matter how many support this, it wont happend.
Instead of talking about SAPD become a closed group, talk about what you can do to improve SAPD.
I fully support this and i will be able to help you with it.I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.
No matter how many support this, it wont happend.
Instead of talking about SAPD become a closed group, talk about what you can do to improve SAPD.
I've already got an idea in the formation :3 You can't ask for a better department... But you can train for one... Once I get the proper feedback from other Academy Instructors and Cmd. I see my idea happening. The proper training for all will happen.
What we're going to close off is the amount of trolls we have in SAPD. We're going to close off the lack of knowledge SAPD has and form a much better, much more knowledgeable department.
Also concerning the fact about people in SAPD messing up. They get dealt with eventually. While it's not pretty to watch them give us a bad name I think we can actually help out the department by just handing the knowledge to the uneducated. Some of the "trolls" don't mean to troll. They're just not educated well. I'm pretty sure I would've been kicked out of SAPD if I wasn't taught well. When I started in RS4, I was learning fast but had problems adapting to Argonath. Eventually people helped me (Thanks to the RS4 Community) and I learned. While closing off the SAPD may sound like a good idea, I think we'll just end up kicking out the people that don't mean it and want to try to learn; Some people need to be closed off but not all...
About the reporting and copbanning: why not leave it to the court? Let people report offending officers/agents to the court under a special board called "Government complaints". Judges bring verdicts, hand out a punishment if needed. Keeps a clear line between the offender, the 'victim' and the people judging the complaint, so the process is transparent and unbiased.
Why would it take any longer than reporting it via the ARPD forums? Plus, it promotes roleplay without needing more scripts.About the reporting and copbanning: why not leave it to the court? Let people report offending officers/agents to the court under a special board called "Government complaints". Judges bring verdicts, hand out a punishment if needed. Keeps a clear line between the offender, the 'victim' and the people judging the complaint, so the process is transparent and unbiased.
Because that process takes to long. We need it right there on the spot while it happens.
Completely agree with Plam.Never said this is a new idea, I know it's been suggested before but I want to give it another try.
Better to try and suggest something than go ingame and moan how everything sucks like most of people do since RS5.
In a sense the system that was not too long ago was closed, but the actual idea of removing the lowest accessible rank and to make SAPD an internal group was indeed suggested, denied and it will probably be denied for a long time ahead. I won't say Argonath Vision cuz that sentence is far too overused, considering people rub off anything with it. But this idea was already denied multiple times for the very reason "It goes against Argonath Vision." and belive me a lot of people have tried to achieve that, including old SAPD commands that go way back in to the years and I belive even the most recent command staff have attempted that as well, sadly the only answer you get is "Argonath Vision", so there is no point to make another topic 20 pages long, just to end with the same outcome as the many before it.
And in a sense this idea would completely kill Argonath with the player base issues it has recently.
The SAPD will not become an application only group.I agree with you.
Judges will not reserve the right to issue punishments to officers on the field, or through a complaint. We work with FBI IA on certain cases if necessary.
"Cop-unban" is not something that can happen (from CBF himself)
I appreciate the feedback, but many of the suggested changes "being supported" by other people doesn't mean they will happen.
Judges will not reserve the right to issue punishments to officers on the field, or through a complaint. We work with FBI IA on certain cases if necessary.
"Cop-unban" is not something that can happen (from CBF himself)
Inn a sense Argonath is cursed, but as well blessed
its just the way Argonath has built its way for the past 7-8 years.
Being since Argonath changed to Cargonath I do indeed agree with this idea.Please refrain from bumping old topics.
Discussing it or not freecop system won't be removed as it goes against Argonath Vision which gives equal rights to play to all players.
Discussing it or not freecop system won't be removed as it goes against Argonath Vision which gives equal rights to play to all players.
Umm... As much as I appreciate your efforts to show us how much your attitude has changed over your absence in Argonath, I still think you moving around forums and posting in topics you have nothing to do with trying to look the Mr. all knowing wizard is rather... dumb.