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GTA: San Andreas => SAPD Information Center => Topic started by: Will on July 19, 2014, 01:05:54 am

Title: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 01:05:54 am
There are some tencodes that do not exist but should.

10-5:Negative
Instead of 10-4 (message received)
10-6:Stationary
Used when staying in one location and when not active.
e.g: "10-6 in the department garage, over"
10-50:Trafficstop
Used when reporting a traffic stop.
e.g: "10-50 in Idlewood, white Infernus with 2 occupants, over"
10-54:Suspect down
Used when suspect is neutralized
e.g: "SU0 10-54, LFU, Code 14, over"
10-70:Additional unit is needed
Used when in-need of one additional unit.
e.g: "10-70 in a trafficstop, Idlewood, over"
10-99:Action is over
Used when any action is over.
e.g: "10-80 10-99, Code 4, over"


And finally, the most important one in my opinion, a general code that will finally solve the misuse of Code 4,

Code 5:Clear
Used when reporting a clear area.
e.g: "Rodeo, Code 5, over"
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Andrew Banks on July 19, 2014, 02:11:40 am
At the begging of this year, we had a cleanup of the codes. This was because new players found it hard to study all codes and remember them.
Hence why the codes list has been shortened, as far as I remember. A few weeks ago someone suggested some codes and they got denied because of the reason I stated above.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 02:17:09 am
At the begging of this year, we had a cleanup of the codes. This was because new players found it hard to study all codes and remember them.
Hence why the codes list has been shortened, as far as I remember. A few weeks ago someone suggested some codes and they got denied because of the reason I stated above.
I suppose Code 5 will not be hard to remember, forget the rest.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 19, 2014, 05:50:29 am
I don't really support any of these code changes as half of the promote laziness and "bloat" the code list. Constantly making changes to the code list will confuse a lot of the current officers on duty with what's new and what's not on the list anymore.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on July 19, 2014, 06:16:10 am
Personally I don't see an issue with only the original ARPD codes being used. The list was decent, easy to remember, and wasn't bloated. I even based ARFD's short list off of it for cross-communication purposes.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Nexus Riggs on July 19, 2014, 08:26:38 am
We have had numerous amount of officers who did not memorize or understand the amount of codes we had in the past. Additionally every police officer who goes on police duty is also on SAPD duty, which means they are obligated to memorize all the basic police codes to communicate effectively without confusion. As this is our global effort to ensure almost all officers understand them easily is why we reduced it and simplified it to general level. We encourage all officers to use common words, phrases and abbreviations instead of codes to enhance communication at all times.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Matthew Carter on July 19, 2014, 08:52:51 am
Many high ranks support better communication rather than speaking like a robot, and I support it too.
Does it sound better saying "U0A1: Traffic stop on a black vehicle, we're positioned at Temple, requesting additional unit" or with robotic codes?
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Jake Parker on July 19, 2014, 09:33:31 am
Well, my opinion we have a full list it takes new officers a couple of days to pass a session of only the police codes this shows how hard it is to study for it and remember it as soon as possible. We have a nice list with codes which is for the basic furthermore we should communicate as nexus and matthew stated there is nothing wrong with it and easier for new officer to understand the situation. Else you should make a code for every simple thing, i face officers each day which do not know the basic codes and ignore the most of it we want to avoid this.

Signed,

Jake Parker
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 09:35:17 am
I understand.
But I would still like to read your opinions regarding Code 5.
People constantly misuse Code 4. (Matthew :P)
They use Code 4 when reporting a clear area, when it means No further assistance required.
There are not a lot of codes, so I don't see how one additional code will confuse players.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 19, 2014, 09:39:41 am
I understand.
But I would still like to read your opinions regarding Code 5.
People constantly misuse Code 4. (Matthew :P)
They use Code 4 when reporting a clear area, when it means No further assistance required.
There are not a lot of codes, so I don't see how one additional code will confuse players.

Then tell them in radio what is the correct way to use them..
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Matthew Carter on July 19, 2014, 10:16:11 am
Code 4 means there's no need for units at your location, if you're at some part of city and it's clear, then logically, you don't need any units there since it's clear.
I asked Leon to confirm this, and he agreed, you were there with me and I told you about it, still you wanted to go your way.

The codes are kinda dynamic, for example, many people use C30 just to request C3 backup while the code actually means officer in danger and once you arrive, you just see bunch unarmed civilians nearby..
The codes should be just a little indication of the situation, if you want greater description then you should talk it out with letters and describe it properly like a human being.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Leon Arallian on July 19, 2014, 10:33:18 am
Although it's a lot better to just say "area clear" or just "clear" which is why I prefer english rather than codes and abbreviatives.
A few codes I can agree with since I use them myself :roll: but some are better off being told in the language everyone understands(if they can, of course.) to avoid misunderstandings.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 11:28:00 am
Code 4 means there's no need for units at your location, if you're at some part of city and it's clear, then logically, you don't need any units there since it's clear.
I asked Leon to confirm this, and he agreed, you were there with me and I told you about it, still you wanted to go your way.

The codes are kinda dynamic, for example, many people use C30 just to request C3 backup while the code actually means officer in danger and once you arrive, you just see bunch unarmed civilians nearby..
The codes should be just a little indication of the situation, if you want greater description then you should talk it out with letters and describe it properly like a human being.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=19454.msg305679#msg305679 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=19454.msg305679#msg305679)
Plam and Rusty agreed with me!


I understand.
But I would still like to read your opinions regarding Code 5.
People constantly misuse Code 4. (Matthew :P)
They use Code 4 when reporting a clear area, when it means No further assistance required.
There are not a lot of codes, so I don't see how one additional code will confuse players.

Then tell them in radio what is the correct way to use them..
"Williams || U1 arrived to the trafficstop, Code 4, over"
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Jake Parker on July 19, 2014, 11:44:51 am
As i see rusty didnt agreed  with you he only agreed on the fact that C4 is misused that has nothing to do with you fact of Code 5
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 11:49:28 am
As i see rusty didnt agreed  with you he only agreed on the fact that C4 is misused that has nothing to do with you fact of Code 5
These are two different topics.
In the first topic, I just asked if players really misuse Code 4, I didn't mention any suggestion regarding Code 5.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Jake Parker on July 19, 2014, 15:52:35 pm
Indeed and rusty mentioned you that people do not use Code 4 with the right meaning so it's bullshit that you say rusty agreed with me.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 16:53:31 pm
Indeed and rusty mentioned you that people do not use Code 4 with the right meaning so it's bullshit that you say rusty agreed with me.
I only made sure I am right, and he said I am.
He said nothing about Code 5, didn't mention it twice or even once.
Don't mix between the two.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Francisco Martinez on July 19, 2014, 22:59:30 pm
And ban all letters from /r. From now on only numbers. You guys forget that there are players that go on cop duty once in a while to have fun, do you think they get 90% of the codes you guys insert? Keep it simple, write stuff so everyone can understand. You can play robocops on the local chat, or go to TeamSpeak and do the "tchhhhhhhhhh" sound every time you stop talking,
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 19, 2014, 23:20:59 pm
Guys, forget all codes.
I would like to read your opinions regarding Code 5.
Forget the rest!
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Francisco Martinez on July 20, 2014, 00:09:07 am
Code 5  - 5 characters. Clear - 5 characters.

The idea is to shorten things up, therefore using another code is useless. And Code 5 was previously used by DPD so watch out.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 20, 2014, 01:30:40 am
Code 5  - 5 characters. Clear - 5 characters.

The idea is to shorten things up, therefore using another code is useless. And Code 5 was previously used by DPD so watch out.
C5
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Francisco Martinez on July 20, 2014, 01:34:47 am
Clear.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 20, 2014, 05:44:07 am
Clear.

Not to mention more people will UNDERSTAND CLEAR over C5/Code 5...
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Ben Martin on July 20, 2014, 09:23:11 am
I acctually prefer using C5 because it fills the emptyness C4 left when we used C4 instead of clear 
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Francisco Martinez on July 20, 2014, 12:37:08 pm
I acctually prefer using C5 because it fills the emptyness C4 left when we used C4 instead of clear

Like I said, if you want to play Robocop go to the Strict Traffic channel on teamspeak. New players NEED to understand what happens on the radio, otherwise they will just leave because they don't get anything and it all seems too complicated.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Ben Martin on July 20, 2014, 14:39:44 pm
We are already using C3, C4,10-4,10-8,10-7,207 very often and new players don't have problems learning those, it is just about a matter of time that OLD cops get used of using C5 and not new cops
trust me a few more codes won't change alot on the radio communication, I really support this idea
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 20, 2014, 14:52:39 pm
We are already using C3, C4,10-4,10-8,10-7,207 very often and new players don't have problems learning those, it is just about a matter of time that OLD cops get used of using C5 and not new cops
trust me a few more codes won't change alot on the radio communication, I really support this idea

Those codes are the core essentials of Argonath's ARPD Codes, everyone learns them, but when you implement Codes like Code 5 to mention you also confuse players coming from other servers including veterans and incoming new players.

A few more codes, going back to what SAPD Command CHANGED at the beginning of the year. Please. It is not beneficial to pull new codes because they allow for easiness around saying a single word on a radio report.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Jake Parker on July 20, 2014, 17:49:04 pm
If they would allow this one code there will follow others and on the end of the story we will end up with a shitload of police codes we got the basics of the codes keep it with that list don't make it any harder.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Ben Martin on July 20, 2014, 21:18:24 pm
You might find it useless , I find it really helpfull, I am also considering starting using it... it isn't going to be that hard for people to understand the meaning of an extra code
I really like the idea of Code 5- and I am supporting it, I don mind the other codes too.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Matthew Carter on July 20, 2014, 21:26:49 pm
So you'll be using something which is not officially accepted?
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Ben Martin on July 20, 2014, 21:33:04 pm
So you'll be using something which is not officially accepted?
Yes.
I will try to explain to officers who ask ,what does the code mean... I am not waiting for the code to become official, although I would love that
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Francisco Martinez on July 20, 2014, 23:39:08 pm
So you'll be using something which is not officially accepted?
Yes.
I will try to explain to officers who ask ,what does the code mean... I am not waiting for the code to become official, although I would love that

Code 5 was an old code for DPD, you better come up with a new one....
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Ben Martin on July 21, 2014, 09:17:02 am
Great then! I can use it , also I am not the one who came up with the code
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 21, 2014, 09:42:05 am
As Ben already said, I didn't suggest it because it is shorter than "Clear", but because of the constant misuse of Code 4 when reporting a clear area.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Andrew Banks on July 21, 2014, 10:41:39 am
I don't really see the need of 'C5', Clear is 3 letters longer, just type it.
You don't have to type 'clear' in the middle of a gunfight, you use it to report a certain location is clear. No offense but it sounds a bit like laziness.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 21, 2014, 13:40:02 pm
I don't really see the need of 'C5', Clear is 3 letters longer, just type it.
You don't have to type 'clear' in the middle of a gunfight, you use it to report a certain location is clear. No offense but it sounds a bit like laziness.
Again, didn't you read my message above?
People misuse Code 4 by reporting a clear area with Code 4.
I suggested Code 5 because then people will understand that Code 4 isn't right to use when reporting a clear location.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Matthew Carter on July 21, 2014, 14:20:53 pm
Again, it's not like somebody goes and kills 50 civilians when he uses C4 to say that the area he is in doesn't require additional units to patrol in it.
In my opinion, it's same thing if someone says "area clear" or "area C4" which would mean that the area he is in does not require additional units, which would again in my opinion be correct.
If you wanna go letter to letter, whoever says that area is clear while there are civilians all over it, it's also incorrect, so that means we need to bring new code? no.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 21, 2014, 15:23:37 pm
I don't really see the need of 'C5', Clear is 3 letters longer, just type it.
You don't have to type 'clear' in the middle of a gunfight, you use it to report a certain location is clear. No offense but it sounds a bit like laziness.
Again, didn't you read my message above?
People misuse Code 4 by reporting a clear area with Code 4.
I suggested Code 5 because then people will understand that Code 4 isn't right to use when reporting a clear location.


Using another code to fix misuse is NOT a viable solution, start explaining properly to people on radio when you think they've misused it and TEACH them.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 21, 2014, 15:59:39 pm
I don't really see the need of 'C5', Clear is 3 letters longer, just type it.
You don't have to type 'clear' in the middle of a gunfight, you use it to report a certain location is clear. No offense but it sounds a bit like laziness.
Again, didn't you read my message above?
People misuse Code 4 by reporting a clear area with Code 4.
I suggested Code 5 because then people will understand that Code 4 isn't right to use when reporting a clear location.


Using another code to fix misuse is NOT a viable solution, start explaining properly to people on radio when you think they've misused it and TEACH them.
Think I didn't try?
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 21, 2014, 16:21:05 pm
I don't really see the need of 'C5', Clear is 3 letters longer, just type it.
You don't have to type 'clear' in the middle of a gunfight, you use it to report a certain location is clear. No offense but it sounds a bit like laziness.
Again, didn't you read my message above?
People misuse Code 4 by reporting a clear area with Code 4.
I suggested Code 5 because then people will understand that Code 4 isn't right to use when reporting a clear location.


Using another code to fix misuse is NOT a viable solution, start explaining properly to people on radio when you think they've misused it and TEACH them.
Think I didn't try?

Giving up?
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Will on July 21, 2014, 17:47:20 pm
Giving up?
Yes.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: PulseEffect on July 21, 2014, 18:05:43 pm
Giving up?
Yes.
Because you're tired? What do you think I face every day being in charge of the fire department? Have I given up? No because we all can be higher than kids wailing for change that is not needed. Stand up, this is really just.. low.
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Nexxt on July 21, 2014, 20:04:09 pm
Code O - donut time!
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: James Moretti on July 21, 2014, 20:31:36 pm
Code O - donut time!

Code yellow - Need to go to the bathroom?
Title: Re: Some tencodes that could be useful
Post by: Huntsman on August 07, 2014, 16:00:30 pm
Do not bump old topics.
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