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GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: Jake Parker on January 22, 2015, 17:32:01 pm

Title: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: Jake Parker on January 22, 2015, 17:32:01 pm
Directed to: SAPD Command Staff

Name: Jake Parker

Report against:
TiMoN - REGULATIONS BREACHED

Description of events:
Abusing weaponary on duty, failure to follow SAPD Regulations and Procedures, shooting standing still suspects with a combat shotgun. After talking to him over radio still fails to follow the rules in future.

Possible Witnesses:
FBI Field Cadet Matthew

Evidence:
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Date: 22-1-2015
Time: 17:15 CET

I state that the information provided in this report is 100 percent truthful and accurate, I have also read through the report to leader rules and followed all the correct procedure before submitting this report.

Signed,

Jake Parker
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Jake Parker on January 22, 2015, 17:35:10 pm
SAPD Officer TiMoN has been informed about the report on 22-1-2015 17:33CET

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Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 22, 2015, 17:42:55 pm
Hello, I'm Officer Timon and I'll be proving my innocence. I will be responding to each picture as Exhibit X, which X represents the image used.

Exhibit 1:
A recording which shows nothing, as Officer Jake has appeared to be recording after what he claims I did.

Exhibit 2:
I there state that I don't want to waste $1,000 because of regulations, which makes no sense as nothing of this recording shows me refusing to follow it.

Exhibit 3:
I stated that I do follow the regulations, but I sometimes, a little bit, don't. Which is in extreme situations that rarely happen.

In conclusion, Officer Jake has provided no succesfull claim of me:
Should this reply not be deem enough to make me inoccent against such acts of lying, I demand a trial by combat.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Jake Parker on January 22, 2015, 17:46:44 pm
Abusing weaponary on duty. using combats on a standing still suspect infront of cityhall the incident earlier of misusing your combat on others has been witnessed by matthew also thats why he is the witness. and he will provide the evidence of you abusing your weaponary. And you agreed when i told you not to use combats, you failed to follow my orders which is another fact why you are on this complaint.

Edit: You didnt state in extreme situations which makes sence to the fact you aint following our regulations.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 22, 2015, 18:15:55 pm
Abusing weaponary on duty. using combats on a standing still suspect infront of cityhall the incident earlier of misusing your combat on others has been witnessed by matthew also thats why he is the witness. and he will provide the evidence of you abusing your weaponary. And you agreed when i told you not to use combats, you failed to follow my orders which is another fact why you are on this complaint.

Edit: You didnt state in extreme situations which makes sence to the fact you aint following our regulations.
Your lack of evidence in your claims proves nothing but my innocence. Until you provide such thing, I do see no reason to continue replying. Should Mathew do provide evidence, I'll be happy to respond to your claims. As for him being a "witness", shouldn't really contribute much due to the possibility of lying.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Jake Parker on January 22, 2015, 18:34:22 pm
Lying? Hahah!! Why should i make a whole report against you with all lies in it? What the **** is the logic of that... will be waiting for matthew his part in this report
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 22, 2015, 18:43:17 pm
Lying? Hahah!! Why should i make a whole report against you with all lies in it? What the **** is the logic of that... will be waiting for matthew his part in this report
Nor that I am, but your evidence proves that I am not wrong. I bet you can figure out the rest.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Matthew Carter on January 22, 2015, 19:51:06 pm
I have indeed witnessed the excessive use of force by officer TiMoN.
He used combat shotgun against unarmed suspect who was using fists to assault another civilian.
Afterwards the suspected assaulter took a run for it and officer TiMoN used combat shotgun to neutralize him.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 23, 2015, 05:35:28 am
I have indeed witnessed the excessive use of force by officer TiMoN.
He used combat shotgun against unarmed suspect who was using fists to assault another civilian.
Afterwards the suspected assaulter took a run for it and officer TiMoN used combat shotgun to neutralize him.
Honestly I do not care if you're an FBI Agent, a SAPD Captain, or Gandalf himself, please provide evidence supporting your claims.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: David Gonzalez on January 23, 2015, 20:41:34 pm
Hey there, I'm Lt. Celso Williams and will be taking in this report, full logs, and ss you might have, is to be sent to this report or my PM.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Matthew Carter on January 24, 2015, 14:51:17 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LIQv30B.png)
Aiming with combat shotgun on a standing still suspect
(http://i.imgur.com/eTcEmt7.png)
Aiming on fellow officers with the combat shotgun
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Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 24, 2015, 15:15:23 pm
Just because I aimed doesn't mean I used it on him, as for the second screenshot, it doesn't show me "aiming" at anybody. The report is for shooting standing still suspects which I didn't do and you're still unable to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Jake Parker on January 24, 2015, 15:48:43 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 24, 2015, 15:59:43 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Megamidget on January 24, 2015, 16:34:59 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?

The image shows you aiming the weapon at a unarmed suspect. This can be considered Circumstantial evidence and it allows us to draw a conclusion that ,given the opportunity,  you may have used it on that suspect, and it is likely that you have done so before. Using these conclusions which is supported by the circumstantial evidence and witness statements rules out the need for Direct evidence (IE; A picture of you shooting an unarmed civillian with a combat shotgun)
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Jake Parker on January 24, 2015, 16:43:53 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?
Not needed, the pictures show the evidence we need which is at least that you used it while it was not needed.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 24, 2015, 17:51:55 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?

The image shows you aiming the weapon at a unarmed suspect. This can be considered Circumstantial evidence and it allows us to draw a conclusion that ,given the opportunity,  you may have used it on that suspect, and it is likely that you have done so before. Using these conclusions which is supported by the circumstantial evidence and witness statements rules out the need for Direct evidence (IE; A picture of you shooting an unarmed civillian with a combat shotgun)
So a picture of me is taken aiming a gun at a suspects who gave me a weapon seconds ago, which is undeniable proof that he is heavily armed considering that the weapon was a sniper rifle. Since you're basing your outcome on estimates, suggestions and possible outcomes, bear in mind what I just said. Oh and since everyone is fabricating evidence from witnesses, I can assure you the fact that the suspect tried to stab me in the neck with a knife and then proceeded to shoot.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: Megamidget on January 24, 2015, 17:59:36 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?

The image shows you aiming the weapon at a unarmed suspect. This can be considered Circumstantial evidence and it allows us to draw a conclusion that ,given the opportunity,  you may have used it on that suspect, and it is likely that you have done so before. Using these conclusions which is supported by the circumstantial evidence and witness statements rules out the need for Direct evidence (IE; A picture of you shooting an unarmed civillian with a combat shotgun)
So a picture of me is taken aiming a gun at a suspects who gave me a weapon seconds ago, which is undeniable proves that he is heavily armed considering that the weapon was a sniper rifle. Since you're basing your outcome on estimates, suggestions and possible outcomes, bear in mind what I just said. Oh and since everyone is fabricating evidence from witnesses, I can assure you the fact that the suspect tried to stab me in the neck with a knife and then proceeded to shoot.

A simple post stating he was heavily armed would have been enough, if this was the case ask other officers on scene to make a statment regarding this and post it here
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: David Gonzalez on January 24, 2015, 19:21:49 pm
A Conclusion of this report will be posted shortly.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: JoshThePenguin on January 24, 2015, 20:39:25 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?

You must be lucky if you make a screenshot right on the moment you fire the weapon.
I am not a part of this but I just want to mention it, the screenshot indeed gives a clear view that you had the opportunity to shoot him when you were aiming at him.
A weapon like a shotgun isn't needed in such situation when he's on the ground already.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN
Post by: TiMoN on January 24, 2015, 20:53:41 pm
Screenshots show you with your combat shotgun which is a heavy weapon which is not needed on a unarmed suspect
"Not needed" doesn't mean a "not allowed". Can you prove the fact that I used it on anyone?

You must be lucky if you make a screenshot right on the moment you fire the weapon.
I am not a part of this but I just want to mention it, the screenshot indeed gives a clear view that you had the opportunity to shoot him when you were aiming at him.
A weapon like a shotgun isn't needed in such situation when he's on the ground already.
Too bad he can't prove it.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: JoshThePenguin on January 24, 2015, 20:55:02 pm
He already has proven it with the screenshots.
But I'm not allowed to post here, so good luck.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: TiMoN on January 24, 2015, 21:03:50 pm
He already has proven it with the screenshots.
But I'm not allowed to post here, so good luck.
His screenshots prove nothing, however Mathew's show me AIMING at him which I have explained why.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: Jake Parker on January 24, 2015, 22:25:03 pm
He already has proven it with the screenshots.
But I'm not allowed to post here, so good luck.
His screenshots prove nothing, however Mathew's show me AIMING at him which I have explained why.
Aiming with a combat shotgun on a unarmed suspext which is already into costudy is enough to charge you after a clear warning.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: TiMoN on January 25, 2015, 11:57:18 am
He already has proven it with the screenshots.
But I'm not allowed to post here, so good luck.
His screenshots prove nothing, however Mathew's show me AIMING at him which I have explained why.
Aiming with a combat shotgun on a unarmed suspext which is already into costudy is enough to charge you after a clear warning.
He wasn't in custody as he attempted to murder me. I was "warned" after the situation, don't give me bullshit.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: Jake Parker on January 25, 2015, 12:02:56 pm
The suspect was on thr ground as you see, sean or skynet called me in the situation as it was a mess. When i arrived the suspect was laying an like 1minute later brought to the PD i even mentioned in the radio " i guess i missed alot " so what do you mean met dont give me bullshit? This can be traced in the chatlogs.
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: David Gonzalez on January 25, 2015, 14:51:56 pm
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San Andreas Police Department
25/01/2015


STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On the January 22, 2015 at 17:32:01 pm a report was submitted by Jake Parker as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.
Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
- Lieutenant Celso Williams

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

-- Officer TiMoN is being punished for the use of Heavy weapons in a circumstance where such were not needed.
-- Also being punished for aiming such heavy weapons at a suspect who is clearly not showing any signs of resistance but instead signs of surrender ( Being on the ground ), and also aiming heavy weapons around like their toys, as it can be seen on an picture above, he was aiming his weapon around, maybe even towards fellow officers even if that's the case or not it's still misuse of weapons. ( Only aim at what you wanna shoot )

-- In conclusion, officer TiMoN will be punished accordingly to his actions, and will receive a four (4) day cop ban.

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to a Deputy Chief/Chief via the ARPD Forum PM and we might reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.


Signed,
Lieutenant Celso Williams
Title: Re: [SAPD Complaint] - TiMoN [Celso Williams]
Post by: Rusty. on January 25, 2015, 15:32:07 pm
Outcome reverted, no copban will be issued.
Warning to be given about usage of the Combat Shotgun.
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