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Title: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: [Rstar]CBFASI on June 08, 2009, 13:10:55 pm
After an hour long meeting within some of the command staff we have decided to return to my original concept of Undercover rights..



The Lieutenant rank was brought in as the rank where they would be trusted to carry out work and missions without senoir guideance, this would include the right to go undercover, which also applies to ranks above Lieutenant.

This rank is given to those we deem fit to be at that post and is unlike any other rank, its can be entered direct from ANY lower trained rank.
This means anyone from Officer to Sergeant can be selected for this.

All SAPD command staff will be involved in this selection so NO badgering them for access, do that and you will likely get blacklisted, as in NEVER get access to Undercover rights.



This means 99% of all current undercover staff will have the right REVOKED, we have only 1 Lieutenant at the moment.



As we cannot garanteee removing all the rights as required I will actualy change script to force this.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Tovenaarke on June 08, 2009, 13:27:04 pm
Means I need to revoke all UR from now on as admin?
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: [R*]Pancher on June 08, 2009, 13:57:22 pm
If you have the command to remove UC rights do so, but write down the names and send a list of all cops you removed UC rights from to me.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Tovenaarke on June 08, 2009, 14:00:16 pm
Noted
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: [Rstar]CBFASI on June 08, 2009, 18:04:06 pm
Rank removal will NOT be automated as that will mess up the non-SAPD undercovers, this means expect to see it removed by senior staff
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Carbon on June 08, 2009, 21:32:14 pm
Wow, it's the best idea!
Good job guys!
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Inkognito. on June 09, 2009, 09:08:51 am
Idea is very nice :) Although as far as I understood, you don't have to reach the Seargeant rank in order to be Lieutenent :) Idea is nice, guys :P
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Bianconeri on June 09, 2009, 13:28:47 pm
does it says you have to be Sgt. to get lt. then?
i dont think you have to, see Jay, from senior to lt.

its good to see thats being watched good, so none can abuse it
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Altair_Carter on June 09, 2009, 16:10:47 pm
does it says you have to be Sgt. to get lt. then?
i dont think you have to, see Jay, from senior to lt.

its good to see thats being watched good, so none can abuse it

He's Capt now.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Bianconeri on June 09, 2009, 17:05:48 pm
i know that lol, but he was LT first, for short time
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Mario_Rinna on June 09, 2009, 17:26:16 pm
Excellent idea.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on June 09, 2009, 19:07:28 pm
Bian, re-read the first post. It says any rank Officer and above can be directly promoted to it.

@CBFasi: Regarding undercover agencies, is it possible for any single-case scenarios where exceptions to this rule can be made on a case by case basis?
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Bianconeri on June 09, 2009, 19:46:24 pm
re-read what i said then :) its not me who said that
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on June 10, 2009, 05:53:13 am
re-read what i said then :) its not me who said that
does it says you have to be Sgt. to get lt. then?
i dont think you have to, see Jay, from senior to lt.

its good to see thats being watched good, so none can abuse it
Right...
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Bianconeri on June 10, 2009, 15:12:32 pm
sugar what i said was as response on someone else,
note the ? at the back
else i wouldnt give an example of senior to lt.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on June 11, 2009, 06:47:21 am
You wrote it as one sentence, implying the whole thing is a question. If you wanted to make it a statement followed by a question, you should have capitalized the first letter of the word "then" in the question part. I'm sorry but that was a huge fail on your part. :cop:
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Bianconeri on June 11, 2009, 08:42:10 am
no its not a fail, you failed to read it well   ;)

but lets just get on topic, pm me if you got anything more  :)
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on June 11, 2009, 19:09:21 pm
*Cough* Lies...

CBFasi, is there any chance of a single-case scenario where exceptions can be made, such as when an undercover operation by officers is taking place?
For example, sting operations, spy games, undercover traffic police, assisting federal agents, drug deals, etc.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Obikankenwalker on June 30, 2009, 14:27:11 pm
Forgive me if i go off subject.
*Cough* Lies...

CBFasi, is there any chance of a single-case scenario where exceptions can be made, such as when an undercover operation by officers is taking place?
For example, sting operations, spy games, undercover traffic police, assisting federal agents, drug deals, etc.
If scripted, perhaps Officers could ask permission from admins to gain a one off time to go UC for those situations. Maybe the admin would need confirmation from any accompanying officers/cops, to make sure its not abused, or watch to make sure.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on June 30, 2009, 20:40:10 pm
Well I can see that happening, but I'm referring more to permanent rights for certain officers. For example, SATC has an undercover unit within it's subdivision. Without these rights, our troopers are forced to patrol off-duty and report their findings to on-duty units, making them highly unsuccessful unless an on-duty officer is already working with them.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: ElMartu on June 30, 2009, 22:01:39 pm
I thought SATCU HAD to work with a on-duty officer...
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Chief J. Schappell on July 01, 2009, 18:24:45 pm
Nothing official requires it. Yes, to suspect someone they'd have to, but other than that not much can be done right now due to this change.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: smey on July 01, 2009, 20:28:21 pm
I thought SATCU HAD to work with a on-duty officer...

Correct!
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Wayne on July 02, 2009, 02:28:57 am
if we do have too much undercover officers, players will start whining
If we lack of undercover officers, we're probably going to miss accurate information about suspect.
if suspect takes to court, we'll probably lack of evidence.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: [Rstar]CBFASI on July 10, 2009, 12:49:08 pm
For special operations we may give an officer undercover rights, but whole whole units, no.

If you create a unit that  you think should all have undercover rights, then think the fact that you NEED to recruit members at Lieutenant rank, and since there are so few at the moment then you will have problems.

The privilage of undercover rights is one that is NEW to RS4 so think about how units did it before, it actually has less risk the older method as you can be more easily caught using RS4 undercover system.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: Obikankenwalker on July 14, 2009, 12:10:33 pm
So being given a permission slip from admins for one off situations is being planned?
Or did i misread...
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: [Rstar]Vince on July 14, 2009, 17:19:55 pm
So being given a permission slip from admins for one off situations is being planned?
Or did i misread...
Not from admins... From high ranked SAPD
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: [Rstar]CBFASI on July 14, 2009, 20:08:34 pm
So being given a permission slip from admins for one off situations is being planned?
Or did i misread...

Admins have nothing to do with this, only SAPD Command level Staff.
Title: Re: ORIGINAL intentions and FUTURE of Undercover rights
Post by: jemerson on July 16, 2009, 03:15:33 am
Receieved
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