Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: [R*]Pancher on July 29, 2009, 01:39:42 am
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The most important word you all need to know about!! RESPECT
To make a good community you need to show RESPECT too everyone, your friends, to the new guys, to the old guys, to higher and lower ranks and even to the people you hate!!
SAPD Command staff do NOT tolerate any kind of flaming towards anyone what so ever rank or what ever it can be related to. Any breach of the Argonath Main Rules will result in punishment for an SAPD employee or applicant. If needed we will not only take action as leader of SAPD but also as admins if the situation requires it!
SAPD officers should show the same respect they give to the higher ranks as to the lower ranks, same for everyone, RESPECT everyone EVEN if you dislike the way someone work or do something on. Try to improve and help those you see need the help or the bad things that exist!
I will be much stricter with all SAPD employees that break any Argonath Server rule, i want and need everyone who is an employed of the SAPD to give us good reputation and show that we are something good, not a bunch of flamers, death matchers or what ever people can find in us. If you do not agree with the Argonath Server rules and SAPD guide lines feel free to resign if you cannot try to help us improve and be better as a force and friends!
SAPD is a part of ARPD, FBI is a part of ARPD, SAPD is not above the FBI. FBI is not above the SAPD. The point is we should ALL work as a team, we are on the SAME side! Someone does something bad? tell him what he did and help him not make the same mistake again IN an friendly way. Respect everyone what so ever rank! Co-operate with each others and keep an open communication with each others and you can sort the most things.
If i need I WILL be the pain up your A**! :evil:
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Win.
Couldn't have said it better. :app:
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Just a little bit of R E S P E C T, FIND OUT WHAT IT MEANS TO ME! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA)
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We have respect...
but we need order in rules.
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Very well said Chief Pancher.
We have respect...
but we need order in rules.
Definately.
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Just a little bit of R E S P E C T, FIND OUT WHAT IT MEANS TO ME! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA)
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Noted! Although some arrogant FBI members better read this to!
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Noted! Although some arrogant FBI members better read this to!
A copy of this post is in FBI forum. Also a few new rules to help stop flame is in place. Severe punishments will be done if any are caught.
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FBI is a part of ARPD, SAPD is not above the FBI. FBI is not above the SAPD.
This is so directed towards me :rofl:
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
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I already read this :redface:
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Thats some good words. :app:
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
Agreed
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
Agreed
Agreeing aswell, people earn respect. It isn't a christmas gift. If people are acting like the biggest pain in my bottom they won't get respect, i don't tolerate such behaviour.
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Well Writen,and yes i agree what we need is to show respect to others.
Signed,
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
Agreed
Agreeing aswell, people earn respect. It isn't a christmas gift. If people are acting like the biggest pain in my bottom they won't get respect, i don't tolerate such behaviour.
Agreed.
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Yes, i know what you say :P, i flaming so much in the public chat, as i angry about some, then say i it direct.... But yes respect everyone: "Free-Officers, Security Guards, Cadets, Citizen, New citizen, etc.", point ;). :cop:
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respect is indeed very important
at this moment almost nobody got any respect for freecops, no matter if that freecop you see did anything to you
all freecops are seen the same: [censored]s and abusers
the way i do it is much easier on that
everyone has my respect, ppl i dont know ofc less then others
and as long as he/she isnt breaking rules, abusing things he/she will keep my respect
and this goes for all ranks within ARPD also
that im Sergeant and higher then most doesnt means i dont have to respect the lower ranked then me,
every rank has to respect every other rank, from Security guads to the Chief
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Well, agreed, we need to give freecops respect, but if we tell them not to abuse their right to use their commands for exemple and they refuse to listen and continue well then they shouldn't count on our respect to them..
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Respect is earnt not given. You can't respect someone who is a total dick. Neither can you respect free officers that do not listen to your countless efforts to make them better cops. The only people that should be respected are those who have earnt it and shown this.
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
That's the big point people says, "You earn it from me".. That's partly bullshit.. Everyone should be respected for individual he or she is, even if someone is retarded, dumb or an f**king asshole they should still be RESPECTED!!!
If you cannot give respect or respect everyone then YOU will not get any respect back.. We are all humans and we are all unique, respect that. NO ONE IS PERFECT!!
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Well, I respect everyone. BUT: He can either screw it up or gain even more respect.
Screwing it up would be like DMing me, carkilling me or w/e.
Gaining respect would be showing great skill and trying to learn...
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
That's the big point people says, "You earn it from me".. That's partly bullshit.. Everyone should be respected for individual he or she is, even if someone is retarded, dumb or an f**king asshole they should still be RESPECTED!!!
If you cannot give respect or respect everyone then YOU will not get any respect back.. We are all humans and we are all unique, respect that. NO ONE IS PERFECT!!
I think what is meant by that is more you respect everyone but if people abuse it gets taken away.
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If you want respect, you have to give respect...
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If you want respect, you have to give respect...
That is a great way of putting it. :cop:
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If you want respect, you have to give respect...
Word. You can't buy it or sell it either.
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Respect is something you earn from me. Not something I just give.
That's the big point people says, "You earn it from me".. That's partly bullshit.. Everyone should be respected for individual he or she is, even if someone is retarded, dumb or an f**king asshole they should still be RESPECTED!!!
If you cannot give respect or respect everyone then YOU will not get any respect back.. We are all humans and we are all unique, respect that. NO ONE IS PERFECT!!
Perfectly said Chief
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T :D :app:
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Some Quotes
“Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you.”
“Treat others as you want them to treat you because what goes around comes around”
“I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being.”
hope that helps :gandalf:
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thanks pancher i will respect you and others as possible!!
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I was respecting everyone ... just was hating a bit the freecops but they change to better time by time ... But i started to change my mind .. i was driving from Las Venturas on the road! with my infernus ... then a cop from the other side of the road turned the sirens on started to wreckless drive pulled me over ... suspected for wreckless driving and started to say :
- /send 19 50 and i unsuspect you!
- Called a sergeant case resolved payed the fee...
But is this how is these days .. money cops ? He was afraid i would run ? He can always su i don't get the point .. i think he wanted even to jail me + get some profit ... Soo after this case ..changed my mind ... freecops = moneycops.
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Well most free cops are not going to know how the server works, and what do you do in all servers? Get money. These people are most likely coming from a server like Cops and Robbers where this is what you do. This is where you PM them and try to help/train these people. Never have my members been so busy teaching other people how to play the game. We are on the side of the road teaching and preaching the rules to new free officers and community members. If someone does not have a license I am their AVDS teacher for that day xD I am teaching them everything they need to know about driving. Then they leave the server and never come back but still at least I did my best. Thats all I can recommend.
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I remember some volunteer officers ... teached them ... trained them for some days every day dedicated my samp time to them ... after the training finished next day im going off-duty to do some things ... to relax ... i just went off duty went to my house i see 3 PD cruisers after me with freecops suspecting me for some unknown reason can't remember assault or something and jail me from the streets ( it was bugged jail earlier ) ...
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Maybe if you read that topic you guys ( especially the higher ranks xD ) will listen to and pickup poor Freecops as me when their stuck in some County
:D :D :D :D :D
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Maybe if you read that topic you guys ( especially the higher ranks xD ) will listen to and pickup poor Freecops as me when their stuck in some County
:D :D :D :D :D
I don't know if it was you (I think so. Antoni_Hawk or something?), but there had been a freecop calling for a pickup for almost 15 minutes. No one responded. I was busy with an investigation, and went there after it. He was still waiting, and everybody just ignored him! If Pancher would've standed there, asking for a pickup, he would get 5 cars within 1 minute... I understand the chief gets more respect than the freecops, but they shouldn't be ignored.
- Sergeant Thomas 'Leroy' Crof
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We are not babysitters?
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We are not babysitters?
If you mean by that that you don't have to pick up freecops, then wtf?!
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same as thomas lol, we should patrol or at least give them a ride back to LSPD or where they want
but respect, easy enough:
everyone got my respect in the begin, and then you can screw this up or just increase it
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I understand it wrong I think.
I thought he meant he wants us to pickup every freecop that is lost in Bone county or something.
Think of how it goes in real life, dont complain to much, look at your own actions and think of them after youve done them... And never put yourself in front of everyone.
DO NOT THINK you can handle every situation alone. SAPD is about teamwork, if you think you will die, ask for that backup! Even if your a freecop.
And also when your patrolling, when someone is asking for backup for example a code 3, or even a 30 or purple, you should stop all minor situations like stops or speed traps at once...
A life is in danger, go help him!
In my opinion, the response to a normal backup call is TO low!
I, myself, learned being a cop by thinking and doing. Mostly i learned it on my own... By making mistakes and by that learning and learning.
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In my opinion, the response to a normal backup call is TO low!
You full right!
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In my opinion, the response to a normal backup call is TO low!
Agreed.. I cba to ask for backup backup anymore just because I never get any.
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In my opinion, the response to a normal backup call is TO low!
You full right!
Not fully... It's TOO low :rofl:
But yeah, I rarely see people respond to a code 3. This is also because a few freecops don't know the codes and don't get what you mean.
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Respect, respect, respect.
http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=206.msg1107#msg1107
It seems like some SAPD Members have been discriminating on FBI Members / Cadets, so I hope that the said SAPD Members will change their ways before they suffer another pain in their ass.
...SAPD officers should show the same respect they give to the higher ranks as to the lower ranks, same for everyone, RESPECT everyone EVEN if you dislike the way someone work or do something on. Try to improve and help those you see need the help or the bad things that exist!...
I am not saying that all SAPD Members discriminate on FBI, neither am I pointing fingers at SAPD Members who have not done so.
-FBI C. Division Assistant =AV=JDC_Kolta
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May I remind that that also counts for FBI agents who think they stand above the law? Driving around in Bullets, interfering with traffic stops, and so on ..
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Yes, it also counts for FBI Agents.
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In my opinion, the response to a normal backup call is TO low!
You full right!
Not fully... It's TOO low :rofl:
But yeah, I rarely see people respond to a code 3. This is also because a few freecops don't know the codes and don't get what you mean.
This is why I made SRU - Special response units. To help units get backup, I hope it improves backup calls..
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Win.
Couldn't have said it better. :app:
+1.
Because I'm a freecop I have to follow orders, sometimes those orders dont make sense. I am covering an officer who is speaking to a suspect- this is proper SAPD procedure and I get sprayed by him, even after I explain I am covering him.
It's like some officers think all freecops are newbs and have not even attempted to read procedures.
I respect all ;) , but when someone suspects me when im off duty head in my own patriot which he said I stole ... and ticketed me for... that is we're respect goes. And Now, I have lost allot of respect for the SAPD Captain or who ever who promoted a freecop who may RP good but doesnt follow the rules and murders /gu etc.
I am really sadened today :hit:
But anyway "R-e-s-e-c-p-t" :D...
In my opinion, the response to a normal backup call is TO low!
You full right!
But yeah, I rarely see people respond to a code 3. This is also because a few freecops don't know the codes and don't get what you mean.
Erm. I dont want to burst your bubble but...
I called a code 3 at LVPD area and there was officers there fast, even freecops :D.
Its a shame one cop got htere first and killed the suspects. :hah:
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There have been several incidents of SAPD Members (including high-ranked ones) insulting or provoking FBI Members on the police radio, especially in kidnappings. What on f**king earth happened to the word "Respect"?
We will not hesitate to collect screenshots from such incidents and use them as evidence in complaints, remember that.
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Keep in mind guys - From now on - If think a 207 can be solved via giving money.. Okay, be everyone's guest and pay yourself, as FBI sure as hell aren't spoon feeding money-hungry criminals.
Also notice - If you're gonna run in with a few of your buddies, thinking you can kill all kidnappers when outnumbered, and NOT using a bit of teamwork.. You WILL be treated as a criminal. We WILL automatically suspect you for attempted murder, and use LETHAL force if that is the means of stopping you from running in.
That didn't happen recently. But it did happen on two occasions. Just a warning just in case you even THINK about doing something as stupid as that.
And the MAIN cause of all this commotion, is simply - People tend to make 207s a BIIG DEAL. Simply because of this -
Hostage dies, he loses like 200-600 dollars, and his guns. Yeah, not such a big deal, it's not the end of the damn world. We ALL die in argonath.. from accidents, to shootouts. But we keep going don't we?
And if you pay like 100k, hostage is saved.. BUT
1. You just more than likely paid for the criminals to buy more guns and make ANOTHER 207 some day, and ENCOURAGING them to keep doing it as then they will feel immortal.
2. All you get in return is the hostage saving 200-600 bucks.
I'm not saying we should not stop going to 207s. It's ALWAYS worth ATTEMPTING to save hostage via negotiation, or assault if needed. But you should NEVER pay UNLESS the money is guaranteed to be returned if kidnappers are caught.
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Well Chase, There is the possibility of regaining the money back, Happened tons of times with me, And, I believe it is totally wrong that FBI decides to always not pay, Because, We can't always win...Sometimes it is needed..
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How is it needed? Paying over 100k just to have someone save a few hundred bucks, and at the same time encouraging criminals to keep doing it? Yes theres a possibility to get it back, via court. And if that happens, court will be flooded with cases, and if the criminals spend it too fast.. it will take a long time for them to pay it back.
You think it's wrong? I'll tell you whats wrong. Giving GOVERNMENT MONEY to CRIMINALS so they can continue doing it 100 times a week like they usually do.
If you wanna pay - Fine, do it, but FBI will not contribute government money to DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
I believe the best way to go about this is hard tactical training, or finding ways to trick criminals.
Giving money to them is like giving money to a child every time he's bad.
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How is it needed? Paying over 100k just to have someone save a few hundred bucks, and at the same time encouraging criminals to keep doing it? Yes theres a possibility to get it back, via court. And if that happens, court will be flooded with cases, and if the criminals spend it too fast.. it will take a long time for them to pay it back.
You think it's wrong? I'll tell you whats wrong. Giving GOVERNMENT MONEY to CRIMINALS so they can continue doing it 100 times a week like they usually do.
If you wanna pay - Fine, do it, but FBI will not contribute government money to DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
I believe the best way to go about this is hard tactical training, or finding ways to trick criminals.
Giving money to them is like giving money to a child every time he's bad.
Its the PRINCIPLE of saving the guys life. I dont give a shit hwo much money th ehostage saved. Its the priciple of the job of an Officer of the law. To SErve and Protect. Ok so this all may be a game. But id rather give up pretend money to save pretend lives then watch someoen die when we could f saved him.
Today for example i gave out 60k to hostage takers because there was no other way of saving him. He Was saved. I dont care that i lost 60k Of my OWN money. because we saved that guys life. Simple
Lt. Syn
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I remember CBF saying something a while ago in SAMP Ideas about having scripted money suitcases, that are dropped if kidnappers are killed or arrested.
Now until such a system is released, best thing to do is review kidnapper's steps, find out what he lacks, and exploit his flaw.
We MAY consider giving money if we are 100 percent sure that kidnappers have executed their plan professionally and successfully, which is rare, but can happen. If that's the case, we will have a court case on kidnappers in seconds after they are arrested or killed. If they're arrested, they will face charges on the terroristic level. But afterwards, we will review step by step, what kidnappers have done, and develop tactics to exploit their ways when it happens again..
Everyone somewhat happy now?
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And I thought the Most important was to save the hostage, I do agree, It does sucks to pay to criminals, But if there's no other way, I do incourage paying, And the money can be recovered if the officers are able to catch the suspects, if they evade or hide the money in RP, That's it. And yah. I gave that idea once, And yes, I do agree with that...
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You think it's wrong? I'll tell you whats wrong. Giving GOVERNMENT MONEY to CRIMINALS so they can continue doing it 100 times a week like they usually do.
Watch 'The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3'.
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Well Chase, There is the possibility of regaining the money back, Happened tons of times with me, And, I believe it is totally wrong that FBI decides to always not pay, Because, We can't always win...Sometimes it is needed..
Who says we arent? I am trying to safe as much lifes as i can, i agree with 50k-, but if it goes 50k+, i wont pay. Simple.
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The long story made short: If we pay, we give them the money to do it again, so we make the Government fund even more kidnapping operations.