Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: TinMan on July 16, 2010, 09:16:31 am
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[This was Written Months Ago But Still Useful]
Introduction:
Hi, I am Senior Officer TinMan and I worked in the Department of LSPD for 6 months. Doing traffic stops and pursuits can be a stressful thing you can do. You can be paranoid easily and just kill everyone because you don’t want to take any more risks. I don’t believe that should be the answer because we are here to serve and protect the citizen of Argonath.
Traffic stop:
The traffic stops with mafias are very hard to deal with because they either have 2 or more in their car with full armor, combat, m4, and semi-machine-gun (smg). Let's say you pulled over a mafia that was driving a sultan for reckless driving. First thing you should do is call in backup on the radio until you have 2 or more cops. Then you should step out of the car and start the traffic stop. During the traffic stop, let's say one of them got out. I would immediately shout and aim towards the civilian to get back inside the car. Whenever a civilian exits the car without your permission it is a big threat. Then the passenger might be a smart ass by rolling down his window and shooting you. Those two can be minor issues if they can be avoided. Another thing about a traffic stop is that you might have other people trying to interrupt it by ramming you or possibly try to shoot you. Always check your radar and look around you at all times that’s so no one can come up behind you. One time I had a civilian come up to me with a knife and cut my head off. That really made my day, so if you want to have a day without dying all ways check for oncoming situations. Traffic stops are fast and easy if we take the right procedures.
Pursuit Tip:
The pursuits are extremely dangerous you may crash into a lot of things. Let's say you are in that pursuit with mafias driving their buffalo with 1 passenger inside shooting while the other one is driving. You’ll have a heck of a time trying to stop them. After your hard work they managed to flip their own vehicle, one mafia member runs to the left and the other one has their hands in the air. You already have 3 units on the other guy. What do you do?
You wouldn't go out for the guy that is running because you already have 3 units running after him. What I would do is not get close to the suspect with his hands in the air. They always have their combat in there ass waiting for you to approach them. If you do this will happen…./me cuffs th
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! You’re dead.
Avoid getting shot by doing this:
A) Type /em /gu or This is the police surrender!
B) Approach slowly with pepper spray to the suspect
C) Spray the suspect if they pull out a weapon, start to run, or doesn't comply. (Sometimes if you stop spraying the suspect make sure you have another unit out with a desert eagle. Because if you stop spraying or run out of spray, they will most likely attempt to shoot you with their combat.)
D) If so, take cover immediately, call for back up, and try to defend yourself until backup arrives.
(This doesn't apply to every suspect only the dangerous suspect that is killing cops)
Always be cautious whenever you approach a suspect with hands in the air. It is extremely dangerous. The reason is that they usually have combat waiting in their asses.
If they aren't much of a threat (no weapons or anything) and they have hands in the air, just role-play the cuffing. If they say in /em Resists the cuffing. Then spray him or beat him up with the nightstick until he complies or surrenders. The main reason why they resist is because they don’t want to surrender, yet. They still want to continue the hot pursuit and try to evade the cops. At that time when you are seeing the symptoms of the suspect resisting or stalling there possibly waiting for a person picking them up. To avoid these things always check your radar and keep an officer stand by. Then spray or use non-lethal weapons on him until he surrenders. If the suspect escapes you are back to square one…the pursuit.
Suspect Surrenders:
Once the suspect surrenders get him into a car always be alert of the suspect in the back of your car. He might be hiding something from you or doing something bad when you’re not paying any attention. Eventually, you’ll make your way to the police department. If the suspect is really pissed off, he has combat in hands, and no administrators online. Just take the protocol that he might do something stupid or rule break. We all know the rules that you can’t attack after they surrender, but if no one is watching they will attempt it. It doesn’t happen very much but sometimes you have to watch out. I am just stating this because I don’t want anything officers getting killed this way.
Conclusion:
I know that these tips are kind of old, but I like to make this stuff aware to the new members. When I first started, I had to learn everything by scratch. Hopefully, they can look at it and just be aware of this kind of stuff. We all hate it when they evade, shoot us, and even murder us. That is because we aren’t taking the right steps or procedures. Every reason why cops get killed can be avoided by taking the right actions and following orders.
I hope that we can take this into consideration and we can also discuss about stuff like this. If you have a tip or something that can help ARPD out alot please post it below and we can also discuss that.
Thank you for reading.
Signed,
Sr. Officer TinMan
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Whenever I am in a situation when suspects surrender, I'd force them to make them lay down while I have my gun out and aiming at him. I suppose it's effective..
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Whenever I am in a situation when suspects surrender, I'd force them to make them lay down while I have my gun out and aiming at him. I suppose it's effective..
Yea that can work to. There are alot of ways to avoid it. I just prefer approaching them with spray that's so I know he can't move.
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Overall, great post. Should help in certain cases.
:app:
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I always carry combat shotgun and armour, and I rarely get killed in 1 v 1 gun fight which includes combat. It's a lot harder on 2 v 1 so it's just best to stand back and call backup.
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Criminals don't dare pull a gun on me! :box:
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I always carry combat shotgun and armour, and I rarely get killed in 1 v 1 gun fight which includes combat. It's a lot harder on 2 v 1 so it's just best to stand back and call backup.
Yep. Especially if it is 2 Gvardias that can call more backup on there own.
Criminals don't dare pull a gun on me! :box:
Yea we know kirby... :D
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I always carry combat shotgun and armour, and I rarely get killed in 1 v 1 gun fight which includes combat. It's a lot harder on 2 v 1 so it's just best to stand back and call backup.
combat - bad
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Combat isn't bad you just have to know how to use it. It is good for those laggy people, and I know another trick that beats laggy people.
Combat= Good, but it is a weapon and you can't blame it. It's the people that use the weapon.
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I am one of those guys who don't use pepperspray or don't care about /gu ever. In the situation outlined I would try to shout sense into them. I may even throw my cuffs to them and tell them to put them on themselves. Otherwise I may threaten to shoot their legs clean off (and may do this) to dissuade them from fighting or running.
Sometimes shit happens of course, but it is a more fun experience for myself and the criminal player when things go well.
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I am one of those guys who don't use pepperspray or don't care about /gu ever. In the situation outlined I would try to shout sense into them. I may even throw my cuffs to them and tell them to put them on themselves. Otherwise I may threaten to shoot their legs clean off (and may do this) to dissuade them from fighting or running.
Sometimes shit happens of course, but it is a more fun experience for myself and the criminal player when things go well.
I wouldn't just shoot sense into them people now days are F8 trigger happy, and if they see you doing that without warning that you are going to shoot that is considered as SAPD Corruption.
Lol throw cuffs at them and tell them to cuff themselves. <---That's funny
I understand that some people don't use pepper spray, and there are alot of ways to approach this scene for like Elite Term stated he could just take them all and call backup just incase he needs help. But, you know everyone has there own opinion. :cop:
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If i'm going to shoot someone in the leg, of course I will warn them first, to give them the chance to RP getting shot in the leg - or what would be the point in aiming for the leg in the first place?
Cops can be too intimidating and too many have the attitude "I am the all powerful cop, do as I say or die". I try give them RP options and not all involve me winning, but I get more fun out of it anyway.
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Yea, I understand Jcstodds. I am mostly talking about Gvardia people now if it was someone else it is fine. But Gvardia has hands in the air and then pull a combat out of there ass and just shoot without even making an effort to roleplay. Cops are just getting paranoid with that I would be like do as I say or die. You know what I mean?
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Tinman i am glad you never used "RP" and "Gvardia" in the same sentence
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No, nowadays they ain't even doing the /hail + combat shotgun trick, they're now screaming ''f**k off I don't want to RP with DMers.''
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No, nowadays they ain't even doing the /hail + combat shotgun trick, they're now screaming ''f**k off I don't want to RP with DMers.''
The Gvardia's do both whatever they prefer to do. They are just both type of ways for them to stall that's so they can call there buddies for a ride.
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Gvardias are just the criminal version of the majority of cops, perhaps even a little better.
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No, nowadays they ain't even doing the /hail + combat shotgun trick, they're now screaming ''f**k off I don't want to RP with DMers.''
The Gvardia's do both whatever they prefer to do. They are just both type of ways for them to stall that's so they can call there buddies for a ride.
Not a good idea to insult every Gvardia member on a public forum
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Quit the gvardia talk before i talk with your department leader.
these words can get you fired from sapd, or even, banned from server!
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HI GVARDIA
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HI GVARDIA
Did you read what i wrote? i hope your not messing with my words.
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HI GVARDIA
Did you read what i wrote? i hope your not messing with my words.
Yes. We have to be fully aware of these conditions. It isn't only those people it's almost like the whole server is doing it.
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Chasing suspects is almost never roleplayed anymore unless you RPed with the person and the subsequent suspection yourself. To be honest, /suspect kills most roleplay. Oh, I almost forgot, pepperspray is the lamest way to take down an armed suspect.
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Yea, I understand Jcstodds. I am mostly talking about Gvardia people now if it was someone else it is fine. But Gvardia has hands in the air and then pull a combat out of there ass and just shoot without even making an effort to roleplay. Cops are just getting paranoid with that I would be like do as I say or die. You know what I mean?
I feel your pain, I've had a few of these people [not Gvardia BTW] do the same trick on me... Another thing, these guys wouldn't wanna get killed right, so they use ANY trick in the book to save their skin. [Pragmatism FTW] I do understand why they won't go quietly tho, I do it whenever Araatus has something planned =].
No, nowadays they ain't even doing the /hail + combat shotgun trick, they're now screaming ''f**k off I don't want to RP with DMers.''
Then we'll just have to prove to them that we ain't DMers...
Yea, I understand Jcstodds. I am mostly talking about Gvardia people now if it was someone else it is fine. But Gvardia has hands in the air and then pull a combat out of there ass and just shoot without even making an effort to roleplay. Cops are just getting paranoid with that I would be like do as I say or die. You know what I mean?
There's fault on both sides either way, IMO one way to fix this is to make an active effort to have all LSPD Units RP. [Not that there isn't.] I'm sure you've seen a few units suddenly suspect a guy, come running towards him with a gun drawn or even start shooting with no warning. Like I said, if we can prove to them that we aren't DMers then maybe they'll follow as well.
Chasing suspects is almost never roleplayed anymore unless you RPed with the person and the subsequent suspection yourself. To be honest, /suspect kills most roleplay. Oh, I almost forgot, pepperspray is the lamest way to take down an armed suspect.
Squeak, you wouldn't happen to be in Araatus now would you? And you do everything you can to live, LONG LIVE PRAGMATISM so SPRAY AWAY!!
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/m1 *they pulls over* *knocks window* *drives away suddenly*
*suspect hobo guy for fighting* *they takes out combat from ass and blasts cop*
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/m1 *they pulls over* *knocks window* *drives away suddenly*
*suspect hobo guy for fighting* *they takes out combat from ass and blasts cop*
you forgot *reports to admins* *gets reported* *gets punished* *moans on public chat* *crys to Gandalf* *starts a fight with admins* *hates admins*
This really reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: , like a boss
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Squeak, you wouldn't happen to be in Araatus now would you? And you do everything you can to live, LONG LIVE PRAGMATISM so SPRAY AWAY!!
Everything other than spraying someone in a gunfight.
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I usually rape them in the arse, giving them a hard time to walk...
I know that I can take one (sometimes multiple, depending on their skill) heavily armed criminal with just my deagle. Therefor, I usually don't take time to call for backup or anything. I just wait for them to /gu or to make one wrong move... ;)
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Most of situations for me, pepper spray is useful, I do prefer arresting a suspect than killing him, however, not all times this happens.
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Gvardias are just the criminal version of the majority of cops, perhaps even a little better.
Sir, it is
Not a good idea to insult every Gvardia member on a public forum
didyouseewhatididthere
I usually rape them in the arse, giving them a hard time to walk...
Do you finish the job and Squeak their Fernando?
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Preventative measures, everyone seems to have their own solutions, mix of all of them maybe? I think back up is the best option and then approach while backup is behind cover. etc.
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I usually rape them in the arse, giving them a hard time to walk...
Do you finish the job and Squeak their Fernando?
Classified information :lol:
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Tinman, Is our bet still on xD ;)
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No, nowadays they ain't even doing the /hail + combat shotgun trick, they're now screaming ''f**k off I don't want to RP with DMers.''
The Gvardia's do both whatever they prefer to do. They are just both type of ways for them to stall that's so they can call there buddies for a ride.
Not a good idea to insult every Gvardia member on a public forum
Oh please, what he said is barely insulting, compared to the amount of shit talked about us behind our backs.
Quit the gvardia talk before i talk with your department leader.
these words can get you fired from sapd, or even, banned from server!
The same goes for you, there is no flaming involved and people are allowed to express their opinions. Especially if they can say whatever they'd like (even in other languages!) on their topic.
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The same goes for you, there is no flaming involved and people are allowed to express their opinions. Especially if they can say whatever they'd like (even in other languages!) on their topic.
No you may not Wayne... English only By that Wayne I was speaking sarcastically.. meaning they flame us and speak in different languages we can't understand. - Vince
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In any event, the general public views us as abusive, corrupt, and a tad too triggerhappy. Same goes for their side. Pray that this crisis will blow over.
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This will never blow over. The only way to get the city under control is to make a new weapons system limiting the access to vto civilians. With that law in place will be the restrictions on being a free officer. However, both of these necessary actions will never be taken. Basically what i am trying to say is that we can make efforts to lower crime but.. it will never be at a stable level.
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I think the SRU are responsible for reducing crime, but of course there'll always been criminals on the streets.
With SRU on duty, the active suspects are killed or arrested and then left with no active suspects and very little crime being committed with SRU on patrol.
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This will never blow over. The only way to get the city under control is to make a new weapons system limiting the access to vto civilians. With that law in place will be the restrictions on being a free officer. However, both of these necessary actions will never be taken. Basically what i am trying to say is that we can make efforts to lower crime but.. it will never be at a stable level.
Then we'll just have to make due with what we've got.
(BTW. No more D Eagle for me, SMG ftw.)
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They always have their combat in there ass waiting for you to approach them.
:rofl:
Always be cautious whenever you approach a mafia member hands in the air. It is extremely dangerous. The reason is that they usually have combat waiting in their asses.
Please stop i am laughing too much. XD
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I am just going to bump this as a reminder and for new cops. And could this go to Police Procedures and State Laws.
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B) Approach slowly with pepper spray to the suspect
C) Start spraying them until they surrender (/gu) and if you stop spraying make sure you have another unit out with a desert eagle.
D) If you stop spraying or run out of spray, they will attempt to shoot you with their combat.
This is extremely bad attitude to roleplay and an offensive generalisation to all mafia roleplayers. You should try to roleplay arrest them, not keep pepperspraying them in the face going "/em gu" "/em gu" "/em gu". That is possible worst version of "roleplay" I have ever heard for a cop.
In the few cases where criminal does /hail, /hide, "I surrender" etc, they are classed as surrender and are not allowed - by server rules to fight or escape so you should /REPORT THEM - and they will be punished, usually with 5 minute admin jail, or weapon disarm, or tempban or even a ban depending on players...
SAPD's #1 priority is not roleplay ability, it is knowing the cop rules and protocal (RP skill is general learned afterwards through experience). Do not make it even worse by recommending other cops to do pathetic moves like those quoted.
I am well aware I might have already mentioned these points previously in this old topic.
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Ok maybe things have changed since july or so, but today there was a suspect that did the same thing today. I am going to rewrite some of it because back then this happened a lot. I agree with you JcStodds I should've reread it.
Yes, I believe that you should /report if they say "I surrender" or have /hail and then they shoot you after that.
Does it sound better now I edit it?
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If it helps, I never go on duty without a Partner. Once we're apprehending a suspect, one of us has his gun trained at the suspect and the other approaching slowly with pepper spray.
We give him a chance to surrender by telling him, if he doesn't comply then the one with the spray sprays the suspect just a little. Rinse or repeat, or you could try doing /me.
If the suspect tries to bail and shoot, that's what you got the partner for.