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GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 17:55:42 pm

Title: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 17:55:42 pm: Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators:

1. TheZakjee - Mistaking SAPD Senior Officer Anthrax to get an unsuspection, while not being either the investigating officer or the suspecting officer

A C30 situation took place in Glen Park. I have been shooting the suspects present as suddenly i get incoming fire from my back, i turn around and see a citizen Ryan_Corler opening fire on me. I have suspected him for aiding and the suspect started running away. It is unclear whenever he tried to evade or hide from LEO fire.
After 2-3 minutes passed , i was returning to the Glen Park to see if the situation is still present, witnessing the suspect standing in the middle of the road surrendered. I have pulled over, cuffed him and after warning him to comply multiple times, took him to the station where he introduced his lawyer =AV=Marcel, whom started using unjustful points to proove the suspects innocence, such as my disobeyance to ARPD procedures. I indeed admit that i might have forgot to read him out his rights before taking him in, but it in no means that is no reason for an unsuspection. So we have been arguing for good 30 minutes when the accused officer called in as a witness from the c30 situation. I invited him to the station. He has started to demand evidence from me. I tried to explain him that i do not need evidence since i witnessed the crime myself, as i was TAKING FIRE from the suspect, however, the officer simply called in the radio for an unsuspection for the suspect due to "being clearly abused by me". The officer had no right to call in an unsuspection as he was not an investigating officer, noir he was even familiar with the situation. He has ruined a long 30 minute investigation, by unsuspecting the suspect without having any involvement in the situation. He has mistaken the Senior Officer Anthrax to get the investigation.

a. N/A
b. Senior Officer Anthrax as a witness

Date: 2013.03.08
Time: 17:40 Server Time

Civillian(s) involved:

Ryan_Corler
=AV=Marcel

Signed
Maxwell Adams
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Marcel_ on March 08, 2013, 18:07:56 pm: M.A.J. de Rooy
East Beach 72
Los Santos
San Andreas
Phone number 890913

To: SAPD Authority
Internal Affairs
San Andreas

Here today, i will state my presence as lawyer of Mr. Dan Harrelson. My client is aware of this report against him. We will ask for a statement of the investigating Officer before we make a statement on this matter.

Respectfully submitted,

(http://www.webexchanger.org/special/argosigwhite.png)
M.A.J. (Marcel) de Rooy
Laywer
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 08, 2013, 18:08:34 pm: Quote from: Marcel_ on March 08, 2013, 18:07:56 pm
M.A.J. de Rooy
East Beach 72
Los Santos
San Andreas
Phone number 890913

To: SAPD Authority
Internal Affairs
San Andreas

Here today, i will state my presence as lawyer of Mr. Dan Harrelson. My client is aware of this report against him. We will ask for a statement of the investigating Officer before we make a statement on this matter.

Respectfully submitted,

(http://www.webexchanger.org/special/argosig.png)
M.A.J. (Marcel) de Rooy
Laywer

I would like to approve Marcel De Rooy as my lawyer.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Anthrax on March 08, 2013, 18:45:25 pm: I can confirm that I unsuspected Ryan Corler for "investigated" after a request on the police radio by officer TheeZakje, that supposedly investigated him (He stated that himself on the radio)
I do not know anything further about the case. I did as usuall and did an area check on both individuals before the investigation to make sure they were inside a police station.

(http://www.imagesup.net/?di=2136276461610)

Signed
AnthraX Rosso
SAPD Senior Officer
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 18:58:16 pm: Quote from: Marcel_ on March 08, 2013, 18:07:56 pm
M.A.J. de Rooy
East Beach 72
Los Santos
San Andreas
Phone number 890913

To: SAPD Authority
Internal Affairs
San Andreas

Here today, i will state my presence as lawyer of Mr. Dan Harrelson. My client is aware of this report against him. We will ask for a statement of the investigating Officer before we make a statement on this matter.

Respectfully submitted,

(http://www.webexchanger.org/special/argosigwhite.png)
M.A.J. (Marcel) de Rooy
Laywer

Dear lawyer, this is a non roleplay report, therefor i'm aware that no-one but the defendant himself might attend to this report. I'm not sure about it though, lets get someone from the command to confirm it.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Marcel_ on March 08, 2013, 19:39:36 pm: I quote as per Argonath Vision:
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Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.

So however you want to bend the rules into making this some kind of non-roleplay thing, i will not allow you to. We are still in Argonath and as such you are still expected to roleplay, with everyone you encounter. If you do not wish to roleplay, then do not initiate the roleplay or go ingame.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 20:12:04 pm: You're once again using absurd points to proove me wrong. Beurocracy wont help here. This is not my rules i'm making up, it's ARPD's. There are two types of reports : Roleplay reports, where an officer has done something in roleplayed way, therefor roleplay evidence must be provided, lawyers can be present and stuff.
Also NON-RP : When officer has done something in a non roleplay way. Screenshots and chatlogs are taken as valid evidence.

I'm still not sure about the lawyer part though, but im pretty sure he should represent himself.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Marcel_ on March 08, 2013, 20:55:52 pm: There's nothing absurd about my statement. You cannot force us to stop roleplaying because you want to win your little game by bending the rules in your favour. You can't force roleplay as much as we can't refuse to roleplay.

This is a ArgonathRPG group and you have to roleplay with anyone you encounter. That includes us and you know it. This also counts for the ARPD forums if you decide to bring a roleplay from in-game to these forums. Now stop crying like a little baby and face the fact that this report is bullocks. Then, man up to your actions, apologise for them and move on.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 21:04:42 pm: You're the only one bending the written sources to your favour, using them where they does not even compute.

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ROLEPLAY SCENARIO

1-1.) Was it a roleplay scenario? If yes, you must provide valid roleplay evidence and/or have credible and valid witnesses. Roleplay evidence includes (But is not limited to):
Video footage obtained legally (Personal video camera, etc)
Voice recordings obtained legally (Voice recorder, etc)

1-2.) The following, are a few examples of what is considered as valid roleplay evidence:
/me switches voice recorder on and records the situation
/me turns on video camera and films the situation
/me uses his mobile phone to film/record the situation
Witnesses can count as valid evidence, they have to submit a witness statement in the report
Spamming F8 does not count as valid roleplay evidence and will be dismissed

1-3.) You can not report someone if you died in the same roleplay

1-4.) Roleplay scenarios include, but is not limited to:
A corrupt or bent officer
Accepting bribe money
Helping aid in crimes or committing minor crimes (E.g Beating up suspects to get information)

1-5.) To file a report, follow the steps and use the following format: Report Form

NON-ROLEPLAY SCENARIO

2-1.) Read over these points before filing a non-roleplay report:
Was it a non-roleplay scenario?
Was it a breach of server rules?
You don't need roleplay evidence, if you have been abused by an officer (Abusing /su or other script commands)
If the officer was abusing their police powers (E.g suspecting and jailing friends for money), or breached basic SAPD Rules like firearms usage, then you're allowed to file a non-roleplay report

2-2.) Here are some non-roleplay examples that you can report for:
Death matching
Flaming (Out of roleplay and major)
Ramming
Other server rules

2-3.) Fill out the same form as above, but add [NON-RP] to the title

How about you read the report rules before playing a smartass.

And there is nothing bullocks about my report. The guy illegally unsuspected you as he had no right to take over, he is not a higher rank than me and he had no authority over me. The only one crying here is you. My report is one hundred percent valid and your bullshitting wont change that.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: [WS]Mike on March 08, 2013, 21:12:53 pm: My name is Sergeant Sangelo and I will be handling this report. First of all, this discussion filled with harassment is to cease immediately. Secondly, give me some time while I review this report.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 21:22:42 pm: Quote from: [WS]Mike on March 08, 2013, 21:12:53 pm
My name is Sergeant Sangelo and I will be handling this report. First of all, this discussion filled with harassment is to cease immediately. Secondly, give me some time while I review this report.

10-4
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: [WS]Mike on March 08, 2013, 21:27:40 pm: After reviewing the report, I have a few questions I would like to be answered.

1) Who was handling the "investigation" from when he got unsuspected?
2) Is there any further evidence of the crime itself taking place?

Also, I'll need the reported to actually reply, not a lawyer since he isn't the one who supposedly breached ARPD Protocol. This is not a court case but an ARPD report.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2013, 21:30:07 pm: 1) I was handling the investigation
2) I was being shot at by the person in question. I think that's enough of an evidence
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: [WS]Mike on March 10, 2013, 07:23:16 am: Still waiting on a statement from TheZakjee.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 10, 2013, 12:26:48 pm: I am sorry, I need another 48 hours. I have some problems IRL, and my Lawyer left the server. I will post my statement as soon as I can. Also I have a docters apointment tomorrow, so it can get some late. I will do my best to get it done by tonight!

Sorry for the troubles!

also changed name, see forum name!
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 06:17:10 am: I left RPG...
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: [WS]Mike on March 12, 2013, 06:33:30 am: Quote from: Dan 'Hondo' Harrelson on March 12, 2013, 06:17:10 am
I left RPG...
So you don't want to post a statement?
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 07:20:42 am: I guess he's leaving the community.

In any case - to add - this person has come into a patrol channel in TeamSpeak yesterday acting unproffessional, playing music and yelling "GIMME BACKUP". There are like 6 witnesses of this insubordination. I guess his attitude speaks for itself
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Marcel_ on March 12, 2013, 08:49:25 am: Show some proof if you want to throw around false accusations.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 13:12:34 pm: Quote from: Marcel_ on March 12, 2013, 08:49:25 am
Show some proof if you want to throw around false accusations.

Oh yea, you were there true.

Let me get some witnesses to post here. There were 6 of us hearing that :)
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 16:12:11 pm: This is a report against me due to getting a unsuspection for a abused suspection. Managers already handeld with me on TS. You can report me to them :)

My statement: Max requested a person to come to him at LSPD that was the the Glen Park shootout. I came there and he was just making shit up that he shot, he was standing behind me all the time so this was impossible. He complied after Guíng (I made the person GU) then I got kicked by jeffrey, after that max took him with him I didnt mind. Once comming at LSPD I found the abuse of max to much and requested a unsuspection, Nothing against the rules here :)
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 17:01:18 pm: You're in no position to claim that i was abusing. The guy was standing right behind me in a combat shotgun and started shooting me. I turned around and suspected him for aiding, he then ran away , i chased him but since he kept running away and not shooting back i just turned around and ran back to the scene to help out the remaining officers.

You cannot just come into an investigation room and take over an investigation.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: James Moretti on March 12, 2013, 17:41:01 pm: I witnessed the TS event, pokemon song comming from the defendant.

Regards,
FBI Special Agent
Dean Callahan
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 19:03:15 pm: Quote from: Dean Callahan on March 12, 2013, 17:41:01 pm
I witnessed the TS event, pokemon song comming from the defendant.

Regards,
FBI Special Agent
Dean Callahan

As said before, this is a report against me on a unsuspection case, not on the teamspeak case, already handeld by TS managers. oktybye!
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 19:03:59 pm: Does not matter. It shows how seriously you take your ARPD duties - by annoying staff in Patrol channels.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 19:04:07 pm: Quote from: Max Adams on March 12, 2013, 17:01:18 pm
You're in no position to claim that i was abusing. The guy was standing right behind me in a combat shotgun and started shooting me. I turned around and suspected him for aiding, he then ran away , i chased him but since he kept running away and not shooting back i just turned around and ran back to the scene to help out the remaining officers.

You cannot just come into an investigation room and take over an investigation.

Also, I was looking at the investigation all the time!
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 19:04:39 pm: Quote from: Max Adams on March 12, 2013, 19:03:59 pm
Does not matter. It shows how seriously you take your ARPD duties - by annoying staff in Patrol channels.

I do not see you are being TS staff are you, now please. get back on the report you started, or start a new one ;_)
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Zhang on March 12, 2013, 19:08:09 pm: Witness of him playing 'Pokemon music' in patrol channel.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 19:09:59 pm: Quote from: Zhang on March 12, 2013, 19:08:09 pm
Witness of him playing 'Pokemon music' in patrol channel.

For the third time[mod]No Flaming, Calm Down or Dont Post - Mega[/mod]I said, this is a report about me getting someone unsuspected, not playing pokemon music, handeld by the TS command...
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Milano Alvarez on March 12, 2013, 19:43:29 pm: Today I got trolled by this guy on TS. I told him to stop whispering and he went on trolling.
Just stayin' this.

Signed
Kate Microstar McGarrett
SAPD Officer/HSP Trooper
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 19:55:43 pm: I am sorry, but I was not on teamspeak for today, only in my own channel. My KEYBIND is 'CTRL Z' and I did not received a message from you. So mind stop lieing?
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 20:33:29 pm: Quote from: Dan 'Hondo' Harrelson on March 12, 2013, 19:09:59 pm
Quote from: Zhang on March 12, 2013, 19:08:09 pm
Witness of him playing 'Pokemon music' in patrol channel.

For the third time, <flame removed> I said, this is a report about me getting someone unsuspected, not playing pokemon music, handeld by the TS command...

Your buddy wanted proof, i gave you proof.

Nice attitude you got there by the way. As you see gentlemen, this man is not capable of wearing ARPD uniform..
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 20:35:13 pm: Quote from: Max Adams on March 12, 2013, 20:33:29 pm
Quote from: Dan 'Hondo' Harrelson on March 12, 2013, 19:09:59 pm
Quote from: Zhang on March 12, 2013, 19:08:09 pm
Witness of him playing 'Pokemon music' in patrol channel.

For the third time, <flame removed> I said, this is a report about me getting someone unsuspected, not playing pokemon music, handeld by the TS command...

Nice attitude you got there. Lets see how far will it take you

I've came far enough, but if you and your little friends fail to read. Then ye, its not my fault!
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 20:35:51 pm: That is my report and i decide what is it for, not you.
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 20:50:21 pm: Its a report against me, and I would like to know what I am reported for, as you are not clear on that part ....
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2013, 21:28:54 pm: You're being reported for an illegal unsuspect, but i'm considering reporting you for immature attitude as well..
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 12, 2013, 21:43:26 pm: Goodluck!, but as I said before. I left the server!
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: [WS]Mike on March 12, 2013, 22:38:38 pm: Didn't I say to stop this arguing in my original post? Any statements before this is finished?
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Huntsman on March 13, 2013, 07:20:15 am: Not from me
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: Andrew Banks on March 13, 2013, 09:22:34 am: my statement ^^^^, any questions can be posted here if have any :)
Title: Re: [ARPD Report] TheZakjee
Post by: [WS]Mike on March 16, 2013, 01:34:44 am: (http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/7318/patchwithcuffs2300.png)
San Andreas Police Department
16/03/2013

STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On the March the 8th 2013, at 17:55 HOURS a report was submitted by Max Adams as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.
Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
- Sergeant Mike Sangelo

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

-- Officer was reported for requesting an unsuspection while not being the investigating Officer

-- In conclusion, ARPD Officer TheZakjee is to be suspended from duty for 1 hour due to requesting an unsuspection of a Suspect who was still undergoing an investigation and actively knowing that the verdict was not made.

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to me to a Deputy Chief via an ARPD Forum PM and we might reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.

Signed,
Sergeant Mike Sangelo