Argonath RPG Police Department

GTA: San Andreas => SA:MP Complaints Desk => SAPD Information Center => [SA:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: Louis on April 04, 2013, 18:39:41 pm

Title: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 04, 2013, 18:39:41 pm

Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators: Servius

1. I was a suspect, running through idlewood, I came to a van which I attempted to evade in but I was carjacked out of in and I was on the floor. I was pepper sprayed by SAPD Cadet Padres Rosso, so I was not moving, I was crouched over rubbing my eyes because I was pepper sprayed. Then ARPD Officer Servius discharged his weapon (deagle) atleast 5 times (I had a about 25 percent armor, as well as full health) causing me to die.

 a. Unfortunately no pictures were taken.
 b. I have 2 witnesses, I will ask to post statements.

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17:19:19] Cops are still too close.. (6)

[17:19:35] Cops are still too close.. (5)

[17:19:50] You entered a Burrito(897), owner: [State]

[17:19:52] Cops are outside.. (9)

[17:20:00] You lost your weapons and have paid coroner fees of $1000, surrender next time.

[17:20:01] [WS]Louis(54) says: servius...

[17:20:04] Padres_Rosso(85) says: Servius!

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[17:22:18] PM to Padres_Rosso(85): Padres.

[17:22:26] PM from Padres_Rosso(85): ?

[17:22:34] PM to Padres_Rosso(85): You witnessed Servius kill me as standing still sus?

[17:22:38] PM to Padres_Rosso(85): am i right?

[17:22:52] PM from Padres_Rosso(85): Ye
Date: Today, 04/04/13
Time: About 20 minutes ago, 18:20 CET

Civillian(s) involved: No civilians was involved, SAPD Cadet Padres Rosso and ARPD Officer [RT]Sina witnessed the incident.

Signed
[WS]Louis

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 04, 2013, 19:24:32 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 04, 2013, 19:14:46 pm

Also to don't mention, in some past days, you are driving around SA fully armored, waiting for cops to suspect you then evade them making fun out of it.

First of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with the report, so don't bring it in to it. It is completely incorrect anyway, I am very rarely suspected.

Quote from: Servius on April 04, 2013, 19:14:46 pm

Hello Louis,

Okay, so I was at Idlewood and all of a sudden you passed near me speeding and evading, I went after you and another PD car was behind me DBing you. After your car exploded you tried to escape again, in meanwhile you were shot at and all of your armor was took off.

Incorrect, all my armor was not taken off, I still had some of it when you was shooting me.

Plus, don't forget to mention that you never once warned me before shooting me.

Quote

You tried to run to a car and continue escape, after you established that car was locked, you tried to evade on foot. After you were pepper sprayed by Officer Padres and Sina, you again tried to escape (Yes, you can move while you are pepper sprayed), I aimed my gun at you, and when I've fount you dangerous enough to try escape and continue your crimes.

Also, incorrect.

The car was not locked, I was carjacked out of it and I was on the floor. By the time I was able to get up it was too late, and I was already being sprayed.

After being pepper sprayed I did not attempt to evade again, I did not have the chance to. You can not move whilst being sprayed. I was still, and not moving, you then aimed your weapon at me and shot me about five times, killing me.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Padres_Rosso on April 04, 2013, 19:39:06 pm

Well...can't say more than already stated. Story true & correct. Weapon discharge has not been neccessary from my point of view.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 04, 2013, 19:58:38 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 04, 2013, 19:56:08 pm

Okay, so car was not locked Officer Sina carjacked you and you got pepper sprayed. You had your chances to surrender using /gu command much times, I don't see why are you moaning now. I've seen you moving whilst sprayed, and yes I killed you. To repeat, you had chances to surrender I don't see why are you moaning here now why you lost your weapons and armor.

Just because I did not surrender does not give you the rights to shoot a non moving, sprayed suspect to death.

You started shoot me as soon as I was sprayed, and you continued. You shot me about 5 times.

I am not moaning about losing my weapons and armor, do you really think I care about a couple of grand? No, I don't. I am not reporting you because I am mad about losing my stuff, because I am not. I am reporting you because you broke rules.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 04, 2013, 19:58:59 pm

According to me, reporter have witnesses but doesn't have a valid evidence of the officer committing the offense. But atleast he have witnesses to support his report therefore I would like to ask Mr.Servius that any verbal warning was given from your side before even using your firearms/gun?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 04, 2013, 20:10:16 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 04, 2013, 20:09:10 pm

I don't see why witness should be even considered, there is no any proof. Anyways no warning was issued after Louis started to escape since I had no time to do so and since he was already warned before.

I was not warned at all.

I had not already started to escape, I was stood still, being sprayed and unable to move. That is when you decided to shoot and kill me.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 04, 2013, 20:28:00 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 04, 2013, 20:22:26 pm

You have been warned while you were still driving that van, and when it was set on fire.

I have checked my logs, and during the 5 minutes of me being a suspect I was not warned at all.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 11:47:48 am

Witnesses are the second source of supporting his report as he doesn't have any evidence. As you stated that you didn't gave any warnings before opening fire, that was your mistake. Always give warning before opening fire on a suspect, specially standing one.
Anything else to state before this report reaches a verdict?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: sina on April 05, 2013, 12:56:10 pm

hi bros
i was on this prob last month and know your status Louis
u and servius was on a accident worry,
I think in this event cop 40% and criminal 60% have role
criminal dont stop after drop off from van then spryed by an officer
then i start spry front he - but i cant underestand why dont surrender at that time!!!!
on that scene carjack and escape small space and dont surrender and maybe still to end spry and keep escape
also i think shoot fire was from worry of officer servius
my idea:servius Exoneration.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 15:27:44 pm

Quote from: sina on April 05, 2013, 12:56:10 pm

hi bros
i was on this prob last month and know your status Louis
u and servius was on a accident worry,
I think in this event cop 40% and criminal 60% have role
criminal dont stop after drop off from van then spryed by an officer
then i start spry front he - but i cant underestand why dont surrender at that time!!!!
on that scene carjack and escape small space and dont surrender and maybe still to end spry and keep escape
also i think shoot fire was from worry of officer servius
my idea:servius Exoneration.

From what I am able to make out, you are saying that it was an accident. It was not an accident, I was being sprayed and not moving, Servius shot me about FIVE times.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 15:38:42 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 05, 2013, 15:36:22 pm

Ok yes I did so what? I was sick of you evading around.

Okay so basically you just admitted it.

so what? What do you mean so what, you broke rules. As someone who is an FBI Academy cadet, close to becoming a field cadet, you should know better.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: sina on April 05, 2013, 16:26:45 pm

when u was on spray must use /gu for tell we u have surrender
but if u dont use that we keep protect and attack mode.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 16:33:11 pm

Quote from: sina on April 05, 2013, 16:26:45 pm

when u was on spray must use /gu for tell we u have surrender
but if u dont use that we keep protect and attack mode.

No excuse to shoot and kill a standing still and sprayed suspect.

Sergeant Hamza, I have nothing further to add. Please proceed with a verdict.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 17:03:17 pm

A last question from Servius, did he ran on foot when you used your arms? Or he was standing still?

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Jose F on April 05, 2013, 17:06:26 pm

He was moving, that's all I can say, I'm also not happy that I didn't record that.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 17:08:37 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 05, 2013, 17:06:26 pm

He was moving, that's all I can say, I'm also not happy that I didn't record that.

I was not moving, I was sprayed and unable to move. I even have a witness who has confirmed I was not moving.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 17:12:59 pm

Both, please approve this fact that you are giving your final statement, which is:
Officer Servius: Suspect was on move and I used firearms after he tried escaped.
Officer Louis: I was not on move while firearms were used.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 17:15:46 pm

Quote from: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 17:12:59 pm

Both, please approve this fact that you are giving your final statement, which is:
Officer Servius: Suspect was on move and I used firearms after he tried escaped.
Officer Louis: I was not on move while firearms were used.

My witness is about to post again, to confirm that whilst Servius opened fire and killed me, I was not moving and that I was sprayed.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 17:17:50 pm

We will have to wait for the witness then.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Padres_Rosso on April 05, 2013, 17:20:01 pm

Okay..let me explain everything to make it clear.
The Suspect was entering a Burrito, Officers were shooting at it. The Suspect exited the Car and was idle. As told, i sprayed him according the Procedure and Servius shot at him.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 17:24:05 pm

Noted, waiting for Officer Servius to approve his statement..

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 17:30:46 pm

Any other things to add from the both sides?(Last chance).

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 17:32:16 pm

Quote from: Servius on April 05, 2013, 17:28:33 pm

I've seen Louis moves as he was sprayed ( I will do test on Stunt or Paruni to show you thing) so I shot at him as I've seen he tried to escape

I find that hard to believe, because for the other officers I was not moving. Also, you wasn't moving either, nor was your gun. You was aiming in the same place.

Nothing further to add, please proceed with a verdict.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Louis on April 05, 2013, 17:38:41 pm

One last thing:

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[17:19:19] Cops are still too close.. (6)

[17:19:35] Cops are still too close.. (5)

[17:19:50] You entered a Burrito(897), owner: [State]

[17:19:52] Cops are outside.. (9)

[17:20:00] You lost your weapons and have paid coroner fees of $1000, surrender next time.

[17:20:01] [WS]Louis(54) says: servius...

[17:20:04] Padres_Rosso(85) says: Servius!
As you can see on this chatlog, I was killed at exactly 20:00 minutes past, and at 20:01 minutes past I said "servius...".  I was typing this when servius was shooting me, which means it couldn't have been possible for me to run.

Title: Re: [ARPD Report] Officer Servius
Post by: Hamza on April 05, 2013, 18:13:39 pm

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San Andreas Police Department
05/03/2013

STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On the 4rd April  2013, at  18:39:41 a report was submitted by [WS]Louis as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.

Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
- Sergeant Hamza

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

-Officer Servius used his firearms on a standing still suspect without any warnings being executed from his side
- Reporting citizen got witness who were the fellow officers, present in the scene
- Witnesses approved that the officer used his firearms while the suspect was being sprayed in order to give him a chance to surrender
- Not a proper evidence/witness was kept forward from the side of reported officer
- reported officer claimed that he used firearms when he saw him moving while being sprayed. Well if the suspect was being sprayed, he cannot simply move but indeed it happens due to lag that when spray is in action, the opponent seems to be moving in the screen but he is not in real. As you are old enough, there is no fact to refuse this fact.
- Due to the witnesses provided by the reporter, it supports his report while reported officer failed to give any sign of evidence to proof himself correct.

-- In conclusion, Officer Servius will be suspended from his duty for 2 days due to his inappropriate acts on the field.

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to me to a Deputy Chief via an ARPD Forum PM and we might reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.


Signed,
Sergeant Hamza