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GTA: Vice City => VC:MP Complaints => [VC:MP] Closed Complaints => Topic started by: Pizza on February 03, 2016, 14:37:02 pm

Title: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 03, 2016, 14:37:02 pm
Report against: rObInX

Name(s) of those reporting:
1.Johnny Vercetti disguised as Michael Schmidit
2.[EAF]Fuzz
3.[EAF]Sean
4.[EAF]Aaron

Reasons:
Abuse of power.


Evidence:
As listed above, the three EAF members are my current witnesses. I was driving around, trying to get my final operation going for my assignment, then I noticed that I saw the reported officer being completely corrupt, I stopped my car, watched him for a few seconds, then decided to take my phone out and record it. He quickly came and completely destroyed my mobile phone, which is a reason I was not able to have clear evidence of the Officer. I still have witnesses that can confirm. So what was he doing, he was being completely disrespectful with other civilians, ordering them to do things in their own properties, standing on their properties after being told to leave, and then coming to me, forcing my phone out of my palm and destroying it, along with saying "There are not witnesses here". I also heard that he started it all for "Trying to get someone off a roof because its dangerous".
Other Details:
I would like to have $550 as the amount I paid for my mobile.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Huntsman on February 03, 2016, 16:17:46 pm
Please get the witnesses to post in the topic. Also, post any other evidence that you may have.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Kessu on February 03, 2016, 16:38:20 pm
Officer did nothing wrong telling me to get down from the roof, he investigated the situation and then respectfully asked me to come down. I did not see the phone thing tho'.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 03, 2016, 16:42:44 pm
Officer did nothing wrong telling me to get down from the roof, he investigated the situation and then respectfully asked me to come down. I did not see the phone thing tho'.
Sure, when I came in he started to act up, taking my phone away and smashing it like that wasen't very kind.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Kessu on February 03, 2016, 19:00:18 pm
Only valid part of this report is your phone thing, if robin could give his statement as to why he took your phone and smashed it.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Agent002 on February 04, 2016, 00:57:28 am
I don't know you can record with your phone in game.
And I don't think that's enough evidence.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: rObInX on February 04, 2016, 07:42:56 am
Other Details:
I would like to have $550 as the amount I paid for my mobile.
Hopefully this is a report, not a case.



Back to the topic, I was patrolling and a strange thing caught my attention: a citizen dangerously sitting on his house's roof. I immediately approached the situation and asked to come down. After several discussion when I saw 2 medics within 2-meter range, I planned to continue my patrol. And then I suddenly saw a citizen capturing me secretly. He was behind two other citizens and was recording a VCPD Officer. I suddenly approached him and took the phone. After I made sure he was recording, I smashed it into the floor.

Well, I was ready to pay the cost at that moment, but his response was as if he is the Chief of the PD.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/fxed02.png)


Regards,
rObInX
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Huntsman on February 04, 2016, 09:58:57 am
Other Details:
I would like to have $550 as the amount I paid for my mobile.
Hopefully this is a report, not a case.



Back to the topic, I was patrolling and a strange thing caught my attention: a citizen dangerously sitting on his house's roof. I immediately approached the situation and asked to come down. After several discussion when I saw 2 medics within 2-meter range, I planned to continue my patrol. And then I suddenly saw a citizen capturing me secretly. He was behind two other citizens and was recording a VCPD Officer. I suddenly approached him and took the phone. After I made sure he was recording, I smashed it into the floor.

Well, I was ready to pay the cost at that moment, but his response was as if he is the Chief of the PD.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/fxed02.png)


Regards,
rObInX

So far I saw completely no evidence of the officer in question conducting any misconduct.
However, Officer Vercetti's attitude towards the cadet was nothing but disgusting and unacceptable.

Your rank is for anything but using it to pushing others around. If you don't know what to do with it, that problem can easily be corrected.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 04, 2016, 10:05:44 am
I'm trying to get in contact with the other witnesses. Huntsman, he's not a cadet he's a police officer, the way he was treating me and his behaviour towards me, got me into that attitude.

Also, where does it say that citizens aren't allowed to record VCPD officers, Officer Robin?
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 04, 2016, 10:19:58 am
[15:14:38]  Michael_Schmidit. slides his phone out, recording the situation, directly recording Robin.
[15:14:40]  [EAF]Nylez says: Who's this?
[15:14:45]  [EAF]Sean waves a hello
[15:14:47]  Michael_Schmidit. says: Offduty cop.
[15:14:48]  [VU]rObInX grabs the phone
[15:14:56]  Michael_Schmidit. is away from Robin.
[15:14:58]  Michael_Schmidit. sighs.
[15:15:12]  Michael_Schmidit. doesn't resist.
[15:15:16]  [VU]rObInX smashes the phone
[15:15:27]  Michael_Schmidit. eyes Robin then back at the trio.
[15:15:30]  Michael_Schmidit. says: You guys witnesses?
15:15:35]  [EAF]Fuzz says: Yes
[15:15:51]  [VU]rObInX says: Nobody witnessed nothing

Chatlog evidence. Provided by the help of [EAF]Fuzz.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: rObInX on February 04, 2016, 11:09:50 am
Also, where does it say that citizens aren't allowed to record VCPD officers, Officer Robin?
When did I even say that?
And which action of mine provoked you?
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Fuzzie on February 04, 2016, 11:11:18 am
If it helps with your investigations

[21:13:22]  Michael_Schmidit. says: Guy on the phone.
[21:13:25]  [EAF]Sean chuckles
[21:13:36]  [VU]rObInX says: What if I stay here
[21:13:42]  [VU]rObInX says: You gonna eat me?
[21:13:46]  [EAF]Kessu says: You're on my property
[21:13:49]  [EAF]Aaron: @.@
[21:13:53]  [EAF]Kessu says: so you might want to move
[21:14:02]  [VU]rObInX moves to the pathway
[21:14:02]  Michael_Schmidit. says: Officer Robin, I heard you're more professional than /me/.
[21:14:04]  [EAF]Kessu says: Or I will use my every man's right to defend my property
[21:14:32]  Michael_Schmidit. just watches the situation.
[21:14:45]  Michael_Schmidit. slides his phone out, recording the situation, directly recording Robin.
[21:14:48]  [EAF]Nylez says: Who's this?
[21:14:52]  [EAF]Sean waves a hello
[21:14:55]  Michael_Schmidit. says: Offduty cop.
[21:14:56]  [VU]rObInX grabs the phone
[21:15:03]  Michael_Schmidit. is away from Robin.
[21:15:06]  Michael_Schmidit. sighs.
[21:15:19]  Michael_Schmidit. doesn't resist.
[21:15:23]  [VU]rObInX smashes the phone
[21:15:26]  [EAF]Aaron says: officer this guy just recorded
[21:15:29]  [EAF]Aaron says: oh
[21:15:34]  Michael_Schmidit. eyes Robin then back at the trio,
[21:15:37]  Michael_Schmidit. says: You guys witnesses?
[21:15:42]  [EAF]Fuzz says: Yes
[21:15:43]  [EAF]Sean chuckles
[21:15:45]  [EAF]Fuzz says: Wait
[21:15:48]  [EAF]Fuzz says: What is going on
[21:15:55]  Michael_Schmidit. eyes Robin again.
[21:15:58]  [VU]rObInX says: Nobody witnessed nothing
[21:16:03]  [EAF]Sean says: I did.
[21:16:11]  Michael_Schmidit. says: You're threatening another police officerf?
[21:16:18]  Michael_Schmidit. says: You know as for my rank I can simply tell you to f**k off.
[21:16:50]  Michael_Schmidit. says: lol)


Unnecessary parts have been omitted out due to not being related to the situation
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 04, 2016, 11:16:54 am
Also, where does it say that citizens aren't allowed to record VCPD officers, Officer Robin?
When did I even say that?
And which action of mine provoked you?
You forcing my phone out of my hand and smashing it, just like that. That is a property of mine.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: rObInX on February 04, 2016, 12:16:17 pm
Also, where does it say that citizens aren't allowed to record VCPD officers, Officer Robin?
When did I even say that?
And which action of mine provoked you?
You forcing my phone out of my hand and smashing it, just like that. That is a property of mine.
You recording me, is unnecessary breaching into my privacy.
I haven't allowed anyone to record an action of mine.
Argo's gives me the right to privacy and you violated it.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 04, 2016, 12:41:48 pm
Breaching into your privacy? You were publicly doing your job. I have the right to record your actions as evidence in court, you could have just easily told me to stop recording not grab my phone and smash it.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Nylezer on February 04, 2016, 13:12:30 pm
Officer Vercetti is right, it is allowed to record in public as long as it is not meddled with.
My point is: We are talking about a phone that got smashed by an Officer to another Officer.

The fact that Officer rObin destroyed property of another person he should get warned for, not fined, because it was his first mistake as an officer.
The fact that Officer Vercetti calls out on another Officer saying that because of his rank there is no reason to discuss with him, should also end up in an official warning.

Both cops made different mistakes, both should be warned and that's all there is to it.

Signed by,

Judge [EAF]Nylez
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Huntsman on February 04, 2016, 15:40:25 pm
Ok, so far the situation is as it is:

*VCPD Officer rObInX did indeed show unacceptable misconduct of behavior during the entire situation. The way he has handled the situation is not something we would expect from a professional VCPD Officer.
*VCPD Officer rObInX unlawfully taken Officer Vercetti's (off-duty at the time) phone and smashed it into the ground.
*VCPD Officer rObInX has threatened those on scene against testifying.

However

*Officer Vercetti, you, as a police officer of the VCPD, are expected to stay mature and professional at all times. Using your rank to push-around/threaten the officer the way you did does not make you better in any way, especially considering the fact both of you are equally ranked.

If anybody else has anything to add, do so.
I would like everyone who is not affiliated with the situation to refrain from posting opinions. We're not stupid, we can read and see. Thank you.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 04, 2016, 15:48:57 pm

However

*Officer Vercetti, you, as a police officer of the VCPD, are expected to stay mature and professional at all times. Using your rank to push-around/threaten the officer the way you did does not make you better in any way, especially considering the fact both of you are equally ranked.

Indeed, my reaction to Robin's remarks was completely me being full of myself, I apologize for misbehaving towards other rankers.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Pizza on February 04, 2016, 15:50:47 pm
What is the final decision?
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Huntsman on February 04, 2016, 16:33:36 pm
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Vice City Police Department
Senior Staff

CONCLUSION OF THE REPORT

Since VCPD Acting Chiefs have shown no interest of investigating the report, Senior Staff has taken the liberty to investigate and conclude.

Provided evidence and statements have been carefully read, and the following conclusions have been reached.

1) The report against VCPD Officer rObInX is valid, and therefore he is found guilty for breaking the norms of the etiquette of a VCPD Officer, provided in the VCPD Procedures and Regulations. The Officer has also unlawfully and without any reasonable cause taken and damaged a property that does not belong to him. As a punishment, officer rObInX will be issued an official warning for failure to follow procedures and regulations. The Officer is also to pay 1000 ARD compensation to Officer Johnny Vercetti for the broken property.
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2.4. VCPD Officer is to respect every single citizen of Argonath and every single player in the server, regardless of their personal feelings or opinions. Professionalism and tolerance comes first.

2) Officer Johnny Vercetti (off duty, known as Michael Schmidit at the time) however, has also been found to have broken certain procedures and regulations while reviewing this report. We do not take kindly to officers abusing their rank to push other officers around, as shown in the evidence provided by both parties. Officer Johnny Vercetti has been disrespectful towards Officer Robinx, escalating the situation further. His way of words can also be taken as an attempt to intimidate the officer by abusing his rank. Taking unrelated past incidents into consideration, Johnny Vercetti is also to be issued an official warning. No further action will be taken.
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2.2. VCPD Officer must show professionalism and good attitude at all times, even when not on duty. VCPD Officer is supposed to be professional at all times. This also includes officers behavior and attitude in the server as a whole. Moaning, complaining, provoking and other things that trash the image of VCPD Officer and the VCPD as a whole are not allowed.
If any party has a problem with the decisions taken, please contact VCPD Acting Chiefs [EAF]Klaus and [EAF]Kessu.

REPORT CLOSED

Best Regards,
Huntsman
Senior Officer
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: rObInX on February 04, 2016, 17:56:44 pm
I thought it was a report and not a case. Someone please clarify why should I pay $1000 (he asked for $550 only)
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Huntsman on February 04, 2016, 18:24:10 pm
I thought it was a report and not a case. Someone please clarify why should I pay $1000 (he asked for $550 only)

Because breaking other peoples property is not what a VCPD Officer normally does, so the additional 450 ARD goes as a punishment.
Anyhow, please refrain from posting in this topic as it is in the closed complaints board. You were told what to do if you feel dissatisfied with the outcome.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Kessu on February 04, 2016, 22:17:57 pm
Re-opened and report is still on-going. Wait until Klaus or I post further information.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Kessu on February 07, 2016, 12:55:02 pm
The role-play was never ended. It was actually forcefully forfeited due to abusive behavior of the fellow officer. I can claim that a plot twist was planned in which I reveal the truth that the phone which I smashed was my old spare phone and his phone is still with me.

So, I don't think it is right to report me for a RP which never 'ended'.



And this is a report against him:
Today, while playing as a criminal. I was killed by this officer using weapons while on foot. I had a wep with me but I never took it out and so, he never knew I had one. He asked me to surrender but I kept on walking. He just shot me and my health level became critical - 006. To escape the shots, I got on to a bike. He shot me dead there.

Spoiler (Click to expand)
[15:53:38] [VU]rObInX: dude
[15:53:45] [VU]rObInX: you serious
[15:53:51] Johnny_Vercetti: what
[15:53:52] [VU]rObInX: i didn't use my weps
[15:53:57] Johnny_Vercetti: so?
[15:53:59] [VU]rObInX: i was sort of 'unarmed'
[15:54:08] Johnny_Vercetti: u were evading in a vehicl
[15:54:13] Johnny_Vercetti: ofcourse im going to shoot
[15:54:13] [VU]rObInX: you are supposed to use nightstick
[15:54:20] Johnny_Vercetti: you were driving
[15:54:30] Johnny_Vercetti: i waited like 15 times
[15:54:32] [VU]rObInX: You shot me almost dead on foot
[15:54:32] Johnny_Vercetti: seconds*
[15:54:38] Johnny_Vercetti: okay, my bad.
[15:54:45] [VU]rObInX: I had 6hp when I was on bike
[15:54:58] Johnny_Vercetti: well next time /sur if you don't want to get shot after warned for 15 seconds.
[15:55:18] [VU]rObInX: I hope you do know that you got to use stick
[15:55:24] Johnny_Vercetti: I do.
[15:55:31] Johnny_Vercetti: I use ni
[15:55:32] Johnny_Vercetti: oh shit
[15:55:38] Johnny_Vercetti: Anyway
[15:55:44] [VU]rObInX: Leave it
[15:55:47] Johnny_Vercetti: I do, I use nightstick on suspects on foot. I warned you.
[15:55:53] Johnny_Vercetti: And waited for 15 seconds
[15:55:56] Johnny_Vercetti: I have te right to open fire.
[15:56:10] Johnny_Vercetti: a

Sent to me via PM.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Klaus on February 07, 2016, 18:02:12 pm
My verdict:

Johnny over-reacted to a mere /me. It's just roleplay and doesn't do any actual damage to your phone. The way he reacted was just immature.
Robin shouldn't have reacted in the way he did as it's not a crime to record with a phone.

Both should be given a verbal warning and nothing more.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Kessu on February 07, 2016, 19:43:36 pm
Johnny was already given a official warning for his overall attitude in the server (including the bans).

Robin should survive with a talk, yes.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Marco on February 07, 2016, 22:11:22 pm
My verdict:

Johnny over-reacted to a mere /me. It's just roleplay and doesn't do any actual damage to your phone.

If he was alone it would've ruined any sort of complaint that would be based in roleplayed footage. He had the luck of having witnesses.

Let Robin with a warning talk and suspend any other officers that destroy footage if it ever happens again. If they're behaving correctly, they should have no trouble being recorded. About the fine, remove it as the PD has no funds of its own and instruct Johnny to seek the Court Hall should he want a refund (isn't 500$ fair for distress and a roleplayed phone?). Since he has witnesses, I'd see no problem in that.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Kessu on February 08, 2016, 08:18:38 am
My verdict:

Johnny over-reacted to a mere /me. It's just roleplay and doesn't do any actual damage to your phone.

If he was alone it would've ruined any sort of complaint that would be based in roleplayed footage. He had the luck of having witnesses.

Let Robin with a warning talk and suspend any other officers that destroy footage if it ever happens again. If they're behaving correctly, they should have no trouble being recorded. About the fine, remove it as the PD has no funds of its own and instruct Johnny to seek the Court Hall should he want a refund (isn't 500$ fair for distress and a roleplayed phone?). Since he has witnesses, I'd see no problem in that.

Gandalf's statement regarding court cases against individual officer (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89764.msg1437132#msg1437132)

Johnny cannot raise a court case unless robin is dishonorably discharged.
Title: Re: Report against VCPD Officer rObInX
Post by: Marco on February 08, 2016, 13:16:16 pm

Gandalf's statement regarding court cases against individual officer (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89764.msg1437132#msg1437132)

Johnny cannot raise a court case unless robin is dishonorably discharged.

Okay.. forego the fine completely then.
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