Argonath RPG Police Department
Information => News & Announcements => Topic started by: [Rstar]CBFASI on April 26, 2009, 11:06:17 am
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SAPD command are making changes in some players ranks, carrying out fast track training and testing..
You may say its unfair that x got promoted so fast or got tested so soon.
ALL this work is to IMPROVE SAPD, and NOT for the betterment of an individual.
Also SAPD Command is aware of FAR MORE than YOU about many of our officers, cadets and freecops.
This fast tracking is based on skills and abilities NOT the amount of time, and reflects similar systems carried out in RL, I know because I have suffered from this..
We almost had an officer leave due to moaning direct at him and about him, if this had happened I would of removed the ability to be a cop :cop::ban: from EVERY moaner AND I would of used logs to check along with other sources.
Also a serious accusation was made against Pancher, a SAPD chief with NO proof, in fact I knew this to be completely false since I was the one not Pancher that instigated the change.
Instead of MOANING and COMPLAINING think about WHY, if you’re jealous and think its not fair then well maybe you should leave because I do NOT want your kind in SAPD. We look on ability, not moaning, not time.
If I catch ANYONE moaning in game and that means if I see it in logs too I will have that player demoted, and yes demotion from freecop = BANNED from being a cop. :cop::ban:
If SAPD Command was making personal decisions there would be a lot more higher ranks amongst friends, but we look at the skills base we got and there is LOTS of crap but also many great officers etc who need recognition and sometimes just need to be at a rank they can be more effective at.
For those wondering Jay Adams may seem like a new officer, actually he was around at the formation of ARPD, right at the START, he for a long time was overlooked due to other issues but they are no longer issues and his abilities far surpass many officers promoted since. This is why he got selected for SWAT so quick after his return, his abilities are of that high standard. I know his past history and many might even remember I was DIRECTLY involved, but that is past and his skills show this is indeed the past.
SAPD cannot be fair, we have to look on SKILLS not TIME just like real life.
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SAPD cannot be fair,
well SAPD is fair, if you got skills you deserve a high rank, fair isnt it?
and moaning is indeed not a good thing, it only decreased morale from all sides,
the person who is getting complains will not like it, you wont feel good with his promotion
and same for others who hear you complain
time does matter, since with experience you learn more and your skills will improve,
but at the end its all about skills and not how long you have been here,
it isnt like: 1 month inside SAPD means officer, 2 months means senior officer, not at all
an accusation about Pancher being Chief?
all i can say: WTF, pancher is a good cop :cop:
if you got a complaint on someone:
report to leaders section on this forums, thats where it is for
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Problem is many are assuming time is more important than ability and skill. The complaints are based around this and as said the complaints will work AGAINST you
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Do I have skills then?
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Do I have skills then?
We will not go to each and everyone and tell, "you have skills" or "you have not". Everyone has skills but those are all different and will use them in different ways.
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I do have to admit at first I felt unfair to others that I was just pushed past the Cadet stage into SAPD Officer. I actually brought this up with Pancher, at the time of promotion. When Pancher explained it better to me, I understood more about why it was a Freecop > Officer promotion, as explained in the first post, and it made sense. However, it still seemed a little unfair to the people who have been a Cadet for weeks.
But, then it occurred to me that this is how Police Department's work in real life - If some joe schmoe applies for a job in a Sheriff's Department, he may be in application or background for WEEKS... If some Police Scout for 5 years applies for the same position who knows people in the department better, and has shown his knowledge in the area, he'll be fast-tracked. So is it fair? Yes.
The "moaners" should come talk to the people who were fast tracked who were worried about the fairness and jealousy of the other cadets (and above?) and understand that we DID look at the fact we were fast tracked, and most of us questioned it, feeling it was unfair. If you consider the circumstances, it was fair.
I myself have years of Law Enforcement experience, and all I play when I'm on Argonath is a cop. My training is substantial, so when I play on Argonath, I ask myself "What would I have done in the field, if I was in the situation in real life?" The recruiters, and other Officers, even civilians that played noticed this, which is what got me started on the fast-track to Officer.
I made a LOT of Traffic Stops, responded to every Code 30 I could, and those helped me get known. Believe it or not, Traffic Stops are the best way to get known around the public - Especially when you keep pulling over admins :trust:
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Well, I also didn't know who jay was and I asked pancher, it is better to ask then to start whining omg anew cop and he gets promotion, and seeing afterwards he ain't new...
I can I understand alot of people why they whine. Some cops really are talentful and they get shuved up into the background, such is a shame
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Yes CBFasi I guess you were right. But I really got shocked when I found cadets getting their exam really fast. Most cadets all they know is the codes and laws, they're not good in RP situations, and when they take their exam and pass it, they become officers but with out experience which I see a big problem. Every Cadet who is taking his exam, should be tested on his RP skills. I have seen many 'New' ( I won't mention names) Officers that don't know how RP in situations :\ By the way, I was just saying my opinion. But this doesn't mean I moan, I just take it and keep my mouth shut :rules:
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Quality, not quantity. I'll always remember that about the SAPD... It was the main reason I became Captain along with cb and Pancher such along time ago. Sure there were complaints about people who have been here for months, are amazing roleplayers, etc. but if it wasn't for that one rule.. I probably wouldn't be where I am right now. So please, guys, try and think it over when you're complaining and realize that your higher ranked are trying their best to sort out the SAPD as a WHOLE, not just say "oh, we like him let's promote him!" If you still feel that it's not right or it's unfair to "you" why don't you just ask? Ask a few questions forum PM, ingame, and ask why so and so got promoted in a KIND way because most of the time you're going to end up feeling "saudy" when we give you a pretty damn good reason.
- Dept Chief Vincent Vice
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SAPD command are making changes in some players ranks, carrying out fast track training and testing..
You may say its unfair that x got promoted so fast or got tested so soon.
About time, is all I can say. ;)
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All you need is enforce yourself and work hard :)
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Hey you guys, I've been in ARPD for over 2 years, and I'm only a Senior Officer. :D
Yea, its commitment, time, and experience but also skills and required talents. If they have a position and a good candidate to fill it, why wait?
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@Panda: Same. I agree with you on that 100%. Dedication is what gets you up there.
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Hey you guys, I've been in ARPD for over 2 years, and I'm only a Senior Officer. :D
Yea, its commitment, time, and experience but also skills and required talents. If they have a position and a good candidate to fill it, why wait?
I think its because Sergeant + cant be in a Mafia like you are
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Hey you guys, I've been in ARPD for over 2 years, and I'm only a Senior Officer. :D
Yea, its commitment, time, and experience but also skills and required talents. If they have a position and a good candidate to fill it, why wait?
I think its because Sergeant + cant be in a Mafia like you are
Only Lieutenant and above cannot be in a mafia. Sergeant + used to be the rule but is not it anymore.
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I guess, it depends from how much you give to ARPD :') If you are only in the lists of ARPD members, it won't bring you promotion ;) You must be active, also you must help with development of ARPD and SAPD ;)
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Exactly.
If you dedicate yourself to the force, you get promoted quickly. I'm a great example of that. I was an officer for just over a month before I got promoted to Senior Officer. I dedicated 2 years as a freecop before applying to become a Cadet, and that lasted less than a month. I even became the most decorated Cadet in the force. Why did I get all these things so easily? Dedication. I've only been a suspect 3 times EVER in SA:MP, and 2 were for unofficially training freecops/cadets in chases. The other one was when I first started there and didn't know what to do. I've never been in a mafia nor have I committed any actual crimes. I'm ALWAYS a cop...never a criminal or even a civilian. I've also never had a complaint/case report against me from a civilian or officer. It's the stuff like that that makes me worthy of such promotions and awards so easily. If I were to suddenly join a mafia and start causing mayhem, that'd definitely slow the process down. If I started being more active as a civilian, it'd show I had less dedication that previously, and that also means things would slow down.
Basically, you have to put into perspective that the high-ranking members of ARPD see the things you do and don't do...and it affects how well you are treated ranking-wise. My number one suggestion is if you want to get up there quickly, do a great job, get no complaints/reports against you, be active, and dedicate yourself. Don't be a criminal if you want to rank up! :cop:
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good said Sugar,
dedication is also important, together with your actual skills(law knowledge etc..)
if you are on duty a lot, then dont worry, the high rankings will see you
you think they are not looking at you, but they are
if someone gets promoted fast it means he has the quality and is dedicated to the force
and even if you are dedicated dont worry if you dont get fast promotions,
except for senior to sergeant i didnt went up fast either
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<SugarD's text>
I'm faster :D
About 2 weeks on freecop, apply on cadet
Train and exam in 1 month, accepted to officer
2 months (or 3?), promoted to senior officer
Another 1 month later, about to be Sergeant in next ceremony but suspended for "Shot DMer infront of Captain's eyes"
Then getting worse each day :(
Promoted to Officer again, demoted again
((Some I forgot... I really missed my old time :cry: ))
Accepted as FBI Cadet anyway
Will keep doing best :cop:
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<SugarD's text>
I'm faster :D
About 2 weeks on freecop, apply on cadet
Train and exam in 1 month, accepted to officer
2 months (or 3?), promoted to senior officer
Another 1 month later, about to be Sergeant in next ceremony but suspended for "Shot DMer infront of Captain's eyes"
Then getting worse each day :(
Promoted to Officer again, demoted again
((Some I forgot... I really missed my old time :cry: ))
Accepted as FBI Cadet anyway
Will keep doing best :cop:
For me :P
More then 1 year as freecop!! :P
5 months as cadet.
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Exactly.
If you dedicate yourself to the force, you get promoted quickly. I'm a great example of that. I was an officer for just over a month before I got promoted to Senior Officer. I dedicated 2 years as a freecop before applying to become a Cadet, and that lasted less than a month. I even became the most decorated Cadet in the force. Why did I get all these things so easily? Dedication. I've only been a suspect 3 times EVER in SA:MP, and 2 were for unofficially training freecops/cadets in chases. The other one was when I first started there and didn't know what to do. I've never been in a mafia nor have I committed any actual crimes. I'm ALWAYS a cop...never a criminal or even a civilian. I've also never had a complaint/case report against me from a civilian or officer. It's the stuff like that that makes me worthy of such promotions and awards so easily. If I were to suddenly join a mafia and start causing mayhem, that'd definitely slow the process down.
That is the same as me :P I actually never joined a mafia before, and never was a suspect. I'm sure alot of people know that here as well. That's why i grow very fast in the FBI, i know this has nothing to do with FBI. But still, it's kinda the same thing. :P
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<SugarD's text>
I'm faster :D
About 2 weeks on freecop, apply on cadet
Train and exam in 1 month, accepted to officer
2 months (or 3?), promoted to senior officer
Another 1 month later, about to be Sergeant in next ceremony but suspended for "Shot DMer infront of Captain's eyes"
Then getting worse each day :(
Promoted to Officer again, demoted again
((Some I forgot... I really missed my old time :cry: ))
Accepted as FBI Cadet anyway
Will keep doing best :cop:
You also just got demoted for deathmatching and rulebreaking...AGAIN. Seriously dude, fix yourself. Quit screwing up if you want to be promoted back again... :P
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Will keep doing best :cop:
Your... "best"...? :trust:
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James can be a very good cop, if he wants too
he wasnt senior for nothing
dont know what went wrong from that point though, but it was straight line up to senior,
and inmediatly straight line down
as Sugar said, james stop playing around, and you will get up later
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I have noticed that a lot of people in-game who do not know my previous alias have been asking how I became an officer. The fact that it is none of their business suggests to me that maybe they are jealous. Jealousy can't be present in role playing. A good way of becoming a higher rank more quickly is to communicate well with higher ranked SAPD members and attend as many RP situations and training as possible.
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I mean seriously, you wont have more fun with an higher rank, you dont get any advantage over other cops with an higher rank, you can still have the same "fun" as Freecop as an Officer have.. I have alot of times an good and fun time with Freecops, give every inivdual a chance to prove there skills what so ever rank or background.
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there are a little advantages higher rankeds got,
you can actually organise something at situations, as low ranked none will listen,
we got SMG and also we got more experience,
but this can be done as freecop also
we all have been a freecop, without freecops there wouldnt be a me and a you
also Trojan ppl only ask you because they dont know you,
it isnt that hard to answer that you are old player, and then its over
if you react angry old the time it wont get better
also they wonder who you are, not that you are an abuser and dont deserve the rank
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I mean seriously, you wont have more fun with an higher rank, you dont get any advantage over other cops with an higher rank, you can still have the same "fun" as Freecop as an Officer have.. I have alot of times an good and fun time with Freecops, give every inivdual a chance to prove there skills what so ever rank or background.
Exactly, I enjoy being an officer at the moment, I would like to lead in the future but just not right now. Being a freecop is a very good way to shock people and show them how much of a good RPer you are.
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also Trojan ppl only ask you because they dont know you,
it isnt that hard to answer that you are old player, and then its over
if you react angry old the time it wont get better
also they wonder who you are, not that you are an abuser and dont deserve the rank
Bianconeri, they ask me how I became an officer so quick, they don't ask who I am. I never react angry... I always tell them who I am... Nobody said anything about them thinking I am an abuser.
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you reacted angry here, but ok
and also if they wonder how come you became officer that fast,
it means they dont know who you are, since they think you have been around for a short time
but if you changed name, it means you played longer then them,
they dont know that, so if u say i play for ..., then they know why
but w/e lets just stop
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you reacted angry here, but ok
No... I didn't. :neutral:
and also if they wonder how come you became officer that fast,
it means they dont know who you are, since they think you have been around for a short time
OK, your opinion. My point is that the people who feel it is unfair that other's become a cop more quickly than them, most of the time are jealous. At the end of the day, it is a game.
Anyway... End of the discussion about what I said, agree or don't, your choice. I don't want to continue this discussion.
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and also if they wonder how come you became officer that fast,
it means they dont know who you are, since they think you have been around for a short time
OK, your opinion. My point is that the people who feel it is unfair that other's become a cop more quickly than them, most of the time are jealous. At the end of the day, it is a game.
You know what, some people here were cadets for 5> months, and some of them became in less than a month. Where is jealousity? It's more sounds like unfair. And at most of times it wasn't the dedication of the cadet, but it was because a lack of trainers/examers (At the Start of the Summer 2008 there were only Captains and Chiefs examining, which most of them were inactive)
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One of the reasons why some people takes longer time is cos it takes more time for them to learn, also intrest of being cop is another factor that can change the time. There is some changes from when you was trying to become Officer Altair, as you mention not only Captains and above gives training. We are still trying to make it easier for those who are intrested to become Officer faster then before!
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Well, i remember when i had to get my exam, chief's PC was broken -.- god damn it. It was frustrating and i feel with the people who need to wait long for getting promotion, the good now in waiting is that cadets got cop skins now. Anyway im changing subject here...
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While, i was on a training, i were with an Cadet my rank was a freecop, and we were training, about codes and suffs like that actuality i did know them but, the trainer asked the cadet, so i needed to talk on pm about other stuff, and i saw an ARPD cadet, didn't know the codes very well, Pm's me to tell one off the codes, i was shocked how an ARPD cadet, didn't knew those...he sayed so much simple things, on training... i just.. I'm a freecop, and wen i see him as an cadet not knowing the codes very good... that.. that suprises me i just dont know how did he reached on that rank.
PS: i don't wanna tell the names i will iff its needed)
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Some Cadet and Officer (Yes, Officer)
Know the codes and answer questions correct only when in training, coz they use Page Up and PMing other
or have a Paper of Codes infront of their PC or they Pause to read it on website
And when they passed, they forget most of it (maybe all).
They didn't remember it by heart, they just wanna have fun, but I'm not against this, u can have fun
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Whats wrong with having the code's next to you on a paper? No offense, but thats the best way of learning them.
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Whats wrong with having the code's next to you on a paper? No offense, but thats the best way of learning them.
Indeed. I still have a list of 10- and other scanner ARPD Codes since Summer 2008. And i still have SABD/SABU Command list too.
One of the reasons why some people takes longer time is cos it takes more time for them to learn, also intrest of being cop is another factor that can change the time. There is some changes from when you was trying to become Officer Altair, as you mention not only Captains and above gives training. We are still trying to make it easier for those who are intrested to become Officer faster then before!
Well, i don't try to complain or so, but also there was playing a factor of an inactiviy, unlike now, with access to Level Two Trainers + SAPD Academy classes.
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i admit i do have a code list, and also printed laws
but im not using them anymore, i know them almost all out of my head,
the laws i know 100% and will never make any fault in that
whats wrong with it smey?
well depends on what moment, during exam or training DONT,
training: its not for nothing called training, its to learn you what you dont know,
if you cheat so know everything, the trainer cant help you
exam: test of your knowledge, not the papers knowledge,
during a chase and all you dont have time to look on paper
but just normal work having paper close isnt bad, since we all learned it that way,
but as officer and up you should not need a paper
i had not much trouble for exam though, well i first had pancher but didnt saw him to continue,
but i had Legend who inmediatly continued and finished
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I never had training.
It took some time for me to apply, and when I gfinally ot tested, I knew them already.
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Same. I applied for a class and was accepted, but Vince never did anything in the class, so I got promoted just based on experience and knowledge that I already had lol...
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exam: test of your knowledge, not the papers knowledge,
during a chase and all you dont have time to look on paper
During a suspect search with /area i always use map for any place i don't know (it' mostly North-East of LV).
And, i have right at the right of my computer code list with huge numbers on it (I've put font on 12, isntead of 10), and even without looking at it i can clearly see with side-view most of the codes, especially those i need.
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you must be kidding, you seriously still need a map and codes else you dont know?
but mostly it wont work during chases and all
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They are like 40 codes and around 12 points in the laws plus the 5 procedures you have to know, along with the San Andreas map... It's quite a lot to remember, though you get used after some time.
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you must be kidding, you seriously still need a map and codes else you dont know?
but mostly it wont work during chases and all
I still don't know the '10 or 100 codes. Or all of the status codes.
Well, I know about 2 of the '10 codes, 207 and code 1-4. Thats about it.
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thats really dissapointing......
well ok im a trainer so i use all codes enough,
i can understand you dont know all the codes, since some are really useless and never ever used
but most common once like 10-4, 10-8, 10-15, 10-19,10-20 and all should be known
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Two years ago when I applied, I didn't get tested and therefore had a very basic knowledge of codes.
Through regular police work as an Officer I quickly picked up on them.
Then I went through the ranks, got to deputy chief of SAPD...went inactive and got put to Sergeant.
You think that was fair? nope..i was super pissed..and i was for ages...but i learn to accept it and acknowledge that there ARE people who are more experienced and worthy than me...take a page outta my book - think before you moan..
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Well, yea giac, one day i see a freecop needing my help and dident know anything second day i see him ordering me... with an highter rank...
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Yeah well, I realy want to command /frisk.
It's a shame its for Officer+
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Yeah well, I realy want to command /frisk.
It's a shame its for Officer+
I think it should be added to the cadet, why not..
but since the free officers are not part of the force, they can't and won't ever be able to use /frisk.
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Yes, Cadet+ would be alright.
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It used to be for Cadets +... dunno what happened
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Anyway, I'll do what I can to be a officer ;)
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Maybe it has own negative points, such as: constant abuse of frisk.
would generate alot of moaning apart from criminals
cadet is still under training and he probably needs more field experience..
but it shall be allowed to cadets too, for a personal reason, i think it should.
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Maybe it has own negative points, such as: constant abuse of frisk.
would generate alot of moaning apart from criminals
cadet is still under training and he probably needs more field experience..
but it shall be allowed to cadets too, for a personal reason, i think it should.
I can imagine (if enabled for free cops), they just walk around and frisk everyone they see :D
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Maybe it has own negative points, such as: constant abuse of frisk.
would generate alot of moaning apart from criminals
cadet is still under training and he probably needs more field experience..
but it shall be allowed to cadets too, for a personal reason, i think it should.
I can imagine (if enabled for free cops), they just walk around and frisk everyone they see :D
:rofl: Your walking, a freecop frisks you 1 meter far and you got suspected for "he drugz!" and kills you.
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Yeah, that's the negative point. But like Undercover right's, maybe it can be given out from the Sergeant?
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Undercover rights is from Command Staff only, and you will not get it if you are under Lieutenant...
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Undercover rights is from Command Staff only, and you will not get it if you are under Lieutenant...
let's give undercover rights for freecops only! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Undercover rights is from Command Staff only, and you will not get it if you are under Lieutenant...
let's give undercover rights for freecops only! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yea nice :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :D :D :D :D WHAHAH :P
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What is so funny? Making fun of the decision that is made?
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Undercover rights is from Command Staff only, and you will not get it if you are under Lieutenant...
let's give undercover rights for freecops only! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yea nice :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :D :D :D :D WHAHAH :P
Whats so funny lol :D
Signed,
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Bump, stop complaing about promotions, complaing will not get you a promotion but a demotion! It is not about how long you are in ARPD For but your skills, attuide, yea TS Does help a lot, notice how all Command staff use it and how it is a requirment to get into SWAT!
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Well said captain.
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Never mind.
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I am getting tired of hearing about all this. When the Chief says something weather you agree with it 100% or you want to kick hm in the balls over it, it does NOT matter. He or she is your Chief, or your Deputy Chief, or your Captain for all intents and purposes. They spend countless hours working their ass's with out being able to "actually play". All I see in these posts are a lot of jelous people. If you are a good Officer your day will come.
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Sorry, but that is well spoken :D