Complaints about promotions etc unfair etc

[[Rstar]CBFASI]

SAPD command are making changes in some players ranks, carrying out fast track training and testing..

You may say its unfair that x got promoted so fast or got tested so soon.

ALL this work is to IMPROVE SAPD, and NOT for the betterment of an individual.

Also SAPD Command is aware of FAR MORE than YOU about many of our officers, cadets and freecops.

This fast tracking is based on skills and abilities NOT the amount of time, and reflects similar systems carried out in RL, I know because I have suffered from this..

We almost had an officer leave due to moaning direct at him and about him, if this had happened I would of removed the ability to be a cop  from EVERY moaner AND I would of used logs to check along with other sources.

Also a serious accusation was made against Pancher, a SAPD chief with NO proof, in fact I knew this to be completely false since I was the one not Pancher that instigated the change.

Instead of MOANING and COMPLAINING think about WHY, if you’re jealous and think its not fair then well maybe you should leave because I do NOT want your kind in SAPD.  We look on ability, not moaning, not time.

If I catch ANYONE moaning in game and that means if I see it in logs too I will have that player demoted, and yes demotion from freecop = BANNED from being a cop.

If SAPD Command was making personal decisions there would be a lot more higher ranks amongst friends, but we look at the skills base we got and there is LOTS of crap but also many great officers etc who need recognition and sometimes just need to be at a rank they can be more effective at.


For those wondering Jay Adams may seem like a new officer, actually he was around at the formation of ARPD, right at the START, he for a long time was overlooked due to other issues but they are no longer issues and his abilities far surpass many officers promoted since.  This is why he got selected for SWAT so quick after his return, his abilities are of that high standard.  I know his past history and many might even remember I was DIRECTLY involved, but that is past and his skills show this is indeed the past.


SAPD cannot be fair, we have to look on SKILLS not TIME just like real life.

[Bianconeri]

SAPD cannot be fair,
well SAPD is fair, if you got skills you deserve a high rank, fair isnt it?

and moaning is indeed not a good thing, it only decreased morale from all sides,
the person who is getting complains will not like it, you wont feel good with his promotion
and same for others who hear you complain

time does matter, since with experience you learn more and your skills will improve,
but at the end its all about skills and not how long you have been here,
it isnt like: 1 month inside SAPD means officer, 2 months means senior officer, not at all

an accusation about Pancher being Chief?
all i can say: WTF, pancher is a good cop 


if you got a complaint on someone:
report to leaders section on this forums, thats where it is for

[[Rstar]CBFASI]

Problem is many are assuming time is more important than ability and skill.  The complaints are based around this and as said the complaints will work AGAINST you

[MikeUK]

Do I have skills then?

[[R*]Pancher]

Do I have skills then?

We will not go to each and everyone and tell, "you have skills" or "you have not". Everyone has skills but those are all different and will use them in different ways.

[RoryAnstruther]

I do have to admit at first I felt unfair to others that I was just pushed past the Cadet stage into SAPD Officer. I actually brought this up with Pancher, at the time of promotion. When Pancher explained it better to me, I understood more about why it was a Freecop > Officer promotion, as explained in the first post, and it made sense. However, it still seemed a little unfair to the people who have been a Cadet for weeks.

But, then it occurred to me that this is how Police Department's work in real life - If some joe schmoe applies for a job in a Sheriff's Department, he may be in application or background for WEEKS... If some Police Scout for 5 years applies for the same position who knows people in the department better, and has shown his knowledge in the area, he'll be fast-tracked. So is it fair? Yes.

The "moaners" should come talk to the people who were fast tracked who were worried about the fairness and jealousy of the other cadets (and above?) and understand that we DID look at the fact we were fast tracked, and most of us questioned it, feeling it was unfair. If you consider the circumstances, it was fair.



I myself have years of Law Enforcement experience, and all I play when I'm on Argonath is a cop. My training is substantial, so when I play on Argonath, I ask myself "What would I have done in the field, if I was in the situation in real life?" The recruiters, and other Officers, even civilians that played noticed this, which is what got me started on the fast-track to Officer.

I made a LOT of Traffic Stops, responded to every Code 30 I could, and those helped me get known. Believe it or not, Traffic Stops are the best way to get known around the public - Especially when you keep pulling over admins 

[lance]

Well, I also didn't know who jay was and I asked pancher, it is better to ask then to start whining omg anew cop and he gets promotion, and seeing afterwards he ain't new...

I can I understand alot of people why they whine. Some cops really are talentful and they get shuved up into the background, such is a shame

[AndyF]

Yes CBFasi I guess you were right. But I really got shocked when I found cadets getting their exam really fast. Most cadets all they know is the codes and laws, they're not good in RP situations, and when they take their exam and pass it, they become officers but with out experience which I see a big problem. Every Cadet who is taking his exam, should be tested on his RP skills. I have seen many 'New' ( I won't mention names) Officers that don't know how RP in situations :\ By the way, I was just saying my opinion. But this doesn't mean I moan, I just take it and keep my mouth shut 

[[Rstar]Vince]

Quality, not quantity. I'll always remember that about the SAPD... It was the main reason I became Captain along with cb and Pancher such along time ago. Sure there were complaints about people who have been here for months, are amazing roleplayers, etc. but if it wasn't for that one rule.. I probably wouldn't be where I am right now. So please, guys, try and think it over when you're complaining and realize that your higher ranked are trying their best to sort out the SAPD as a WHOLE, not just say "oh, we like him let's promote him!" If you still feel that it's not right or it's unfair to "you" why don't you just ask? Ask a few questions forum PM, ingame, and ask why so and so got promoted in a KIND way because most of the time you're going to end up feeling "saudy" when we give you a pretty damn good reason.




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[Wash]

SAPD command are making changes in some players ranks, carrying out fast track training and testing..

You may say its unfair that x got promoted so fast or got tested so soon.

About time, is all I can say.

[Wayne]

All you need is enforce yourself and work hard

[Panda]

Hey you guys, I've been in ARPD for over 2 years, and I'm only a Senior Officer.

Yea, its commitment, time, and experience but also skills and required talents. If they have a position and a good candidate to fill it, why wait?

[Chief J. Schappell]

@Panda: Same. I agree with you on that 100%. Dedication is what gets you up there.

[[WS]Wichifredo]

Hey you guys, I've been in ARPD for over 2 years, and I'm only a Senior Officer.

Yea, its commitment, time, and experience but also skills and required talents. If they have a position and a good candidate to fill it, why wait?

I think its because Sergeant + cant be in a Mafia like you are

[[Rstar]Vince]

Hey you guys, I've been in ARPD for over 2 years, and I'm only a Senior Officer.

Yea, its commitment, time, and experience but also skills and required talents. If they have a position and a good candidate to fill it, why wait?

I think its because Sergeant + cant be in a Mafia like you are

Only Lieutenant and above cannot be in a mafia. Sergeant + used to be the rule but is not it anymore.

[Inkognito.]

I guess, it depends from how much you give to ARPD :') If you are only in the lists of ARPD members, it won't bring you promotion You must be active, also you must help with development of ARPD and SAPD

[Chief J. Schappell]

Exactly.
If you dedicate yourself to the force, you get promoted quickly. I'm a great example of that. I was an officer for just over a month before I got promoted to Senior Officer. I dedicated 2 years as a freecop before applying to become a Cadet, and that lasted less than a month. I even became the most decorated Cadet in the force. Why did I get all these things so easily? Dedication. I've only been a suspect 3 times EVER in SA:MP, and 2 were for unofficially training freecops/cadets in chases. The other one was when I first started there and didn't know what to do. I've never been in a mafia nor have I committed any actual crimes. I'm ALWAYS a cop...never a criminal or even a civilian. I've also never had a complaint/case report against me from a civilian or officer. It's the stuff like that that makes me worthy of such promotions and awards so easily. If I were to suddenly join a mafia and start causing mayhem, that'd definitely slow the process down. If I started being more active as a civilian, it'd show I had less dedication that previously, and that also means things would slow down.
Basically, you have to put into perspective that the high-ranking members of ARPD see the things you do and don't do...and it affects how well you are treated ranking-wise. My number one suggestion is if you want to get up there quickly, do a great job, get no complaints/reports against you, be active, and dedicate yourself. Don't be a criminal if you want to rank up!

[Bianconeri]

good said Sugar,

dedication is also important, together with your actual skills(law knowledge etc..)
if you are on duty a lot, then dont worry, the high rankings will see you
you think they are not looking at you, but they are

if someone gets promoted fast it means he has the quality and is dedicated to the force

and even if you are dedicated dont worry if you dont get fast promotions,
except for senior to sergeant i didnt went up fast either

[JaMeS Alterlis]

<SugarD's text>

I'm faster 

About 2 weeks on freecop, apply on cadet
Train and exam in 1 month, accepted to officer
2 months (or 3?), promoted to senior officer
Another 1 month later, about to be Sergeant in next ceremony but suspended for "Shot DMer infront of Captain's eyes"
Then getting worse each day 
Promoted to Officer again, demoted again
((Some I forgot... I really missed my old time  ))
Accepted as FBI Cadet anyway
Will keep doing best 

[Caion]

<SugarD's text>

I'm faster 

About 2 weeks on freecop, apply on cadet
Train and exam in 1 month, accepted to officer
2 months (or 3?), promoted to senior officer
Another 1 month later, about to be Sergeant in next ceremony but suspended for "Shot DMer infront of Captain's eyes"
Then getting worse each day 
Promoted to Officer again, demoted again
((Some I forgot... I really missed my old time  ))
Accepted as FBI Cadet anyway
Will keep doing best 

For me :P

More then 1 year as freecop!! :P
5 months as cadet.