Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: xphatknightx on September 04, 2009, 00:41:10 am
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everyonce in a while i take a citizen that has been suspected for a RP crime and then they get a lawyer and it turns out there inocent and they demand an unsus, so im not shure 100% on how to do this. should i ask some one in the main chat, use /report, or pm a high ranked officer?
i dont like useing the main chat becuase the admins/high ranked officers never respond
i also dont like PMing them because they never respond and take it as flooding
most of the time i use /report but im not shure if this is abuseing.
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usually when i say it over /r they respond.
but sometimes there busy too.
and i really dont think ur suppost to use /report for something like that.
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Personally, I think that cadets+, or even freecops+, should have the rights to unsuspect ONLY the suspects THEY suspected. That way if it is an error, a mistake, or whatever the case may be, they have that option. Then when high level admins or cops come online, they can still keep their rights to unsuspect anyone suspected with due reasoning. This would make it much easier when the high ranks are not online, which happens ALOT. Even when I play as a Senior Officer and I'm a level 1 admin, what can I do when no one higher is online and someone gets a suspect bug or is abused? It's ridiculous...
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If someone asks me to unsus, I always look at the crime and make sure that they've investigated. If it's a killbug, I investigate fastly by PMing the "victim"...
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Agreed, as do I. I will go as far as investigating the whole thing to make sure it's invalid before even asking other admins to take care of it.
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i allways respond to an unsus request on main chat, but indeed im mostly the only one online that does that
and else just ask in /r
or pm a Sergeant or higher, and else an admin(they are mostly busy with other things)
and since im not admin i only unsuspect when it has been investigated, requested by suspecter,
, crime invalid or killbg(by pming the killed one at /crime)
sadly enough you can suspect for rulebreaking, this ruins the complete server,since they keep rulebreaking to get suspect
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Personally, I think that cadets+, or even freecops+, should have the rights to unsuspect ONLY the suspects THEY suspected. That way if it is an error, a mistake, or whatever the case may be, they have that option. Then when high level admins or cops come online, they can still keep their rights to unsuspect anyone suspected with due reasoning. This would make it much easier when the high ranks are not online, which happens ALOT. Even when I play as a Senior Officer and I'm a level 1 admin, what can I do when no one higher is online and someone gets a suspect bug or is abused? It's ridiculous...
Agreed...
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Personally, I think that cadets+, or even freecops+, should have the rights to unsuspect ONLY the suspects THEY suspected. That way if it is an error, a mistake, or whatever the case may be, they have that option. Then when high level admins or cops come online, they can still keep their rights to unsuspect anyone suspected with due reasoning. This would make it much easier when the high ranks are not online, which happens ALOT. Even when I play as a Senior Officer and I'm a level 1 admin, what can I do when no one higher is online and someone gets a suspect bug or is abused? It's ridiculous...
Agreed...
Agreed also!
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Everytime I have to unsuspect someone I always make sure I do thorough investigation and get both sides of the story/inccident.
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Personally, I think that cadets+, or even freecops+, should have the rights to unsuspect ONLY the suspects THEY suspected. That way if it is an error, a mistake, or whatever the case may be, they have that option. Then when high level admins or cops come online, they can still keep their rights to unsuspect anyone suspected with due reasoning. This would make it much easier when the high ranks are not online, which happens ALOT. Even when I play as a Senior Officer and I'm a level 1 admin, what can I do when no one higher is online and someone gets a suspect bug or is abused? It's ridiculous...
Agreed...
Agreed also!
+1
But not about the freecops unsuspecting, it would be like giving a child a knife..
Cadets+
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If someone asks me to unsus, I always look at the crime and make sure that they've investigated. If it's a killbug, I investigate fastly by PMing the "victim"...
I had the "victim" lie once when it was a killbug. Luckily I still got unsused.
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Personally, I think that cadets+, or even freecops+, should have the rights to unsuspect ONLY the suspects THEY suspected. That way if it is an error, a mistake, or whatever the case may be, they have that option. Then when high level admins or cops come online, they can still keep their rights to unsuspect anyone suspected with due reasoning. This would make it much easier when the high ranks are not online, which happens ALOT. Even when I play as a Senior Officer and I'm a level 1 admin, what can I do when no one higher is online and someone gets a suspect bug or is abused? It's ridiculous...
Agreed...
Agreed also!
+1
But not about the freecops unsuspecting, it would be like giving a child a knife..
Cadets+
I would like to ask how that is so? If they only have the power to unsuspect those THEY had suspected, just like the suggestion states for anyone lower than a Sgt., then what's the issue? I highly doubt they'd go as far as suspecting someone, chasing for awhile, and then suddenly unsuspecting. Even if that was the case, another cop could simply resuspect the suspect and let an admin know. I doubt that will be abused.
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i really wish that cadets + can unsuspect :( because when i deal with people that are abused, i sit there with them protecting them from the abuseing cop for some one to unsuspect them.
there was once a guy who was suspected for "flameing a cop" and he had to wait 5 minuts! before any one unsuspected him.
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i really wish that cadets + can unsuspect :( because when i deal with people that are abused, i sit there with them protecting them from the abuseing cop for some one to unsuspect them.
there was once a guy who was suspected for "flameing a cop" and he had to wait 5 minuts! before any one unsuspected him.
If cadets can unsuspect all cops, then the mafia cops (cops who are in mafia's) will go on duty and cancelsuspect their mates. Of course, he will be demoted, but if no one notices etc.
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@SugarD -
First case: A criminal is suspect for something, his team mate will go on duty, resuspect him while already suspect (yes it's possible, unless he already gave up) and unsuspect him.
Second case: ever heard of these freecops running around like headless chickens looking for a brain suspecting everyone for 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.? They will just spam /su and /cancelsuspect as well, just as they spam the main chat and everything
Consequences: freecops are mostly these players who have just joined the server and need to earn money. Once they discover how to become cops, they see they have a different color, a different uniform, free weapons, can suspect everyone, they usually think to be almighty. Giving them another tool will make them even more Almighty in their minds which will lead to more abusers, more moaners and so on..
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Admins and sergeants+ are here to unsus...
99% of the time you will get a response..
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I hit the 1% last night where there wasn't anybody on who could unsuspect. :(
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Admins and sergeants+ are here to unsus...
99% of the time you will get a response..
make that 90..
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Admins and sergeants+ are here to unsus...
99% of the time you will get a response..
make that 90..
75...
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@SugarD -
First case: A criminal is suspect for something, his team mate will go on duty, resuspect him while already suspect (yes it's possible, unless he already gave up) and unsuspect him.
Second case: ever heard of these freecops running around like headless chickens looking for a brain suspecting everyone for 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.? They will just spam /su and /cancelsuspect as well, just as they spam the main chat and everything
Consequences: freecops are mostly these players who have just joined the server and need to earn money. Once they discover how to become cops, they see they have a different color, a different uniform, free weapons, can suspect everyone, they usually think to be almighty. Giving them another tool will make them even more Almighty in their minds which will lead to more abusers, more moaners and so on..
You're still missing my point. I'm saying to unsuspect only THEIR suspects. That means ONLY their own suspects. Not anybody else's. If they spam it, it'll be more than obvious to cops and admins and they will be removed from the server. Besides, most freecops don't even know the commands as it is, and Mafia cops couldn't abuse it either. If you set it up the same way as the normal unsuspect system, then their valid reason should be enough. If it's invalid admins can always fix that like they can already do with the normal system.
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@SugarD -
First case: A criminal is suspect for something, his team mate will go on duty, resuspect him while already suspect (yes it's possible, unless he already gave up) and unsuspect him.
Second case: ever heard of these freecops running around like headless chickens looking for a brain suspecting everyone for 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.? They will just spam /su and /cancelsuspect as well, just as they spam the main chat and everything
Consequences: freecops are mostly these players who have just joined the server and need to earn money. Once they discover how to become cops, they see they have a different color, a different uniform, free weapons, can suspect everyone, they usually think to be almighty. Giving them another tool will make them even more Almighty in their minds which will lead to more abusers, more moaners and so on..
You're still missing my point. I'm saying to unsuspect only THEIR suspects. That means ONLY their own suspects. Not anybody else's. If they spam it, it'll be more than obvious to cops and admins and they will be removed from the server. Besides, most freecops don't even know the commands as it is, and Mafia cops couldn't abuse it either. If you set it up the same way as the normal unsuspect system, then their valid reason should be enough. If it's invalid admins can always fix that like they can already do with the normal system.
What is there to misunderstand. I suspect people for not paying a ticket and then they want to pay. Why should I not be able to unsuspected my own person? Hard to abuse and if it is your screen will light up with blue text and it will move to the admins hands. How could this not be beneficial?
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That's exactly what I just said...
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well now that u say it, i do believe cadets+ should have the ability to unsus there own person.
and ur right it really couldnt be abused like that.
as SugarD stated...
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I never really did understand the concept to making speeding a legit reason to suspect. Not EVADING, Im talking specifically about SPEEDING. Considering the fact if you /su them for speeding. They do not evade and pull over pay the fine and leave...but oh wait they're still suspected...and nobody is online to unsus.
I just bring that story up because it happened to me already as a civilian.
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The reason why speeding as a crime was recently allowed is because people abuse the ability to fly past officers patrolling on foot before they can be stopped or suspected, even though officers know what ID it is.
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Ok, that is fine. But say they do stop a distance down the road by another officer and pay the fine without any trouble given to the officer. They're still suspected...
The officer who initiated the traffic stop should radio to the suspecting unit to cancel the suspect's violation.