SAPD today - a rant

[James_Hunter]

"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.

The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.

[Jay_Adams]

As I said the criminals in the past are not like the criminals today,so of course the cops in the past are not like the cops now.

Yes, the criminals of today clearly have changed, though I'd like to see you explain as to why they've changed, and into what.

[Cyril]

"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.

The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try.

You can still do it. Join the server, team up with who ever you want, and show us a video.

[Marco Cipone]

Well everything I see lately is only complaining again and again about SAPD/SWAT.Do you at least have good reasons?If you do,go REPORT this and not post in 10000 places how much you dislike us.

Also I must admit,it doesn't seem you were provoking us in that picture...and when an admin came there he just abused you,right?We know how it is..

[James_Hunter]

"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.

The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try.

You can still do it. Join the server, team up with who ever you want, and show us a video.

Alright! Through all of that, the first legitimate challenge and reasoning against what I've been talking about. It might take a couple of weeks but i'll humor this request.

Provoking won't assist you on making your point anyhow - Captain Plam Knight

What I can't edit my own post now without you deleting that as well? It's like the government media, say only what they want you to say. - Citizen James Hunter

[Marco Cipone]

Nice provocation,what can I say..but I advise you to stop.

[Ronnel]

"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.

The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.

On the contrary. It was decided that firing all leaders based on your view that you want your own friends in command positions was not how we work.

[James_Hunter]

That's completely a presumption, at no given point have I stressed that replacements should be friends of mine; they should have the guts about them and the energy about them to actually do some work and try to make things better than what they are how-ever, nothing's been done! Even if behind closed doors? It's still paper format, we have leaders such as Sushi that I really respect, I don't know the man beyond occasional meetings on the field. So that kind of proves your ... accusation I suppose ... incorrect.

[AirOne]

"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.

The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.

On the contrary. It was decided that firing all leaders based on your view that you want your own friends in command positions was not how we work.

Nothing much to say ,Except agreed

[James_Hunter]

Nothing much to say

You got that right.

[Renz0]

Okay so.

Current SWAT guys = perfect SRU.

- Reworking SWAT with tactical response.


@Don - Not provokation, this is serious matter which needs to be solved asap. Hiding from it, that will not solve anything. Only thing how we can solve it to STAND infront it, dealing with it with any hurts. If i post some idea, it's only provokoation and also " You are not in SAPD you cant do shit, you should think it while you were SAPD" and that bullshit.

People willing to help SAPD if they are NOT part of it is just exclusive.


As i said, SAPD and SWAT needs to be restructured, i got few ideas. If you want, i can give you my MSN and we can discuss. Always willing to help, even If I'm oout of SAPD for second time. Trust me, i really want to help, but someone needs to give me a try?

[Renz0]

"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.

The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.

On the contrary. It was decided that firing all leaders based on your view that you want your own friends in command positions was not how we work.

It can be also friends, but the problem is, they are WILLING to improve things.. It can be also enemies or some other people, but if they are working hard and WILLING to help whole system, this is awesome.

[Cyril]

Why people keep talking about SWAT when they don't know how it works ? SWAT is already doing tactical part : cf SAPD 207 cases

[Jcstodds]

Probably best in your case James to make your own Group outside of SAPD. Then you have all the opportunity you need.

[James_Hunter]

Absaloutely JC, it's just saying what needs to be said is all ~ someone had to take a sledgehammer to the wall of slime. ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

[Ronnel]

It can be also friends, but the problem is, they are WILLING to improve things.. It can be also enemies or some other people, but if they are working hard and WILLING to help whole system, this is awesome.

If James_Hunter would have been willing to work with the system as provided and decided by the Government, he would have been welcome. The system he was leading in the past was working while there were active leaders (mostly himself) and failed due to being too restrictive as soon as he left.
This led to new groups emerging that had SWAT staff working outside their own regulations.
To go back to a system that already failed was not correct, and also allowing rogue groups seems to attract trouble more than help.

[Renz0]

Okay.

SWAT work is based on:

Responding to kidnap situation.
Responding to heavy C30
Responding to situations when SAPD can't handle it on their own.
Responding to high protection of president, and all high diplomacy.
Responding to barricated situation when civilian is in danger by guns or any other threats, bombs etc.


I never SWAT in high speed vehicles chasing anyone, correct me if I'm wrong. SWAT can respond also in SWAT ranchers, which you are able to /weabonabuse.


If SAPD was working as team, they don't need SWAT for four suspects in a CAR Drivebying. Just get some units, block some area, just as bridges, make their car go boom, take cover, try to survive and work as team.

I saw many of "Y U NO RESPOND TO C30". Basically, the officers might be in different location than you and responding takes some time.

[Jonny O'Sullivan]

SWAT work is based on:

Responding to kidnap situation.
Responding to heavy C30
Responding to situations when SAPD can't handle it on their own.
Responding to high protection of president, and all high diplomacy.
Responding to barricated situation when civilian is in danger by guns or any other threats, bombs etc.


I never SWAT in high speed vehicles chasing anyone, correct me if I'm wrong. SWAT can respond also in SWAT ranchers, which you are able to /weaponequip.

This is exactly how it should be... SWAT is there for these types situations only. Their job is NOT to drive around perusing suspects in fast cars.

To go back to a system that already failed was not correct, and also allowing rogue groups seems to attract trouble more than help.

Fair point, like you said it would be a waste of time to go back to a system that already failed. It did fail because the leaders went inactive. But you have to realise one thing, there are still people here that WANT it to go back to the old system. People who prefer it to be that way, the way SWAT is meant to be. Those people are willing to help SWAT revert back to the old system and make it stay like that.

I have no problem if the group of cops stay and drive around in their fast cars killing suspects with nice pretty weapons... But what I do have a problem with is that they are using the name of SWAT as a cover up to be able to do that.

This is a plead to you now as many other would like to say the same thing aswell. Please can you just reconsider the whole SWAT situation, even if it means making SRU or whatever they want to be called an Official subgroup. Let SWAT return to the highly trained and skilled tactical group that it use to be.

[Renz0]

Fully agreeing with Jonny.

[Ronnel]

It is the leaders who went inactive and showed disloyalty that are now begging to be reinstated with their old system.
When I see who are most vocal in the topic it are people who seem to regret having thrown away what they had in Argonath and are now trying to get it back by backstabbing and trying to prove they were so much better in the past.

Sorry guys, you threw it away. Any further bad girling can result in us inviting you to bad girl elsewhere.