Riot Police

[Chief J. Schappell]

I just realized something...why doesn't ARPD have an official Riot Police team created? Please don't tell me that is S.W.A.T.'s job because it is not. S.W.A.T. is meant for high-risk, dangerous situations that require specialized weapons and tactics to subdue limited numbers of armed suspects. Riot Police are meant for high-risk, dangerous situations involving armed and unarmed civilians in very large groups.

Honestly, I think it would be a great idea if ARPD implemented this on all servers. If we have a riot in Argonath, we have no strong defense against it aside from pulling officers off the streets and attempting to arrest each and every violent attacker while be attacked by other people, (and no, I'm saying RP, not DM ).
In all honesty, even if it were an elite group, either created alongside or under S.W.A.T., it still seems necessary, not to mention it would be great for large-scale, server-wide RP's. Not much would need to be added scripting-wise for this either. It would simply be a copy of the S.W.A.T. team skins, but having the officers armed with batons and large amounts of tear gas+pepper spray. It could easily work in the same way, and they could be cross-compatible with S.W.A.T.
To go even further, you could have a special black-painted firetruck and an additional S.W.A.T. tank spawned at the location of the HQ for this group, if not at S.W.A.T. HQ, for use in riots. The hose would be perfect for spraying down large-groups of rioters that are attempting to push forward, as would the large amounts of tear gas being thrown. When the group disperses, Riot Police, S.W.A.T., and standard police officers could swoop in and arrest any that remain at the scene that are being violent and refusing to back down, just like in real life. This could easily promote very big, very fun RP's for many people, and it could be roleplayed over server events, such as a high official being murdered, a corrupt cop being tried in court, taxes being too high, etc.

If the group is controlled in the same way S.W.A.T. currently is and is not available except in situations where they are needed just as S.W.A.T. does, I don't think this could be easily abused.

[Cruel Cooking Chef Curry Alterlis]

I just realized something...why doesn't ARPD have an official Riot Police team created? Please don't tell me that is S.W.A.T.'s job because it is not. S.W.A.T. is meant for high-risk, dangerous situations that require specialized weapons and tactics to subdue limited numbers of armed suspects. Riot Police are meant for high-risk, dangerous situations involving armed and unarmed civilians in very large groups.

IRL, it is SWAT's job.
SWAT have their own Subdivision "Riot Police", that's what we see on the news, the "Riot Police" are "SWAT"
Anyway, I support to create Riot Police Subdivision, but I think we should talk to SWAT and such

[Jcstodds]

  The unofficial riot police is me in a truck with a bottle of whiskey mowing down those hippies yeehah!

S.W.A.T. is meant for high-risk, dangerous situations that require specialized weapons and tactics to subdue limited numbers of armed suspects.

Riot Police are meant for high-risk, dangerous situations involving armed and unarmed civilians in very large groups.

So basically all SWAT have to do to be riot police is not have tactics? and then they can control large numbers?


Riot police do not handle armed suspects, if by armed you mean have guns. Riot police stop rioting civilians, not gangsters and the like. Riot police use non lethal forces such as batons, spray, water cannons...

[Chief J. Schappell]

That's now what I'm saying. I'm saying S.W.A.T. is meant for small situations. Riot Police are meant for large-scale incidents involving many people.

And no, by armed I meant with objects, sticks, fire, home-made molotov cocktails, etc., not guns.

@Tactics comment: No. I did not say that Riot Police don't use tactics, or that that's all S.W.A.T. needs to change themselves. I'm saying that S.W.A.T. is based on their tactics to subdue enemies, where-as Riot Police are based on tactics to provide incident and crowd control.

@oMiRaClEo: No, S.W.A.T. are not Riot Police. Riot police are specially-trained standard officers in riot gear. They don't use the weapons or tactics S.W.A.T. uses as it is a conflict of interest and safety. Riot police in some departments may be made a subdivision of S.W.A.T., but they are not the same thing at all.


P.S. Check this out for the general idea of Riot Police :
http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/riot-police-swat-order-crowd-to-leave-channel-4-action-news-reporter-included/441601858/?icid=VIDLRVNWS09

(( Lol @ Captain America guy with his shield just after 6:00 in xD ))

[Jay_Adams]

That's now what I'm saying. I'm saying S.W.A.T. is meant for small situations. Riot Police are meant for large-scale incidents involving many people.

S.W.A.T. Is not ment for "small situations"

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

[Chief J. Schappell]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_police

According to what I am reading, they are still considered separated forces within the police department...
Note how it states that S.W.A.T. carries highly-fatal weaponry, where-as is repeatedly mentions Riot Police only being armed with batons, whips, pellet guns, rubber bullets, tear gas and tear gas guns, etc.

Having these two as one would easily be a conflict in safety as S.W.A.T. carries heavy weaponry, and if the S.W.A.T. officer was attacked and panicked, it could result in an accidental death regardless of training. Instinct always has the ability to override any amount of training, so you must be careful. With the Riot Police, their weapons are pre-limited to the above mentioned, lowering the risk of fatalities in an event such as this.

[jemerson]

Every municipality runs SWAT differently. This is how we run ours. Most departments have nothing called a riot police anyway.

[Alan Demarest]

And how often are there riots in Argonath? I have -Never- seen one.

A lot of trouble for something that wont get used.

And -if- there is a riot, S.W.A.T, normal SAPD Officers etc, they know how to deal with it. Pepper Spray, Baton, that is something ALL Officers get. So why create a new -class- of police just for that?

[Jcstodds]

   Yeah to be fair the riots were in the good old days 

My serious opinion on this matter is that Riot police would be a rarely used department, with very little to do, and very little point. It is something any cop could RP, but a department or group dedicated to it would be a waste of resources. It would be the equivalent (in my opinion) of having a police squad for every crime... which is not necessary.

[Cruel Cooking Chef Curry Alterlis]

I'm trying to say that

"Riot Police" are Subdivision/Squad of SWAT

Read the abreviation of SWAT, maybe?

"Special Weapons And Tactics"
It not meant, SWAT deal only with weapons, person with guns, etc.
They also deal the riot, and such protest, etc.

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

Here's the easy prove:

In GTA SA, see SWAT Truck? With Water cannon?
Yes, It's SWAT Truck. Not "Riot Police" Truck.
Or try search on Google/Wikipedia, "Riot", in the picture, you will see "Riot Police" vehicle marked as "SWAT"

[Chief J. Schappell]

I'm trying to say that

"Riot Police" are Subdivision/Squad of SWAT

Read the abreviation of SWAT, maybe?

"Special Weapons And Tactics"
It not meant, SWAT deal only with weapons, person with guns, etc.
They also deal the riot, and such protest, etc.

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

Here's the easy prove:

In GTA SA, see SWAT Truck? With Water cannon?
Yes, It's SWAT Truck. Not "Riot Police" Truck.
Or try search on Google/Wikipedia, "Riot", in the picture, you will see "Riot Police" vehicle marked as "SWAT"

Thanks for the indirect flames, but if you bothered to read my posts, you would notice that I wrote that SOME departments have them as a subdivision, others don't. And yes, I read Wikipedia..., hence why I posted those links.

[Cruel Cooking Chef Curry Alterlis]

Thanks for the indirect flames, but if you bothered to read my posts, you would notice that I wrote that SOME departments have them as a subdivision, others don't. And yes, I read Wikipedia..., hence why I posted those links.

I'm not trying to flame you in anyway -_-
It is true that some department have the Riot Police as Subdivision, because they don't have SWAT or doesn't want SWAT to handle the situation, it's their country's government decidement

Mostly, such as USA, SWAT handle the riot
But, some country, such as UK, Normal police handle riot

It's just difference between countries's national police

I admit that I was wrong, and I'm sorry if I trying to indirect flame you 

[JDC]

SWAT is not meant just for small-scale situations... SWAT IRL may be so, but the ARPD SWAT is a different story.

If there are 10-30 civilians yelling their guts out in front of LSPD, Officers can just get in their cruisers and mow the civilians like a lawn (no, I'm kidding) come with tear gas, pepper spray, while SWAT can come with the SWAT truck as well... they already have enough equipment.

If all else fails, Pancher or CBFasi can just get the Hydra / Hunter and scare the civilians away by faking an airstrike. It works all the time (except on idiots who want to jump in the line of fire and risk getting hit by miniguns and exploding missiles), trust me.

[RoryAnstruther]

Know your facts, before you say what the real life cops do lol - In real life, SWAT doesn't normally handle riot situations or crowd control, first line of riot police is patrol Officers, second line there's usually a riot team (crowd control specialists), and all departments get involved.. So in this scenario, if Argonath was to break out in a riot, and yes it has happened before, all law enforcement on duty would become the riot police and handle the crowd control. It is the duty of the SWAT team to come to peaceful resolutions and terms with hostage situations, barricaded suspects, or high profile cases. A riot is too petty for a SWAT team to "waste" their time.

I've been in a riot on the police side before, downtown Chico, October 2008, and there was never a SWAT team present. I've never once seen a SWAT team, at least in America get deployed for crowd control (which is what a riot scenario is), it's always the patrol Officers.

[Note]: I speak on terms of the comment made about Police Officers in real life regarding crowd control, not the in-game SWAT team. In game SWAT may handle things different than real life, I speak only about the actual actions regarding real police work.

Mostly, such as USA, SWAT handle the riot

Wrong. Exact opposite. Please do not take guesses and assume you're right You could have said, "From what I've seen, in the USA it seems that SWAT handles the riots."

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

Maybe in Argonath, yes. In real life, wrong. 

[Jay_Adams]

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

Maybe in Argonath, yes. In real life, wrong. 

I was referring to Argonath.
S.W.A.T.  Is all about saving lifes, not taking them.

We are trained in such tactics to be able to deal with riots.
We will deploy to riots due to the fact we
One: Have the training
Two: The equipment.

[Jcstodds]

  People seem to be getting confused with real life and a game! 

[RoryAnstruther]

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

Maybe in Argonath, yes. In real life, wrong. 

I was referring to Argonath.
S.W.A.T.  Is all about saving lifes, not taking them.

We are trained in such tactics to be able to deal with riots.
We will deploy to riots due to the fact we
One: Have the training
Two: The equipment.

Oh yeah I understand that, my comment was in response to all the comments about real life riots

[Chief J. Schappell]

All Riots are coverd by S.W.A.T.

Maybe in Argonath, yes. In real life, wrong. 

I was referring to Argonath.
S.W.A.T.  Is all about saving lifes, not taking them.

I know that. Good quote BTW.
Anyway, I'm aware of that Jay, but S.W.A.T. is also trained as paramilitary in the event they need to. Riot Police are trained in less/non-lethal defenses only, aside from standard police training.

[Jcstodds]

  I use my Sheriff roleplay even when I'm in SWAT uniform. As a sheriff I have shot many rusty cans and jailed many criminals. Yet, since I am SWAT, it doesn't mean that I now go around shooting doors down, jumping through windows and massacring the family pets looking to give out a fine for a guy who damaged a lamp post the other week. Ok, I might do some of that. But the point is - In Argonath, you can think of SWAT as normal SAPD with a bit of extra training.
  SWAT does not reflect on real life SWAT 100%, because it is adapted because this is a game! It is also a freestyle RP game, which means RP doesn't necessarily have to be realistic, only have the potential to be believable.

  All things considered, the idea of a Riot police division would be anti productive for ARPD and would not be able to contribute much to the job SAPD can do already. It is not a question of who's job it is. In this server, all law enforcements have shared duties. It is a question of will riot police contribute to anything in the server and RP. It can create more RP, more training, but in the end there are insufficient riots in the first place, and since this is a game- specialist training is not required to handle such situations, as normal cop RP would suffice at the very least. Having FBI and SWAT are just a bonus which add a few more dimensions into the situation, should one arise.

[Wolfe]

  I use my Sheriff roleplay even when I'm in SWAT uniform. As a sheriff I have shot many rusty cans and jailed many criminals. Yet, since I am SWAT, it doesn't mean that I now go around shooting doors down, jumping through windows and massacring the family pets looking to give out a fine for a guy who damaged a lamp post the other week. Ok, I might do some of that. But the point is - In Argonath, you can think of SWAT as normal SAPD with a bit of extra training.
  SWAT does not reflect on real life SWAT 100%, because it is adapted because this is a game! It is also a freestyle RP game, which means RP doesn't necessarily have to be realistic, only have the potential to be believable.

  All things considered, the idea of a Riot police division would be anti productive for ARPD and would not be able to contribute much to the job SAPD can do already. It is not a question of who's job it is. In this server, all law enforcements have shared duties. It is a question of will riot police contribute to anything in the server and RP. It can create more RP, more training, but in the end there are insufficient riots in the first place, and since this is a game- specialist training is not required to handle such situations, as normal cop RP would suffice at the very least. Having FBI and SWAT are just a bonus which add a few more dimensions into the situation, should one arise.

I guess you mean the time you almost killed me with a Katana..but i'm just spamming here, gu dpoint Jcs