AGAIN cops refused to listen to CODE 30/PURPLE..

[James Bowling]

i am sure they would call swat if they get active people like really i only see them on criminal or "we cant respond are commander is not on oh no bla bla"

Wait wait wait... I don't think you know what you are saying. Look we need a Commander or a Team leader to call out swat Or an Operative in certain situations. Now were getting re-organized and time zones are an issue. SWAT has been going 1-2ce a day, would you rather it being how it was before we got our new commanders... No SWAT what so ever.... and we don't have a lot of Operatives to Please don't put this on SWAT.
        One other thing, WHY just because you are a Member of SWAT you are forced to be on-duty at all time? You get to go off duty and commit crimes. Hell last night I pulled you over when you were a criminal... So whats the deal!!

O and this topic is about the Officers not responding to a Code 30 that they should have... Why is this SWAT problem?

A great poet once said "Count your blessings instead of your crosses. Count your gains instead of your losses."

[Biesmen]

Why are we talking about SWAT if the subject is: AGAIN cops refused to listen to CODE 30/PURPLE..
SWAT is not responsible for what happened at Idlewood. We are COPS we can do this without or with SWAT. SWAT would be better though. But WE should and WE can handle this.
It's like you guys say that it's SWAT's fault that nobody responded to the code 30/purple.

[smey]

I haven't been called on duty not even once, so I could help others! Not even a once!
As you can see, I was online at that time!

No offense, but I called every unit in DPD channel, you said:  "busy doing homework" ..

[smey]

Yesterday was a total f**ked up day if you needed back up. I got killed four times ..  And  I think I had just left when this situation occurred.

I tried to set up an assault team.
Unfortunately, you was already busy with Ethan, so that's good.
But no one else responded, for damn's sake.

That was the day before, and that was even worse

[Leroy Hudson]

And again, many units do not respond because;

a. They have a situations already which is life threatening to them, they cannot respond or they may be killed.
b. Some units go A.F.K on duty, and do not see this.
c. Some units are very far, and try to respond but it may take them too much time to arrive, depending on they're vehicle type.

There is a lot of reasons.
But if you cannot get a response, then do not just go on scene and get yourself killed, take cover, wait as long as you can alive, keep cover, if you're pursued by suspects on scene who try to kill you, get out of there.

I also remember responding to this call, I was in a S.A.P.D helicopter, unless it was the same situation, with near enough same suspects. Not sure, but I actually responded to this situation or alike this one, same location from San fierro, I think what you need to do in these situations are to take cover, try to keep your patience and keep calling regularly for backup, if you shout, most units do not respond.

[Biesmen]

There were units running, walking and do nothing, driving without sirens aka patrolling, and there were two who said 'can't be arsed'.

[Blinky]

let me first warn you that this is just my opinion of what ive heard others say and ive felt at times.

As a sgt of ARPD, im assgined to DPD which makes me a primary backup to LSPD and SFPD as County covers all areas in a sense. but lately alot of cops dont wanna responde to Code 30's because often the case, (1 or 2) cops will engage and provoke certain gangs or mafias to get into a shootout, thus causing a code 30. you can spend a decent 1 hour to 2 hours online during peak times (75 + players) and you should be able to hear about atleast 2 code 30s at gvardia hq,  so in certain officers minds .. why go if the criminal never RP's.  why should an officer drive from LS to SF to only get DM'ed or killed b/c criminal  doesnt RP with cops.   A CODE 30 often means a shootout (DM) of people involved.  while a traffic stop or any other police vs civilian action is considered more roleplay.

so again since this server is RP server, most cops wanna engage in RP and not run around map getting into shootouts and Die 24/7.

Should we force our officers to go .. no    , but maybe we can encourage our officers to go to code 30s by another way.

but mainly  this is an RP server and 8 out of 10 code 30s  dont have any  RP whatsoever and are just considered a DM.

i personally will go to a code 30 if im needed but id rather stay where im at if im not in same area of code 30 (meaning if im in SF and code 30 in LS .. if im needed ill go but id most likely stick to my area.

As in real life,  if a massive shootout happens,  a lot of cops will go but some cops stay over to protect the city or nearby citys from other dangers.

[James Bowling]

so again since this server is RP server, most cops wanna engage in RP and not run around map getting into shootouts and Die 24/7.

Agreed, but we have to think of a bigger problem. Yes we should not have to do that because if the civilians were real Rpers, then they wouldn't be shooting all day. Do you in real life get shot every 3 seconds that's a problem for the argo players. The bigger problem is that an Officer is getting shot at and no one will help him. From a Rp/Rl stand point if a cop was getting shot the Whole Police department would respond.

i personally will go to a code 30 if im needed but id rather stay where im at if im not in same area of code 30 (meaning if im in SF and code 30 in LS .. if im needed ill go but id most likely stick to my area.

Yes I understand this, we have a low amount of SF units so I stay in SF unless I am Requested or Ordered to leave for a situation. When a Code 30 arises I always try to respond though but with a 5 min trip to LS it takes me while to get there.

[jemerson]

(1 or 2) cops will engage and provoke certain gangs or mafias to get into a shootout, thus causing a code 30.

Very true

[Biesmen]

let me first warn you that this is just my opinion of what ive heard others say and ive felt at times.
(1 or 2) cops will engage and provoke certain gangs or mafias to get into a shootout, thus causing a code 30.
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That's very true.
When the Code 30 was over, there were still a few innocent people from a gang or mafia, and a few cops were randomly aiming on these people, and SHOOT. So we had a code 30 again. But it ended very well, but many cops refused to listen to this C30, because it was provoked. And I agree with this refusing to that provoked C30, that was totally non-rp.

[Blinky]

I dont think moaning is the issue here, i think it is the fact that this is an RP server and true saying (mafias n gangs) most criminal groups wont RP shootouts or anything, its just a reason to DM cops, why should we send 15-20 cops to Gvardia HQ for a shootout, when we can send 5 or 10 and let them keep going back and use other 5-10 to RP and make server what it is.

we need to stop provoking criminal groups to cause a code 30,  code 30 only happens once in a blue moon in IRL, so in argo it should only happen once or twice a day, not once or twice very 20-30 mins lol.  im not saying dont responde. but i dont feel that we should be forced to leave a Decent RP traffic stop or anything for that matter that is actually RP to go run and get into a crazy DM.  i for one love Rping and id rather sit out on a code 30 and create/have RP then to run to a massive shootout and get killed only to go back, if i wanted that id go to a DM server and or cops n robbers server.

IRL if 10 cops gang up on 2 criminals, those criminals would likely give up, but in ARGO. they get into massive DM and run into an HQ refill health and come back out.  ALL NON-realistic

[Oliver Daniels]

I dont think moaning is the issue here, i think it is the fact that this is an RP server and true saying (mafias n gangs) most criminal groups wont RP shootouts or anything, its just a reason to DM cops

I can say the same for cops: Most cops won't roleplay any shootouts and just go rambo on the criminals. I've seen it happen way too many times.

[[Rstar]Vince]

I dont think moaning is the issue here, i think it is the fact that this is an RP server and true saying (mafias n gangs) most criminal groups wont RP shootouts or anything, its just a reason to DM cops

I can say the same for cops: Most cops won't roleplay any shootouts and just go rambo on the criminals. I've seen it happen way too many times.

How do you roleplay a shootout? I can understand if you're talking about using tactics.. and if you are, then you should've been there last night when myself, Matrixbob, and a bunch of others were there during that Gvardia shootout.

[Blinky]

I dont think moaning is the issue here, i think it is the fact that this is an RP server and true saying (mafias n gangs) most criminal groups wont RP shootouts or anything, its just a reason to DM cops

I can say the same for cops: Most cops won't roleplay any shootouts and just go rambo on the criminals. I've seen it happen way too many times.

How do you roleplay a shootout? I can understand if you're talking about using tactics.. and if you are, then you should've been there last night when myself, Matrixbob, and a bunch of others were there during that Gvardia shootout.

First off, suspects could RP when we try to arrest them during code 30 and not just gun and run, ALSO COPS could rp more too.

and no offense cheif but i was there last night and i did lead a 2nd tactical flank with several other SASD units and in said flank i sustained gunshots and died.
you even told me to go to Alpha team.

[Sago]

Hi.  Unfortunately you can't force people to play but you can encourage it

Gvardia fears me.

[[Rstar]Vince]

The issue there, Blinky, is the tactic part. Criminals do not use actual tactics, but they know how to shoot using lag, they know the small things that we do not, as well as the fact that they have home field advantage.

Who knows, there may be some training for these type of situations in the not so near future..

[Boozman]

Who knows, there may be some training for these type of situations in the not so near future..

You can almost bet on it

[James Bowling]

The issue there, Blinky, is the tactic part. Criminals do not use actual tactics, but they know how to shoot using lag

Well, I think that the criminals know basic tactics mostly flanking (Running at us). I think that we need to work on tactics. The one single thing that I see it that officers usually take their pd cars too close to the scene, an example.

E.x. Gvardia Hq 5 suspects barricaded 4 officers on scene They Pull their cars upto the gate park them and get behind them... They will get shot through the fence and they will get rushed and killed easily.

Solution: Wait for more units {Id say 6} While you wait park near the building which looks like a fire department to the east.. barcade the road..

What can happen: They may try to rush but they will have to run at least 30 yards.. in that time you will be able to successfully down the suspect with desert eagle. This way when the officers arrive and you will be able to enter the complex safely.

The worst thing that could happen is that they get in a car and run. But all the officers are safe and will be able to go home and see their family's.