Reminder to all cops.

[Oliver Daniels]

how about start a project together with SAPD, in a way that involves whole SAPD, including cadets and chiefs?

And where would you conjure up the interest in that sort of project?

[[Rstar]Vince]

Let me get one thing straight... SAPD is an elite team apart of the ARPD. We are a professional group that gets the job done and also has time to relax and lay back every once and a while for a good laugh.. No, we are not here to write up daily reports everyday and no, we are not here to force you to do this that and the other thing 24/7 or you will be fired.. but yes, we are here to act professional and as a family. That means we do not argue with one and other as some have in this topic.

If you are here in this topic thinking "hurr durr i am a officer/senior officer/sergeant/WHATEVER and dont give a shit and just go out there and act like a tard in shootouts and will blatantly ignore this topic or say I DONT HAVE TO" - you're wrong, and you can start writing up your resignation letter now before you are fired... there are freecops on the server for a reason, and we are here to show a positive example, not to act like lazy shits...

If I have to I will start to clean up the lazy shits in this PD myself if this is how some of you treat a word of friendly advice... warning to all.

[Joseph_Allen]

how about start a project together with SAPD, in a way that involves whole SAPD, including cadets and chiefs?

And where would you conjure up the interest in that sort of project?

Good point. As it stands, the most commonly used tactic is DM style rambo-ing. Both Cops and Suspects use it because for them, it's effective. We need to give them a reason to start learning how to fight using cover, tactics, etc.

[Jcstodds]

  Oliver does have a valid point here, and it is one of the reasons I believe SAPD should positively enforce a no return rule.

[Bianconeri]

This is just a big mistake of the people that this is directed to!
just rushing in and getting killed!

cops with common sense will take cover and shoot from there,
so why should that cops be punished because some dumb cops do that sort of things?

that rule should not get to work with cops! cops should be able to return after death,
mostly because everyone is too lazy to respond and also because normally cops would have much more units on it then is possible,
as back up will come, coming back after death is that back up.

1 thing to stop that partly would be to work together more

Also criminals like to use lame weapons, deathmatching, cop hunting and other of that tactics that it is needed to return sometimes

[Husky]

I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.

usually people like you the one jumping in the middle of a shootout get killed by own police mates becouse of the cross fire and then start "moaning" in the chat on how people shoot and/or call criminals and/or cops DMrs, we know the drill mr "Im here to have fun", please have fun using common sense.

[Wayne]

please have fun using common sense.

common sense is different from being killed by thousands of criminals.

It is like: Low health? get away from the suspect and heal yourself.

3 armed suspects? take a nice cover and keep falling back, then call for backup.

a suspect is running? go after him also!

Also criminals like to use lame weapons, deathmatching, cop hunting and other of that tactics that it is needed to return sometimes

Well.. those "Lame" weapons are used by freecops and cops also.
In my honest opinion, they are not lame, they just have a weak point, each gun.
If you find out, won't be a problem.

ex. Combat shotguns can paralyze you from short distance and does alot of damage
solution: stay in mid distance, shotguns are weak in mid to long distance, deagle still does good damage on mid damage. near of the cops, if they rush in, he will be shot down by nearby cops 
This is my personal conclusion, you can create tactics by your own thoughts and experiences.


As for deathmatching and cophunting 80% of players have a reason for why killing the cop/civil
In the moment you put your sirens on and/or follow the suspect, he has right to shoot back.

[JayL]

If we want no return rule we also want SWAT to be available all time, because at first sight of anything regarding reduction in amount of cops criminals will go mayhem. And if we die, byebye.

[Kenny]

If we want no return rule we also want SWAT to be available all time, because at first sight of anything regarding reduction in amount of cops criminals will go mayhem. And if we die, byebye.

The "no return rule" shouldnt be enforced, but the morale of this topic is that cops abusing their right to return after death which infact threw out the police work out of the window and made cops looks like some thugs who were never trained.

If cops were to have a "no return rule" am sure they will think twice before they do silly shit in the middle of a shootout, so INSTEAD of having a rule restrict us lets use our brains and be more professional in the field

[Husky]

please have fun using common sense.

common sense is different from being killed by thousands of criminals.

It is like: Low health? get away from the suspect and heal yourself.

3 armed suspects? take a nice cover and keep falling back, then call for backup.

a suspect is running? go after him also!

If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...

[Boozman]

please have fun using common sense.

common sense is different from being killed by thousands of criminals.

It is like: Low health? get away from the suspect and heal yourself.

3 armed suspects? take a nice cover and keep falling back, then call for backup.

a suspect is running? go after him also!

If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...

What do you expect them to do? /me pulls the trigger every time they shoot their gun?
I don't get how you would "Roleplay" a proper shootout. There is no roleplay involved once shots are fired, mainly because no one wants to get killed in the middle of typing something in /L or /me.

Your weapon is permitted to be used any time your life is in danger. Your life is in danger just by walking down the street.
This is the case in real life too, high risk traffic stops, disturbance calls, etc.
The fact of the matter is, sure you could chase after him instead of shooting him to stop him, but when you turn a corner BOOM 7 shells of combat to the face.

Always have your weapon ready, unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no danger. Doesn't mean you have to shoot it, but it does mean that you need to be ready in case you are to be shot at.

[Husky]

What do you expect them to do? /me pulls the trigger every time they shoot their gun?
I don't get how you would "Roleplay" a proper shootout. There is no roleplay involved once shots are fired, mainly because no one wants to get killed in the middle of typing something in /L or /me.

Your weapon is permitted to be used any time your life is in danger. Your life is in danger just by walking down the street.
This is the case in real life too, high risk traffic stops, disturbance calls, etc.
The fact of the matter is, sure you could chase after him instead of shooting him to stop him, but when you turn a corner BOOM 7 shells of combat to the face.

Always have your weapon ready, unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no danger. Doesn't mean you have to shoot it, but it does mean that you need to be ready in case you are to be shot at.

Usually when you're in a shoot out you don't feel like Rambo and you dont get out of the cover to run towards the criminal/police officer, usually you move from cover to cover and you don't use your lags to dodge the bullets, i never said that you have to /me pulls out the gun and pulls the trigger becouse thats bullshit, but ofcourse you're always right mr. Right, also i never talked about the guns i was refering to the situations such as: you are behind your car, the suspect surrendered and you head to him aiming, he stays still untill you lower your gun to type anything at that point he draws a weapon and starts to shoot you, you panic and get in cover(usually) or start running around and shoot eachother, if you success to get in cover you start to call back up(usually) and at that point the criminal switches to a combat shotgun and starts going around the car meanwhile you are typing core 30(wich eventually noone is going to answer) and kills you, you get mad and log off the server.

The only negotiation you have with the suspect/officer is /s1 - 2 - 3 or justrandom rp flame i never actually saw negotiating with the suspect neither the suspect cooperating to it, ofcourse if they want rp rmbo vs robocop its fine for me nobody is forcing you to do anything, but atleast if you do don't complain about it, OR find a solution that fits both instead of continuosly whining on eachother w/o ending and solving nothing.

[Mac_Cabrazi]

I hate the "you are allowed to return rule".  IF we weren't allowed to return I guarantee we would be 10x better shooters.  


Also I consider a roleplay shootout to be a shootout where everyone uses cover and tactics.  No one just bunny hops around with their combat shotgun or whatever gun they use

[Bianconeri]

I hate the "you are allowed to return rule".  IF we weren't allowed to return I guarantee we would be 10x better shooters.  


Also I consider a roleplay shootout to be a shootout where everyone uses cover and tactics.  No one just bunny hops around with their combat shotgun or whatever gun they use

I really dont see why that should increase shooting skills? shooting is shooting, if you shoot 10 times with returning or just once.

at your second point i do agree, all criminals just do is rush into you with lame combats/sawn offs and else drive by with smg which kills your car in a few seconds...
they should ban all lame guns(all shotguns) then we would get much better roleplay and shoot outs with just deagle and smg, or in bigger stuff ak47/m4/sniper.

[Mac_Cabrazi]

no they can keep the combat shotguns and all that.  Its just I don't like it when I'm in cover firing behind my car the criminal just hops over to me and tries to kill me.  Luckily when he does that its the biggest mistake he ever makes   .

Also yes the no return rule can increase your skills.  For example: If you cannot return the cops will be like "Damn I can't return now.  I gotta be more smart on how I fight suspects.  I shouldn't jump and rambo like an idiot I should use cover".  Police will be smarter in using tactics.  It won't increase your shooting skill but your knowledge of tactics will increase.

And mics and tec9s are retarted guns.  If a criminal uses them its so easy to kill them. 

[Husky]

no they can keep the combat shotguns and all that.  Its just I don't like it when I'm in cover firing behind my car the criminal just hops over to me and tries to kill me.  Luckily when he does that its the biggest mistake he ever makes   .

yeah thats annoying =P

[Justin_Hawk]

Thx to SRU : their tactics I learned to always take cover and act professional .

[Joseph_Allen]

no they can keep the combat shotguns and all that.  Its just I don't like it when I'm in cover firing behind my car the criminal just hops over to me and tries to kill me.  Luckily when he does that its the biggest mistake he ever makes   .

yeah thats annoying =P

Seconded. Especially when there's two of you and one of him. It's probably one of the most satisfying things to do.

[Oliver Daniels]

As for deathmatching and cophunting 80% of players have a reason for why killing the cop/civil
In the moment you put your sirens on and/or follow the suspect, he has right to shoot back.

Well, Battle kicked like 5 players at once because they engaged a cop that was following them. They were also threatened by Inkognito who told he'd permban those players if they kept shooting at cops that had shot at them.

[Oliver Daniels]

If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...

I think what he meant by that is that if a criminal stays behind cover and doesn't pull stupid shit, it's roleplaying a shootout. Not all roleplay is done by /me or /l