Results of suspect investigation

[Ben]

Hey all,

There's probably a topic about this floating around, but my dog ate all my paperwork 

I've seen many /cancelsuspects, with reasons such as 'Investigated - Invalid Crime'. Invalid crimes do not require an investigation, as it means it IS NOT a crime. What would be correct is something like 'Investigation - Not guilty of the crime'.

Invalid crime - Being suspected for something which is not technically a crime, thus does not, and should not, require an investigation. For example, /su 0 baking a cake.

Not guilty of crime - Investigated, and proven that they did not commit that crime. The difference is that the person should be investigated, as there is a possibility of them committing that crime.

I guess it's like the reckless - wreckless mistake. It will always happen, but I hope this topic reduces the amount of people making that mistake.
 
  oh, and don't forget to elaborate on /cancelsuspect usage. We must put a full reason on, such as 'Investigated - Not guilty of crime' instead of just 'investigated'.

Thanks for your time.

[Jack White]

Reckless is the proper way, not wreckless 

[Sushi]

'Wreckless' is just people spelling it wrong.

At times invalid crimes may need investigation to make sure that was what had happened at the situation. So after invesgation, I think it is perfectly valid to unsuspect for 'invalid crime' if it was.

[Watahell]

'Wreckless' is just people spelling it wrong.

At times invalid crimes may need investigation to make sure that was what had happened at the situation. So after invesgation, I think it is perfectly valid to unsuspect for 'invalid crime' if it was.

Precisely.

The main purpose of an investigation is to judge the validity of a crime.
'Not guilty' would be stating that the action happened, but the subject in question was not responsible for it. At least it's the way I understand it. I would rather say 'Invalid crime' than 'Crime didn't happen'.

[Ben]

Can we remove the reckless/wreckless convo please? I only put it as an example 

Invalid = Something which is not a crime in the State of Argonath. This means that people /su'ed for 'Saying Hi', or 'LOLPINEAPPLEDONUT' can be /cancelsuspect'ed without investigation. It isn't the same as not being guilty of a crime.

Not guilty - Being /su'ed for 'Evading' or 'Assault' or another crime which exists in Argonath, but then being found not guilty of that crime. There is a definite difference between the two.

It doesn't matter what you prefer to do. The term is incorrect. However, you have me confused, as you just confirmed what I said in the following quote:

The main purpose of an investigation is to judge the validity of a crime.
'Not guilty' would be stating that the action happened, but the subject in question was not responsible for it.

but the next quote from you is...

At least it's the way I understand it. I would rather say 'Invalid crime' than 'Crime didn't happen'.

You argued the same way as me in the other quote, then changed your mind?

[Ben]

At times invalid crimes may need investigation to make sure that was what had happened at the situation. So after invesgation, I think it is perfectly valid to unsuspect for 'invalid crime' if it was.

I see your point, and I agree.

The point I'm trying to make is that I have seen /cancelsuspect's for crimes which do exist, saying Invalid crime. I didn't mean to say that you cannot say 'Invalid Crime' after an investigation, but I probably phrased it wrong.
I meant when the crime is valid, but the citizen is not guilty of it.


To try and rephrase it...
For an Invalid Crime, an investigation is not strictly necessary, but can be useful.
For a Valid Crime, even if the suspect had not done the crime, it would require an investigation.

The end is still the same though:

Invalid: /cancelsuspext 0 Investigated - Invalid (or just 'Invalid')
Not guilty: /cancelsuspect 0 Investigated - Not guilty of crime (or just 'Not Guilty')

[Watahell]

How about:

Donutmang: /su 69 touching my pipi
TopKop: /crime 69
Crime of Pervert(69): suspected by officer Donutmang for touching my pipi
TopKop: What the flying crap...
Pervert(69) has surrendered. DO NOT KILL them, cuff and jail them.
*In the investigation room...
Donutmang: Yooo but he put his hand on my beautiful HPV, Pipi.
TopKop: /facepalm
Pervert(69) has been unsuspected by TopKop - Invalid Crime

Retarded example, but investigation was strictly necessary, since it was ambiguous. But the crime was invalid. The crime does exist in a way, but was deemed invalid. And trust me, such things happen.

[Ben]

How about:

Donutmang: /su 69 touching my pipi
TopKop: /crime 69
Crime of Pervert(69): suspected by officer Donutmang for touching my pipi
TopKop: What the flying crap...
Pervert(69) has surrendered. DO NOT KILL them, cuff and jail them.
*In the investigation room...
Donutmang: Yooo but he put his hand on my beautiful HPV, Pipi.
TopKop: /facepalm
Pervert(69) has been unsuspected by TopKop - Invalid Crime

Retarded example, but investigation was strictly necessary, since it was ambiguous. But the crime was invalid. The crime does exist in a way, but was deemed invalid. And trust me, such things happen.

  I won't even bother telling you to read the topic, as I've said it to people many times before, and they never listen.
Instead, I will quote it, and hope it answers what you put 

For an Invalid Crime, an investigation is not strictly necessary, but can be useful.
For a Valid Crime, even if the suspect had not done the crime, it would require an investigation.

[Watahell]

I won't even bother telling you to read the topic, as I've said it to people many times before, and they never listen.
Instead, I will quote it, and hope it answers what you put 

If you won't bother (and what you put didn't present a solution to me anyways) why would you bother with such a small thing? And furthermore, my colleagues and myself have never (or rarely) done such thing, as in, to unsuspect a non-guity-of-the-crime guy for "Invalid crime" since we usually put something like "innocent" among the lines.

But if something like this happens, it's because the investigation is a two-way process: it's either valid or invalid. However, due to the turn of events, the investigation turns into an interrogation where the officer realizes that the subject was actually innocent. But on his mind, there is two outcomes for the investigation he started: Valid or invalid. Hence, the used reason.

In my opinion, as long as you're putting the command into justice, it doesn't really matter how you type it since it's comprehensible anyways, fulfilling the purpose of the message sent.

[Ben]

I won't even bother telling you to read the topic, as I've said it to people many times before, and they never listen.
Instead, I will quote it, and hope it answers what you put 

If you won't bother (and what you put didn't present a solution to me anyways) why would you bother with such a small thing? And furthermore, my colleagues and myself have never (or rarely) done such thing, as in, to unsuspect a non-guity-of-the-crime guy for "Invalid crime" since we usually put something like "innocent" among the lines.

But if something like this happens, it's because the investigation is a two-way process: it's either valid or invalid. However, due to the turn of events, the investigation turns into an interrogation where the officer realizes that the subject was actually innocent. But on his mind, there is two outcomes for the investigation he started: Valid or invalid. Hence, the used reason.

In my opinion, as long as you're putting the command into justice, it doesn't really matter how you type it since it's comprehensible anyways, fulfilling the purpose of the message sent.

Well, I must have told people in the past about reading the topic many times, I don't wish to do so again.

I find it amusing when people make an argument just for the sake of having one. You're using arguments about individual opinions, mine are about fact. I don't care what you think about it, I care about the truth.

[Watahell]

Well, I must have told people in the past about reading the topic many times, I don't wish to do so again.

I find it amusing when people make an argument just for the sake of having one. You're using arguments about individual opinions, mine are about fact. I don't care what you think about it, I care about the truth.

Oh I see. Apologies for having an opinion that differs from the truth. I did try to show you the psychology behind the unsuspection problem... But I must have failed at some point.

A note: If you are going to post anything on a forum, expect some people to reply, and not always with the same gifted truth view that you have. And if you're posting only to hear the echo of the truth (as you named it), that's pretty pointless.

Thanks for your time.

[Ben]

Well, I must have told people in the past about reading the topic many times, I don't wish to do so again.

I find it amusing when people make an argument just for the sake of having one. You're using arguments about individual opinions, mine are about fact. I don't care what you think about it, I care about the truth.

Oh I see. Apologies for having an opinion that differs from the truth. I did try to show you the psychology behind the unsuspection problem... But I must have failed at some point.

A note: If you are going to post anything on a forum, expect some people to reply, and not always with the same gifted truth view that you have. And if you're posting only to hear the echo of the truth (as you named it), that's pretty pointless.

Thanks for your time.

An echo of the truth? I don't know how philosophical you are, but this quote should answer all of your queries.

"The fact that I can plant a seed and it becomes a flower, share a bit of knowledge and it becomes another's, smile at someone and receive a smile in return, are to me continual spiritual exercises." - Leo.F. Buscaglia

I don't think I need to explain that 

As for the truth:

- A dictionary definition of valid - "Containing premises from which the conclusion may logically be derived" - "may be derived", meaning it could be a crime in this case.
- A dictionary definition of invalid - "Not legally or factually valid" - From which the conclusion cannot logically be derived, in other words, the crime does not exist.
What is the point of knowing the truth if you are not going to share it? One of the reasons knowledge is kept from people is for power.
That is psychology.

Talking of philosophy and psychology, I am doing both of them in my A Levels 

Many thanks for your time 

  If you are wondering why I appear to contradict myself sometimes, it is because I like to give a balanced argument. This gives a basis for opinions to be made. On most of my long posts, my conclusion and opinion is given at the end.

[Watahell]

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I don't care what you think about it, I care about the truth.

"The fact that I can plant a seed and it becomes a flower, share a bit of knowledge and it becomes another's, smile at someone and receive a smile in return, are to me continual spiritual exercises." - Leo.F. Buscaglia

Oh well. This made me laugh a bit. :p


I had hopes you would take the other post I made in a different way and actually reflect about it, as it had a totally different meaning.

Then again, sorry for my inputs, won't post in this further. I'll think twice before talking back to the "truth" next time. 
Sushi pretty much said everything I had to say from the beginning.

[Ben]

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I don't care what you think about it, I care about the truth.

"The fact that I can plant a seed and it becomes a flower, share a bit of knowledge and it becomes another's, smile at someone and receive a smile in return, are to me continual spiritual exercises." - Leo.F. Buscaglia

Oh well. This made me laugh a bit. :p


I had hopes you would take the other post I made in a different way and actually reflect about it, as it had a totally different meaning.

Then again, sorry for my inputs, won't post in this further. I'll think twice before talking back to the "truth" next time. 
Sushi pretty much said everything I had to say from the beginning.

I meant that I posted this to help people -.-
 
not sarcastic at all! Good idea, you do that