Self Defence...

[Ronnel]

Yh, That is what iam saying. Basicly if a guy say, I was attacking him, kidnaping, robberying and many other forms, you can proced with the unsuspect request.

Perhaps you should re-read my comment.
Self defense is a reason to lower jail time, not a reason to unsuspect.

There are two ways to get unsuspected when claiming self-defense.
1. Admin acknowledged it is killing a DMer
2. RPing a trial in courts.

In all other cases, it should just warrant a low jail time. Why ? They still admitted to killing.

[FlameMan]

Yh, That is what iam saying. Basicly if a guy say, I was attacking him, kidnaping, robberying and many other forms, you can proced with the unsuspect request.

Perhaps you should re-read my comment.
Self defense is a reason to lower jail time, not a reason to unsuspect.

There are two ways to get unsuspected when claiming self-defense.
1. Admin acknowledged it is killing a DMer
2. RPing a trial in courts.

In all other cases, it should just warrant a low jail time. Why ? They still admitted to killing.

In normal law, the 3 points matter should be discussed.
1) If the threat was direct,
2) If the threat was serious,
3) If not taking the self-defence would lead to the crime.

If those 3 points are checked as "occured", then we can consider it as self defence.
Another important point, in regards to what Gandalf said is excess of the self-defense.
Without court its impossible to detect ingame, if the self defence was kept in boundries of it, or excessed.

[J. Prilo]

Yh, That is what iam saying. Basicly if a guy say, I was attacking him, kidnaping, robberying and many other forms, you can proced with the unsuspect request.

Perhaps you should re-read my comment.
Self defense is a reason to lower jail time, not a reason to unsuspect.

There are two ways to get unsuspected when claiming self-defense.
1. Admin acknowledged it is killing a DMer
2. RPing a trial in courts.

In all other cases, it should just warrant a low jail time. Why ? They still admitted to killing.

In normal law, the 3 points matter should be discussed.
1) If the threat was direct,
2) If the threat was serious,
3) If not taking the self-defence would lead to the crime.

If those 3 points are checked as "occured", then we can consider it as self defence.
Another important point, in regards to what Gandalf said is excess of the self-defense.
Without court its impossible to detect ingame, if the self defence was kept in boundries of it, or excessed.

With normal law I guess you mean real life law?

[FlameMan]

yeah

[Ronnel]

Yh, That is what iam saying. Basicly if a guy say, I was attacking him, kidnaping, robberying and many other forms, you can proced with the unsuspect request.

Perhaps you should re-read my comment.
Self defense is a reason to lower jail time, not a reason to unsuspect.

There are two ways to get unsuspected when claiming self-defense.
1. Admin acknowledged it is killing a DMer
2. RPing a trial in courts.

In all other cases, it should just warrant a low jail time. Why ? They still admitted to killing.

In normal law, the 3 points matter should be discussed.
1) If the threat was direct,
2) If the threat was serious,
3) If not taking the self-defence would lead to the crime.

If those 3 points are checked as "occured", then we can consider it as self defence.
Another important point, in regards to what Gandalf said is excess of the self-defense.
Without court its impossible to detect ingame, if the self defence was kept in boundries of it, or excessed.

In normal law the claim of self-defense would be to remove charges of murder.
The prosecutor would in a clear case lower the charges to manslaughter, which could still lead to jail time unles it was proven without a doubt that the attacker would have killed the attacked. Just being robbed is not a reason to kill an attacker if you have options to escape or let the attacker run away.
The punishment for manslaughter with circumstances would be a low jail time, not going out of jail without any criminal record.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Exactly. There is a difference between self-defense and defending your property.

[FlameMan]

In normal law the claim of self-defense would be to remove charges of murder.
The prosecutor would in a clear case lower the charges to manslaughter, which could still lead to jail time unles it was proven without a doubt that the attacker would have killed the attacked. Just being robbed is not a reason to kill an attacker if you have options to escape or let the attacker run away.
The punishment for manslaughter with circumstances would be a low jail time, not going out of jail without any criminal record.

Never disagreed, even I fully agree
The point of my post, was to show, that you can't exactly detect ingame if it was self-defence in boundries, or not.
If it was excessed - then its still a crime. If, for example, suspect's crime is shooting, or fist assault, but he did not kill anyone, and then he claims self defence.. That MIGHT be a good reason to cancelsuspect the crime. In my opinion.

[Ronnel]

In normal law the claim of self-defense would be to remove charges of murder.
The prosecutor would in a clear case lower the charges to manslaughter, which could still lead to jail time unles it was proven without a doubt that the attacker would have killed the attacked. Just being robbed is not a reason to kill an attacker if you have options to escape or let the attacker run away.
The punishment for manslaughter with circumstances would be a low jail time, not going out of jail without any criminal record.

Never disagreed, even I fully agree
The point of my post, was to show, that you can't exactly detect ingame if it was self-defence in boundries, or not.
If it was excessed - then its still a crime. If, for example, suspect's crime is shooting, or fist assault, but he did not kill anyone, and then he claims self defence.. That MIGHT be a good reason to cancelsuspect the crime. In my opinion.

If he is suspected for such reason there is a very good chance he attacked an officer. In which case self-defense makes zero sense.

[FlameMan]

In normal law the claim of self-defense would be to remove charges of murder.
The prosecutor would in a clear case lower the charges to manslaughter, which could still lead to jail time unles it was proven without a doubt that the attacker would have killed the attacked. Just being robbed is not a reason to kill an attacker if you have options to escape or let the attacker run away.
The punishment for manslaughter with circumstances would be a low jail time, not going out of jail without any criminal record.

Never disagreed, even I fully agree
The point of my post, was to show, that you can't exactly detect ingame if it was self-defence in boundries, or not.
If it was excessed - then its still a crime. If, for example, suspect's crime is shooting, or fist assault, but he did not kill anyone, and then he claims self defence.. That MIGHT be a good reason to cancelsuspect the crime. In my opinion.

If he is suspected for such reason there is a very good chance he attacked an officer. In which case self-defense makes zero sense.

Assault / Shooting crime doesn't mean itself - that he opened fire on officer. I personally suspect more often with such crimes, when I see civilian shooting another civilian, who is running away

[saberman]

The main point of the topic was to clear the confusion between officers of self-defense that most of the officers would unsuspect. This topic would clear that confusion and avoid such actions. The conclusions are that if it was self-defense you can change time low depending on what the situation was. Like 15-80 seconds or so. If the topic still has something to discuss then it may continue, if not. I request topic to be locked.

[ThomasHumphreys]

I think it's the Cops fault that people resort to Defending themselves than calling 911.

I was attacked recently at my House near the LVPD HQ. I fought off two Men who tried to steal my Cheetah. They fled the scene when they lost too much health from my fists. Once they'd gone, I called 911 and gave them the Two Men and their Car. They were never caught.

Later in the Week, I was attacked again for the same reason because my Cheetah was locked. I fought him off too with my fists and he tried to flee aswell. I knew the Cops wouldn't come, and I didn't want him getting away. I drew my Gun and stood on my Cheetah and told him to Stop, but he rammed my Cheetah with me on it, so I shot and killed him.

I stayed in my House until the heat died down, because I knew surrendering and an investigation didn't look good as I had used a Gun in my Defence.

Purhaps some Public Service Announcements could help the community in what to do during an Attack.

[saberman]

Attacking anyone is never to be unsuspected. Only time should be decreased. This should be spread and most of the SAPD officers don't have a clear knowledge of this.