Have a suggestion for SAPD?

[Mike Collin]

Do you have anything you would like to see done within SAPD, this can almost be anything that doesn't require and script support, or maybe you have a suggestion on how to improve SAPD as a whole?

Don't be shy you won't be judged, just leave a little post on what you think would improve SAPD.

[Cyril]

Yes, but it will be denied : Implement jurisdiction.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Chiefs have some plans which will be presented during the ceremony, don't stress too much and await till the time comes during the ceremony. 

Yes, but it will be denied : Implement jurisdiction.

What do you mean by that?

[Cyril]

Yes, but it will be denied : Implement jurisdiction.

What do you mean by that?

I mean, when you apply for LSPD/SFPD/LVPD, well you stay in your jurisdiction. Most of the time when we chase a suspect from LS to LV/SF and we requiere the assistance of SF or LV, there is no one in this cities or when they respond, they do it from LS.. so basicly it's quite useless.

[[Rstar]Paul]

The protocol of jurisdiction still exist.. So basically what you've stated there is a existing protocol.

[Cyril]

It should be enforced then.

[Huntsman]

Make BCSD Official pls 

[Plam Knight]

It should be enforced then.

I as a captain of LVPD will gladly increase the enforcment from LVPD side. Of course in order to do that, I need a picture whenever it happens that you pursuit a suspect towards our jursidiction or in our jurisdiction, just /area all the online LVPD officer when you call that backup on the radio and their response.

[Oliver Daniels]

Instead of implementing and enforcing juristictions, why not remove the department system altogether? When I joined the SAPD there were no departments so there were way more regular officers than command staff members, ensuring that only the best of the best were made sergeants+.

The departments right now serve no actual purpose other than encouraging petty rivalry between departments and handing out command staff badges to anyone who walks in.


P.S. Plam, could you please change your font? Black italic text is a serious strain on my eyes, even when highlighted and it's seriously sabotaging my already sub-par vision.

[Cyril]

I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.

[Huntsman]

I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.

Yes, Departament System is indeed good.

BUT!

Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism

[Sushi]

I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.

Yes, Departament System is indeed good.

BUT!

Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism

I am tired so forgive my aggressive in this upcoming post.

I can easily bloody deny your opinion of favourtism. A good officer is a good officer regardless and if they do a notably good job, they shouldn't be rewarded because they are buddies with the captain or lieutenant? As for those not getting awards that are apparently getting 'F.Us' from their departments leaders. What the actual balls do you know about having to decide unbiasly what the 30 officers in your department deserves? What kind of things do we have to go through to be able to see everyone, to know everyone, to be able to even make a proper opinion on them. Also, again with the 'friendship' etc bias that apparently is a bloody fact. I will kick a sergeants arse down to officer if he screws up so hard, regardless of whether his my friend or not. As well as any other person, depending on what they do. So don't go parading around saying that it is a fact. You're free to think it, but don't pin things on a general group when you know absolutely nothing about what we have to do.

Also I'm sorry, I am fairly sure there is already a suggestions, questions page made by Pancher or someone a long time ago... not to mention, saying 'Make us official!' means absolutely nuggets here. There are no properly individualist sub-divisions in the SAPD, with the exception of SWAT. Why do we need another group to pop up, when ALL of this can be done from a department with the same officers? I mean why implement even more segregation and confusion among officers with another sub-division, that could easily convolute it's own authority amongst others. Or, like I mentioned. They can join a department and be 'official' SAPD Officers whilst still being exactly what they are? Why do you need a badge of 'officiality'?

As for the jurisdictions. I was at first an SAPD officer and I patrolled Los Santos, simply because it was the place I felt most comfortable at on the job. When the departments came in, I joined SFPD because LSPD was full and I proceeded to patrol SFPD, even when there was no one there. Why? Because I was SFPD. I'm not saying that departments should 100% be in their areas only, but that should be their priorities. 'Got a suspect driving a ice-cream truck into SF, SFPD do you respond?' - Peels out of a high speed chase with a buffalo being chased by 50 cops in LS and goes to SF. Why? Because SF is their responsibility, conversely with any other department. Got action in LS, LSPD get on your horses and get there NOW. My officers bumming around for no reason in the other cities? Then they should be off duty, or I'll kick them off if they won't do it themselves. But that's starting to go onto a different topic altogether.

[Huntsman]

I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.

Yes, Departament System is indeed good.

BUT!

Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism

I am tired so forgive my aggressive in this upcoming post.

I can easily bloody deny your opinion of favourtism. A good officer is a good officer regardless and if they do a notably good job, they shouldn't be rewarded because they are buddies with the captain or lieutenant? As for those not getting awards that are apparently getting 'F.Us' from their departments leaders. What the actual balls do you know about having to decide unbiasly what the 30 officers in your department deserves? What kind of things do we have to go through to be able to see everyone, to know everyone, to be able to even make a proper opinion on them. Also, again with the 'friendship' etc bias that apparently is a bloody fact. I will kick a sergeants arse down to officer if he screws up so hard, regardless of whether his my friend or not. As well as any other person, depending on what they do. So don't go parading around saying that it is a fact. You're free to think it, but don't pin things on a general group when you know absolutely nothing about what we have to do.

Also I'm sorry, I am fairly sure there is already a suggestions, questions page made by Pancher or someone a long time ago... not to mention, saying 'Make us official!' means absolutely nuggets here. There are no properly individualist sub-divisions in the SAPD, with the exception of SWAT. Why do we need another group to pop up, when ALL of this can be done from a department with the same officers? I mean why implement even more segregation and confusion among officers with another sub-division, that could easily convolute it's own authority amongst others. Or, like I mentioned. They can join a department and be 'official' SAPD Officers whilst still being exactly what they are? Why do you need a badge of 'officiality'?

As for the jurisdictions. I was at first an SAPD officer and I patrolled Los Santos, simply because it was the place I felt most comfortable at on the job. When the departments came in, I joined SFPD because LSPD was full and I proceeded to patrol SFPD, even when there was no one there. Why? Because I was SFPD. I'm not saying that departments should 100% be in their areas only, but that should be their priorities. 'Got a suspect driving a ice-cream truck into SF, SFPD do you respond?' - Peels out of a high speed chase with a buffalo being chased by 50 cops in LS and goes to SF. Why? Because SF is their responsibility, conversely with any other department. Got action in LS, LSPD get on your horses and get there NOW. My officers bumming around for no reason in the other cities? Then they should be off duty, or I'll kick them off if they won't do it themselves. But that's starting to go onto a different topic altogether.

"Make us official" was simply a troll post and should stay that way

And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.

[Mike Collin]

This isn't a troll topic, so keep that in mind.

[Oliver Daniels]

And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.

Look, if you're going to make a post claiming that you know something, it's common courtesy to elaborate. Right now it just seems like you're bragging about something that doesn't warrant bragging.

[Joseph_Allen]

Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.

It's obvious that in a Department, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions

while the Officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.

I think that Departament System should be revised and the structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favoritism.

No matter what you do, Favoritism will occur in any institution (just like Corruption). The question is whether or not it'll be rampant or not.

Also, just because an Officer is cordial (or as you say, "friends") with a member of Cmd. Staff doesn't mean that the awards will start pouring like rain. Maybe the Officer who deserves it isn't in a position to make his work visible to the Higher-Ups? (Timezone differences probably)

[[Rstar]Paul]

I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.

Yes, Departament System is indeed good.

BUT!

Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism

False and incorrect statement you have put there. You realize how much time the SAPD CMD overview and spend each day and each second to gain a better knowledge of other officers? You just have to put the effort in in order to show yourself.

"Make us official" was simply a troll post and should stay that way

And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.

Please do tell me what knowledge you have within the SAPD CMD, because you just appointed/launched a accusation of the SAPD CMD awarding only 'friends'.


Also, for proposing a group to be offical within the ARPD..
Take a look at this topic and this topic.


Regards,
Deputy Chief Paul Caltson
SAPD CMD HQ

[Chief J. Schappell]

Why not split the Departments completely? No more SAPD...just LSPD, LVPD, DPD, and SFPD, just like how we have LCPD, LCPD, VCPD, VCPD, SAPD, and SAPD now. It would allow the Chiefs to focus on less as a whole, enabling them to be less overwhelmed and more successful at focusing on each Departments' issues. Given SAPD's past history in it's various forms, rivalry shouldn't be an issue either, as each Department would likely be willing to cooperate with one another given the good relations they currently have as a conjoined group. The smaller sizes would also mean less problems since each Department would have more ability to shift it's focuses on just it's juristiction. You also wouldn't have to worry about closing Departments since each one would be responsible for it's own stuff.

[Huntsman]

I'm against removing departement. I think its better that each departement is in charge of a city.

Yes, Departament System is indeed good.

BUT!

Departament System encourages favourism, you cannot deny this fact whatever argument you will give.
It's obvious that in Departament, person goes friends with a Captain, and then in every ceremony he constantly gets medals and promotions while officer that has actually been working hard and active, he receives a big F.U from command to his face.
I think that Departament System should be revisioned and structure changed a bit, also it should be under strict supervisory of favourism

False and incorrect statement you have put there. You realize how much time the SAPD CMD overview and spend each day and each second to gain a better knowledge of other officers? You just have to put the effort in in order to show yourself.

"Make us official" was simply a troll post and should stay that way

And dont you say i dont know about anything, i do , Sushi, i do, you just dont know that i do.

Please do tell me what knowledge you have within the SAPD CMD, because you just appointed/launched a accusation of the SAPD CMD awarding only 'friends'.


Also, for proposing a group to be offical within the ARPD..
Take a look at this topic and this topic.


Regards,
Deputy Chief Paul Caltson
SAPD CMD HQ

Well, this is Argonath, and everyone is fair to give the opinions. Even tho im not very familiar with the actual situation im stating a fact that i have heard around from many SAPD Officers out there and read around the forums.
And yes, maybe indeed i made an unwaranted statement about the favourism.
As i said i have positive points about departaments and negative. I think it was kinda fun when nobody gave a damn where they are patrolling or anything like that, but i think that departaments make officers more organised , while without a departament, people sometimes forget to be organised and punctual for certain situations.

[Ben]

Well, actually...in many ways Max is right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group–out-group_bias

^ Just look at the references...I don't like using Wikipedia on full face value.
It's human nature to show favouritism for people in the "in-group", and it is naive to think that it does not happen. Psychological studies (as shown above) offer huge amounts of evidence for this, in both field experiments, natural experiments and lab experiments.

Honestly, I have spoken to SAPD Officers in the past who are bloody good at what they do, but don't get recognised for it. I'm not saying it happens every time, all the time, but human nature dictates that we do show favouritism, and that cannot be ignored.

It seems like I'm just siding with Max, but I've come up with those conclusions from reading the evidence shown to me