SAPD today - a rant

[Pepper]

Boy do I miss the old days. I die a little inside every time someone says ''SUxx at xxxxxx". Proud to say 95% of all my cop duty is traffic violations.

[Plam Knight]

Again if you don't belive SAPD CMD are capable to be example, you report straight to the chief and I am fully certain he will investigate it.

Report a CMD staff, for "lack of RP skill" ?

- 1st : If someone do this, he will get a "You have 24 hours to show evidences, or get punishment for spreading false rumors on CMD staff"
- 2nd : How do you want to proove it. You can't.
- 3rd : It's.. almost... a stupid report... Or in my opinion at least.

Anyway. I don't think it's the origin of the "problem".
A manhunt (of CMD staff) won't resolve this. It's a matter of everyone's daily actions.

I'd like to say also :

But in order to share a vision, you must have attempted to fix this somehow before it, I see no attempts of it, which makes this topic only words but no actions.

Before solving a situation, you must point it out.

No they want to report certain part of the CMD for "Failing to provide proper example to our officers", which for a command stuff is quite a offense.

I know very little about the current method of joining the SAPD, trainingwise etc.

But seeing the standard, and attitude of some officers really highlights to me that it cannot be difficult at all.

I did 9 sessions, current Cadets do fewer (if I'm correct), I never did anything practical, which made the exam very easy, so if it's the same, that's not very good.

Cadets/Applicants should be tested on their practical knowledge and attitude, not just answering a few questions.

Currently the academy is being updated, give us sometime to launch it fully and then please do give us your observations.

@ Plam:

I seem to have got into this rut...people think I am insulting them, so I like to confirm I am not.
If you look at my shirt reports/operations, both in the current ACS and in the old DPD boards/topics, you'll see that I and others have done what we can. That is, adopting ARPD Officers, making trainings, making organised patrols, and more.
However (and this might go quite badly) we cannot adopt Command members. We look up to them, and so they must act as the best of us all the time when on duty. Everything we do...we should be seeing from them, day in, day out.

We cannot change SAPD Command in the way we help ARPD Officers and each other...we can't tell you what to do, and we live in fear of getting punished if we turn round and say SAPD Command is wrong.

I have no objections with what most of us Officers do on the field...my post is mainly based at the attitude of Command members when an Officer does do something wrong. As an example (not to be taken as something which has happened!):

- Scenario 1 - Captain Plam Knight sees Jerome driving a Buffalo around. He PM's him with "Why are you in a buffalo?". Jerome responds, "I am patrolling sir." Plam says "Well, you can't. Get out the Buffalo, now". Jerome says "I don't understand, why?". Plam replies with "Do I need to give you a reason? I'm Command.". Jerome says "Well...it would be nice to have a reason.". Plam says "Go read what the forum says". Jerome says "Why can't you tell me? You know, and I don't. Tell me.". Plam responds with a 6hour copban for Jerome, reason: Shitting and ignoring Command.

- Scenario 2 - Captain Plam Knight sees Jerome driving a Buffalo around. He PM's him with "Why are you in a buffalo?". Jerome responds "I am patrolling sir". Plam says "Well, under the new regulations you can only use Buffalos during specific circumstances, such as a heavily armed suspect fleeing on an NRG". Jerome responds with "Alright sir, I'll return the Buffalo and grab a PD car".

In either situation, no other non-Command member would like to intervene, as Plam is a Captain. In Scenario 2, a constructive response was taken, and the situation was resolved. Scenario 1 ended badly, as the negative approach was taken.

Again, please take this as general constructive criticism. Names given above were not involved in such a scenario (I hope), and the scenario was invented by myself as an example. Now, I hope you understand what I mean.
Reiterating the point that non-Command members cannot do much about this...

Again this is somewhat of a wrong way to perform your command work, but there is another case there as well Ben, when the command staff is being quite kind, understanding and yet the officer practically flames him in the face, because he thinks he is the one and only.

Boy do I miss the old days. I die a little inside every time someone says ''SUxx at xxxxxx". Proud to say 95% of all my cop duty is traffic violations.

We all miss some parts of the old days, but consider that its not just SAPD changing, its the whole server changing and the best thing we can do is adapt and progress. We will never be able to stay on the same level at any point of it.

By the way that will be my last post for tonight and I will gladly answer more questions tomorow.

[Ben]

By the way that will be my last post for tonight and I will gladly answer more questions tomorow.

Alright, I'll pose my point so people can think about it anyway.

@the reply aimed at me:
My point entirely. Command should always aim to be acting like in the second scenario.

To your point about when the officer flames "because he thinks he is the one and only and he is the most special.":
- There should me a more in-depth investigation. In this case, I would still not suggest a straight-off copban. Try and get the officer to calm down, and ask why he/she is flaming in the way they are. People often do not think straight when they are upset...or indeed think they are going to be fired/copbanned anyway. In this case, I'd calm the officer down, and avoid the worst case scenario...because if it escalates, that person may end up with a ban to their name. Not the command members fault, but if it can be avoided, it should be...even if you are in the right as a command member. The thing taught in the academy about driving. "If you crash, then you failed to do all you could to stop it happening". If you consider this metaphorically, the point can be translated into a situation like you have given.
As Command, you're expected to be cool-headed. "Crisis"s are not too difficult to sort out of approached correctly. Much more can be learnt from getting the officer to calm down, then speaking to them as a person, rather than just a superior.

A little off-topic, but as Anton Chekhov said "Any idiot can handle a crisis, it's this day to day living which wears you out". I hope the post has given something for people to dwell on.

[Oliver Daniels]

Oliver I have to admit that some of these points are true, yet you put it in a fully wrong way, instead of making a proper full with evidence and ect... statement, sending it to Pancher as you know he is fully experienced and capable to deal with it, you come here making well not whining, but close to it topic. If you see something wrong then contact straight the chief of police, after all he is the most experienced member of SAPD and the one capable to deal with this.

The point isn't to send a letter of complaint to the head of the SAPD, but to make the voices of multiple officer heard. It's nothing to be "dealt with", really, since as Pancher pointed out, being a bad roleplayer is not against the rules.
My post was meant to show my opinion about a popular SAPD conduct these days: A couple of officers roll onto the screen with combat shotguns, blast the suspect to smithereens and take off as quickly as they arrived.

what do you do to fix it, you know very good that SAPD CMD is for guidance, what you do on the field comes from within you.

It isn't really helping when SAPD command staff members are rolling around in deathsquads as well and promoting people who do the same.
I've preached about my views on most of my patrols and haven't really received any complaints and I strongly urge anyone looking to enlighten others to be a good example. Try not to get into meaningless fights and instead use non-offensive language when you need to express your concern.


On the topic of SAPD applicants:

Making the entrance exam as hard as possible isn't really an answer, seeing as we got a lot of good officers back in the day despire the exam being piss-easy. The thing with applicants is that they're usually the ones with the most zeal, with the most ambition since they're striving to become accepted as proper officers and to be seen as such by their peers. As soon as they get their officer badge, the zeal dies down by quite a bit. However, making them wait for months upon months will simply make it seem like they're not wanted and like they're being purposely ignored.

[Jonny O'Sullivan]

I know very little about the current method of joining the SAPD, trainingwise etc.

But seeing the standard, and attitude of some officers really highlights to me that it cannot be difficult at all.

I did 9 sessions, current Cadets do fewer (if I'm correct), I never did anything practical, which made the exam very easy, so if it's the same, that's not very good.

Cadets/Applicants should be tested on their practical knowledge and attitude, not just answering a few questions.

To be honest the Academy is nothing special and only has a little affect on cadets. If you look back in the days of when I first joined SAPD in 2008 we didn't have to take 9 sessions or whatever. All we had to do was give the meanings of a few codes and drive from location to location... That was all. With that, the quality of Officers back then was 100 times better than what they are now with this academy system.

Therefore, I feel that the Academy has little influence on the quality of officers today and the thing that influences Cadets the MOST is how SAPD Officers and above act in game. This theory has been proven by what I mentioned above.

Currently the academy is being updated, give us sometime to launch it fully and then please do give us your observations.

In my opinion its not the Academy that needs an update it the actual members of SAPD themselves.

As Oliver said in the first post all people are focused on now is killing suspects. They honestly don't give a shit about roleplaying, all they do it drive around in their cute fast cars typing /area on all the suspects them shooting them with whatever they can in order to kill them as quick as possible.

From the start of SAPD to around early 2010 there was no need for all these fast cars and heavy weaponry, all we had was regular SAPD equipment and team work.

"Need back up on suspect in a Buffalo"..."No problem, we'll set up a road block nearby"

That's how it use to be.

SWAT did what it was meant to do. Special situations in which heavy backup was needed, be it barricaded suspects, kidnappings, etc.. They did not run around after suspects in pretty blue cars leaning out of the windows with M4s.

So in conclusion to all of this, I think everyone, including command staff, need to fix their attitude towards police work and focus on improving their own situation and the people around them instead of focussing on killing suspects without including any roleplay what so ever and saying "f**k it, everyone else is doing this so why can't I?".

[Chief J. Schappell]

Very well said in your first post Oliver. I remember our SATP days as well, and I must admit that it served as a great example of what SAPD once was in it's prime back then. Even being able to stop other cops heavily combated the issue with speeding civilians and officers for quite some time.

@Pancher: I must admit myself, I highly appreciate you being open to the constructive criticism so long as no flaming/****-talking is involved. It's a wonderful sign for SAPD's future when it's leadership is willing to hear from it's users in such a way that they feel they can be honest with their feelings over the organization. You have my respect for that.

[Jcstodds]

Lead by example.

[[Rstar]Vince]

Lead by example.

If we want to go back in the day, we can go back in the day.

Back in the day those in command lead by example. When I applied to join the SAPD it was honor to patrol with those in dark blue, and even more so a captain or above. Back then Luca was Chief at the time, with other high ranks being Hank (who you all know), Decey, Nicholas Angel, etc. who were all the time ingame patrolling with regular officers and leading situations...leading by example. It made you want to become apart of the SAPD; it portrayed an example that one would not want to join SAPD and get the dark blue name to be better than others, but to be on the same level as those who already had it.

You seen command staff who were active ingame, acted professional, and had motivation to lead its members. It is still to this day lead by example, but the example being inactive, unprofessional "command" staff who fight among themselves and lead in a BAD manner.. so when new cops see command staff who do nothing, and taught by the "academy" which seems to just want to get to its next applicant it is hard to lead by an example, a good example.

I think a major aspect of it trickling down to the officers comes down to the fact of how you became apart of SAPD back then. After you were accepted as a Cadet you studied, and then had to take training from a Captain (who were in charge of testing cadets). This allowed for more communication between the SAPD as a whole, and allowed for those higher up to lead by example.. example being showing cadets who the command staff is, while simply having a closer-knit relationship between members and command.


I hate to be the one criticizing, and never thought I would be. I would love to help, if only I had that motivation which I feel is necessary to make any sort of impact at all.

[Joseph_Allen]

If we want to go back in the day, we can go back in the day.

This is easier said than done because:

There aren't a lot of people around anymore who can recall what the SAPD was like a couple of years ago, and most of those who do have either stopped caring or switched sides.

To be honest, I'm getting a bit tired of the whole "good old days" talk. Maybe it's because I have something against being compared to my predecessors or maybe it's because I'm one of the many who weren't there during the SAPD's "golden years". We get it; We weren't there when you guys were and we never got to experience what you guys have gone through.

One thing I can think of is, indeed, to bring back the good old days. Not only that, however, but to build upon it in order to create something better. Maybe Oliver and the other veterans could share their wisdom on the rest of us and combine it with the good aspects of today's SAPD? (As was stated in past posts, attempts have already been made but not widely acknowledged.)

My post was meant to show my opinion about a popular SAPD conduct these days: A couple of Officers roll onto the screen with Combat shotguns, blast the suspect to smithereens and take off as quickly as they arrived.

I must admit that I'm guilty of this from time-to-time, only replace the Combats with D Eagles and SMGs. Mostly it's suspects in NRGs and other fast cars, heavily armed at times. It's really surprising how many people would rather get into a shootout than be pulled over for something as simple as speeding or driving recklessly. The times I do pull over people and they comply (bless their souls), I just give 'em a warning and watch them go on their merry way.

I hate to be the one criticizing, and never thought I would be. I would love to help, if only I had that motivation which I feel is necessary to make any sort of impact at all.

The first step to curing a disease is diagnosis and medicine, no matter how bitter it is, will cure what ails you if applied properly.

[[Rstar]Paul]

A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.

I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.

Oh the irony where you come with these words.. Seriously, look at yourself before you talk.
And don't tell me "freedom speech" and such, because you are going off the limits.


I have personnaly implemented a Duty Violation section for the SAPD CMD to record violation files.
The violation records will consist the following;

Speeding when not reacting to a crime.
Reckless driving.
Driving on pavements (sidewalks).
Driving on wrong side of road without due cause.
Abuse of police siren when not required.
Obstructing traffic without cause.
Shooting standing still suspect
Driving a non marked vehicle
Exceeding weapon usage
Disgusting behaviour
... and more.

If you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.


Now, I'm working in some particular areas in the SAPD in order to improve it in a positive way together with Pancher and the command staff. We have appropriately around 90+ members within the SAPD which is a pretty high rate.

Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made. I have also restricted the pursuit vehicles use in order to cease the arguments made in the ARPD.


The only thing non of you have done is, contact me or Pancher of a SAPD CMD member doing something wrong. But the easy way most people take it is making a topic which causes a argument. You are free to suggest and propose, but do not point out something which you do not know is true or false.
We are doing our best in order to fully stable the department in a good shape, yet i must admit there are a few particular areas in the SAPD which still have some fault. Which is why I'm giving my time in solving some stuff up step by step.

Words can be described, even with arguments. But the actions/implement-ions  done? Way harder with a department of 90 members+/-
I have no problems in suggestions and opinions, I am happy to read them and give my time in order to process them to make a better view for yourself which i give my effort. But don't forget, i am a full time working Deputy Chief which means i may not respond at times where i am working in something which is related in developing the SAPD.

[Chief J. Schappell]

One thing I can think of is, indeed, to bring back the good old days. Not only that, however, but to build upon it in order to create something better. Maybe Oliver and the other veterans could share their wisdom on the rest of us and combine it with the good aspects of today's SAPD? (As was stated in past posts, attempts have already been made but not widely acknowledged.)

The problem is to get back to that point would take a server-wide, if not community-wide, change in attitude and how things are done to get back there. A lot has changed in Argo over the last couple years, people included.

[Oliver Daniels]

f you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.

I can't help but take this statement with a grain of salt, as I've witnessed a "Roleplay" discussion with high-ranks - In the chief's office in LSPD, with the one investigating paying little to no attention to you and instead talking about it with his buddies on TS/cbradio.

Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made.

I got my badge after three days and my final exam consisted of driving captain Flameman from point A to point B, saying what 10-4 means and shooting some posts near Fort Carson. Since I was seen to be doing a good job as a freecop, I was brought into the force extremely quickly and ended up doing a lot of work as soon as I received my badge.
The academy is supposed to weed out the sloths and train the unprepared, but what the academy has become is 'Wait 5 days to do a session, then wait 2 days to do another one'. If someone's ready to become an officer and is putting in excellent work, he shouldn't be forced to sit on his ass for days just so he can do a session an infant could do.

The only thing non of you have done is, contact me or Pancher of a SAPD CMD member doing something wrong. But the easy way most people take it is making a topic which causes a argument. You are free to suggest and propose, but do not point out something which you do not know is true or false.

There seems to be this notion of 'go to the chief when you don't like something' going around - any fool knows that to change a country, you have to rouse the masses, with it creating pressure on the government.

[[Rstar]Paul]

One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.

'Old days' ..........

Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.

[SeanC]

Time changes, sure, the old days might be great but nothing last forever and it surely didn't.
The academy, command staff, departments were different back then, so it is now.

Even if we go back to the old days, honestly, there isn't many old players around so it doesn't matter and maybe there is some but activity? nah.
Things changed inside SAPD, trying to move back to what it was would be hard and requires a lot of work and not all of us knows how it works.

I have to agree with what Paul stated above. I enjoy the way SAPD is right now, I wouldn't mind changes in the future to a new system but going back to the old system are just repeating the same thing.

[Chief J. Schappell]

One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.

'Old days' ..........

Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.

It's not so much what we RP that is seen as the old days as it is how we RP'ed it, in a sense. I know for some who weren't around at the time it doesn't seem to make much sense, but even with Argo not being as advanced as it was at that time, things were still pretty amazing in comparison. It's not really anyone's fault...things just changed over time, especially with the loss of some great former players who had unique ideas that made the old days seem so much alive and well. We can bring that back fairly easily, but right now the community is lacking unity in how to do that...and in some cases, there are users that don't have a clue what it is and just don't care enough to even try it out. I know everyone isn't this way, but there are a few who are, and it makes it that much more difficult.

[[Rstar]Paul]

One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.

'Old days' ..........

Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.

It's not so much what we RP that is seen as the old days as it is how we RP'ed it, in a sense. I know for some who weren't around at the time it doesn't seem to make much sense, but even with Argo not being as advanced as it was at that time, things were still pretty amazing in comparison. It's not really anyone's fault...things just changed over time, especially with the loss of some great former players who had unique ideas that made the old days seem so much alive and well. We can bring that back fairly easily, but right now the community is lacking unity in how to do that...and in some cases, there are users that don't have a clue what it is and just don't care enough to even try it out. I know everyone isn't this way, but there are a few who are, and it makes it that much more difficult.

Roleplay is being produced and is being worked on by the SAPD Command staff. However, i do not understand any other requests from the 'olden days' whilst we bring other techniques so others enjoy them. We do not want the SAPD to be fully strict, but fun. I can already see those who expect SAPD to be fully professional and strict such as real life, which is why such ideas are denied...

If anyone thinks a SAPD is failing to RP something properly, brief them and guide them, no matter who you are. Don't expect SAPD members to be fully acknowledged just because they passed the SAPD Academy, no one is perfect.....

[Huntsman]

A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.

I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.

Oh the irony where you come with these words.. Seriously, look at yourself before you talk.
And don't tell me "freedom speech" and such, because you are going off the limits.


I have personnaly implemented a Duty Violation section for the SAPD CMD to record violation files.
The violation records will consist the following;

Speeding when not reacting to a crime.
Reckless driving.
Driving on pavements (sidewalks).
Driving on wrong side of road without due cause.
Abuse of police siren when not required.
Obstructing traffic without cause.
Shooting standing still suspect
Driving a non marked vehicle
Exceeding weapon usage
Disgusting behaviour
... and more.

If you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.


Now, I'm working in some particular areas in the SAPD in order to improve it in a positive way together with Pancher and the command staff. We have appropriately around 90+ members within the SAPD which is a pretty high rate.

Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made. I have also restricted the pursuit vehicles use in order to cease the arguments made in the ARPD.


The only thing non of you have done is, contact me or Pancher of a SAPD CMD member doing something wrong. But the easy way most people take it is making a topic which causes a argument. You are free to suggest and propose, but do not point out something which you do not know is true or false.
We are doing our best in order to fully stable the department in a good shape, yet i must admit there are a few particular areas in the SAPD which still have some fault. Which is why I'm giving my time in solving some stuff up step by step.

Words can be described, even with arguments. But the actions/implement-ions  done? Way harder with a department of 90 members+/-
I have no problems in suggestions and opinions, I am happy to read them and give my time in order to process them to make a better view for yourself which i give my effort. But don't forget, i am a full time working Deputy Chief which means i may not respond at times where i am working in something which is related in developing the SAPD.

The example i given was not directed to anyone Paul, it was simply an non existing example to proove how things go these days.
And that i do not know nothing is a total bs. I once had a very close friend from SAPD CMD staff, which name i will not specify, and as he said "If you ever get accepted into SAPD, go and patrol with some high ranks and you'll get promotions like crazy" . And it was almost true, sadly i never aimed to patrol with high ranks.

[Fred]

Respect, words of pure gold. Couldn't agree with you more..

[Jcstodds]

One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.

'Old days' ..........

Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.

  Unfortunately Paul there is a kind of veteran syndrome where those who play for a long time grow up, become a little more mature and a little tired of the game. This is why they talk rubbish about "the old days", which was just as a teenager discovering Argonath for the first time, everything new and exciting with more imagination. 
  In the older generation, they will tell you about the good old days of nintendo and sega, or even the good old days without PC games... same you will find here.
  If players are still missing the good old days, its because you have been growing up and playing for so long, it starts to get boring doing the same thing over and over (which most SAPD do, thank god CMD changes SAPD now and again).

  RP has not decreased in quality or quantity. If you go looking for all the negatives, of course you will find. Only those who go around saying "bad RP" are the ones who do f**k all to show players what good RP is.

One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.

'Old days' ..........

Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.

It's not so much what we RP that is seen as the old days as it is how we RP'ed it, in a sense. I know for some who weren't around at the time it doesn't seem to make much sense, but even with Argo not being as advanced as it was at that time, things were still pretty amazing in comparison. It's not really anyone's fault...things just changed over time, especially with the loss of some great former players who had unique ideas that made the old days seem so much alive and well. We can bring that back fairly easily, but right now the community is lacking unity in how to do that...and in some cases, there are users that don't have a clue what it is and just don't care enough to even try it out. I know everyone isn't this way, but there are a few who are, and it makes it that much more difficult.

  Which is why this is complete bullshit. At least for SA:MP anyway. Read up and think about it yourself before you come up with some essay reply.

Otherwise: you want improvement? The only players I saw on the forums willing to put some effort into it, is command staff and some ARPD cops like the BCSD.

You do not need rank to change anything. All you need is....


LEAD BY EXAMPLE

And others will follow.


ONe thing I do agree on though - Academy is WAY too long a process. Seen a ARPD cop with good RP skills? INVITE THEM TO CADET IMMEDIATELY. Do not give a crap if they learn SAPD protocals. They will learn this through experience as cadets whilst patrolling with SAPD.

  Do not make them sit in the waiting room for weeks, they will be too bored and tired by the time they enter the PD.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Good job Jcstoods, you described it all in addition to my main first post. I just need to understand what everyone needs and i will give my effort... I have attempted to interest everyone with something which makes them entertained but there is always some people who think they are not entertained enough because they bring up some things such as 'old days'. We offer RP opportunities via our special departments.

I personally put Reece and Matrixbob up there because they are to give some entertainment and opportunities to others. They will lead others by example like the other command members do.

If you wanna roleplay being a Sheriff and want to be drunk in the rusty golden roads - ACS/DPD is your option
If you wanna roleplay being a Los Angeles city cop as per normal cops role in the clean spotless roads - LSPD is your option
If you wanna roleplay being a Chicago sort of person and want to be in some sort of a enlightening department with amazing streets - SFPD is your choice
If you wanna roleplay being a Las Vegas sort of person such as a semi-sheriff or a professional person in the strips and casinos with highways nearby - LVPD is your choice
... and more! We will not give limitations within the RP

And as i said, no one is perfect. You just need to stand up.