[SA:MP] Street Gangs are not gold mines.

[Briggs]

To all SAPD members, SAPD commands, ARPD members, ARPD commands

  I didn't want to make a topic about this here, but this has seriously made me sick of the attitude towards street gangs.

 Introduction: As you should know, street gangs usually hang out around the Eastern part of Los Santos, the gangs exist here for years already. Not recently but for quite a long time, I've observed that a lot of members, especially ARPD members have been treating street gang members like they are gold mines. Yes, there's nothing wrong if you use force on them if they cause trouble or threaten the citizens of Argonath, but it MUST be wrong if you go to their hoods, talk to a gang member with bad attitude or provocations when they do nothing wrong but standing still, and eventually you end up provoking a shootout between the officers and the gang members.

 Issue: Some of the police officers have been provoking street gangs for a shootout for a long time, no matter they're innocent or not, the police officers will just go to the front of a gang member, start saying a bunch of stuff like "What the **** are you looking at?", the members reaction is reply to you with a lot worse attitude, and then the police officer will just suspect the gang member for "Disrespecting Officer" and eventually the entire hood turns into a deathmatch zone between law enforcers and gang members. More example of provocations are like disturbing them and make them feel uncomfortable with some actions, abusing suspections (/su), and before an admin find out, the gang member is already shot dead, or no admins are online at that moment. So the officers will get the $100 or $600 by using police vehicle and then get away. Please, don't just say "Go report them on ARPD forums", that's not an effective solution because we have to make PEACE, not WARS, and we're not only dealing with an individual officer.

 Solution: The solutions that I suggest are keeping an eye out for any officers provoking the gang members, or we should LECTURE, TEACH the officers to NOT provoke the gang members, because almost 80 percent of shootouts in Gang's Hoods are from provocations from officers. If we can take control from the provocations from officers, I'm sure that Eastern Los Santos will be a lot more peaceful.

 Conclusions: Respect the gang members, we are to serve and protect, not kill and suspect, they're not gold mines.

[[WS]Mike]

Whenever I go up to a Suspect standing at GS9, I put all my guns away and slowly walk in an attempt to talk to them. In the last case of this, right as I approached them they pulled out combat shotguns and killed me.. its dangerous over there.

[Briggs]

Mike, as you said the gang member is already marked as a suspect, that's no problem if you engage them. However I'm talking about INNOCENT GANG MEMBERS, you know, they just stand there causing nothing harm and some officers walk up to them and start provoking

[[Rstar]Paul]

I agree, just depends if the other parties do the same..

[Francisco Martinez]

Full support. In a future division to teach the new officers this should be stated. 10 cop bans were isued in one evening because of this incidents.

As an officer of the San Andreas Police Department we are here to make sure Argonath is kept peaceful.
Our role here is the make sure that the delinquency that is committed in San Andreas is brought to justice.

This was the first line of the very first session I received.

EDIT:

Whenever I go up to a Suspect standing at GS9, I put all my guns away and slowly walk in an attempt to talk to them. In the last case of this, right as I approached them they pulled out combat shotguns and killed me.. its dangerous over there.

The ballas don't use combat shotgun, so that suspect must have been a new guy. With Frank or Hubbe things would be different. Last time I tried to talk with them when they were suspects an officer shot us all. That's the problem.

[Mash]

"Idlewood is a gang area" - Of course it is and it has always been like that! That is not a reason for you to be there. If we leave the ballas alone in their hood they will not harm anyone, same applies for any other group. Cops make the danger in Idlewood, not NBA.

Nicely said, Vince!

[Dolfa]

Idlewood has always been a crime zone, and that is not the fault of Ballas only (which is primarily), but other gangs and Police too. Of course when there is nothing happening or no illegal activities taking place they should never be provoked by Police, specially by SAPD, that's harassing civilians also punishable.

However if their "left alone" they will start distributing drugs, and do illegal activities under the radar while ruining the city's health in total and giving Los Santos a bad image. That's why after I was transfered to LSPD I encourage patrols such as foot patrols around Idlewood / Ganton and roleplaying. As long as both parties, can for ONCE negotiate and let the guns aside, we can come to a greater and better solution for both.


LT. Dolfa Kiedis
LSPD Command

[Francisco Martinez]

Idlewood has always been a crime zone, and that is not the fault of Ballas only (which is primarily), but other gangs and Police too. Of course when there is nothing happening or no illegal activities taking place they should never be provoked by Police, specially by SAPD, that's harassing civilians also punishable.

However if their "left alone" they will start distributing drugs, and do illegal activities under the radar while ruining the city's health in total and giving Los Santos a bad image. That's why after I was transfered to LSPD I encourage patrols such as foot patrols around Idlewood / Ganton and roleplaying. As long as both parties, can for ONCE negotiate and let the guns aside, we can come to a greater and better solution for both.


LT. Dolfa Kiedis
LSPD Command

Note that we didn't said "Don't go to Idlewood". The point is, being there waiting for the Ballas to do crimes, or to take out a weapon so they can suspect them.

[Dolfa]

Idlewood has always been a crime zone, and that is not the fault of Ballas only (which is primarily), but other gangs and Police too. Of course when there is nothing happening or no illegal activities taking place they should never be provoked by Police, specially by SAPD, that's harassing civilians also punishable.

However if their "left alone" they will start distributing drugs, and do illegal activities under the radar while ruining the city's health in total and giving Los Santos a bad image. That's why after I was transfered to LSPD I encourage patrols such as foot patrols around Idlewood / Ganton and roleplaying. As long as both parties, can for ONCE negotiate and let the guns aside, we can come to a greater and better solution for both.


LT. Dolfa Kiedis
LSPD Command

Note that we didn't said "Don't go to Idlewood". The point is, being there waiting for the Ballas to do crimes, or to take out a weapon so they can suspect them.

If we leave the ballas alone in their hood

Either Mash did not care to elaborate or you didn't read his reply.. Anyway everyone knows what's my opinion on cops camping and suspect hunting in Idlewood waiting for crimes to happen so they can earn money out of their own lazyness.

I think it's kinda useless discussing this without the participation of a representative of the "NBA", because we're implementing a rule that is only going to be known by cops and not the rest including the Ballas so they can report incidents, and who are also keen on provoking aswell, let's face it.

[Francisco Martinez]

Will make sure to try to notify Frank, since he holds the respect of everyone around Idlewood.

[[R*]Drix]

I do support, and i did always warn people not to do that. But it's good that you made post about it.
In before when i used to own C.R.A.S.H the only members who had eyes on gangs and knew how to act with them were us.No cops were allowed by us to provoke or even approach them without a cause. Shootouts were minimized, together with cops killings, officers and our members we're trained to cool things down between rival gangs and also by police provocations. Soon enough the division will be brought back, after Paul approves it.

[James Moretti]

I /support C.R.A.S.H (as soon as you tell me the meaning of these letters. )

[[R*]Drix]

I /support C.R.A.S.H (as soon as you tell me the meaning of these letters. )

Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums

[Francisco Martinez]

I /support C.R.A.S.H (as soon as you tell me the meaning of these letters. )

For this one you won't have to apologize.


C.R.A.S.H has a good purpose, and if done with a good team it will even increase the role-play scenarios between the gangs and the police force.

[[R*]Drix]

I /support C.R.A.S.H (as soon as you tell me the meaning of these letters. )

For this one you won't have to apologize.


C.R.A.S.H has a good purpose, and if done with a good team it will even increase the role-play scenarios between the gangs and the police force.

It did actually increase it you don't have to mention that because it's undoubtable

[James Moretti]

I /support C.R.A.S.H (as soon as you tell me the meaning of these letters. )

Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums

/support

[Briggs]

Idlewood has always been a crime zone, and that is not the fault of Ballas only (which is primarily), but other gangs and Police too. Of course when there is nothing happening or no illegal activities taking place they should never be provoked by Police, specially by SAPD, that's harassing civilians also punishable.

However if their "left alone" they will start distributing drugs, and do illegal activities under the radar while ruining the city's health in total and giving Los Santos a bad image. That's why after I was transfered to LSPD I encourage patrols such as foot patrols around Idlewood / Ganton and roleplaying. As long as both parties, can for ONCE negotiate and let the guns aside, we can come to a greater and better solution for both.


LT. Dolfa Kiedis
LSPD Command

Note that we didn't said "Don't go to Idlewood". The point is, being there waiting for the Ballas to do crimes, or to take out a weapon so they can suspect them.

If we leave the ballas alone in their hood

Either Mash did not care to elaborate or you didn't read his reply.. Anyway everyone knows what's my opinion on cops camping and suspect hunting in Idlewood waiting for crimes to happen so they can earn money out of their own lazyness.

I think it's kinda useless discussing this without the participation of a representative of the "NBA", because we're implementing a rule that is only going to be known by cops and not the rest including the Ballas so they can report incidents, and who are also keen on provoking aswell, let's face it.

Will make sure to try to notify Frank, since he holds the respect of everyone around Idlewood.

Before I posted this post, I had already talked to Ramo Hawk about the situation, eventually he said he will try to "do something" to prevent us cops from provoking in Idlewood and GS9.

But yes, talk to Frank Hawk too as he's the leader of Ballas.

Chatlog of conversation between Ramo and I:

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[23:51:10] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): You're one of the Ballas.
[23:51:14] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): So?
[23:51:23] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): You get what I mean, cops talk to you and suddenly a d**n shootout is triggered
[23:51:32] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): Seriously, you got no feeling about THAT?
[23:51:36] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): All we do is stand at Idlewood
[23:51:45] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): We get abused all the time.. theres nothing to do about it
[23:51:47] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): But the cops man, the cops.
[23:51:56] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): Yeah, I'm sick of that already
[23:52:13] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): So what you think man.
[23:52:25] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): what do you want me to do..?
[23:52:44] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): Seriously, you're not caring about your own brothers?
[23:52:59] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): Everyday you just get shot for nothing and keep losing money.
[23:52:59] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): but i can do nothing about it lol
[23:53:15] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): Why the hell don't you make a SUGGESTION!?
[23:53:33] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): Because theres nothing I can do...
[23:53:57] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): You got main forums account, I really think you should go to SA:MP General
[23:54:05] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): Go start a topic... really.
[23:54:08] PM from Ramo_Hawk(115): I'll try do something
[23:54:12] PM to Ramo_Hawk(115): I'm feeling pity for you you know?

[[Rstar]Paul]

ARPD forces in-game can be controllable, depends if the leader of the party is willing to be more depth in roleplay.
Sometimes we can get to the point in a well roleplay scene, but something will mess it up such as the other party takes out their weapons and leaves them idle with their hands after told to put it down as it is a security ris

Currently:
- If we spray them, the blast of nonsense occurs
- If we communicate, pushing and shoving will occur
- If one player from any party takes a step which leads all players there in a risk, then everyone will take their own way.

I suggest:
- Before you proceed to a criminal scene with many players around, be sure to contact the leader via PM and organize what's going to happen and how thing's should be done.
- Hold your members tight and make sure they are in a neutral act.

The leadership remains in power to those who are organizing the roleplay events. Sometimes inexperienced officers can have absolute no idea on how they should act properly in a situation where many people conducting it. That is why I'm developing a Desk Staff division in order to assist them, and those officers who do assist them will be rewarded.. what you'll be rewarded with? You'll see once RS5 comes live.

Anyone can do the above, if someone ruins a roleplay scenario - report them to the online administrators or else use [email protected]
Should you need any other clarifications, ask it here or in the Questions and Ideas topic.

[Mash]

You wish to have the control over Idlewood - use SADA.

You wish to have control over Gvardia / Corleone / Ancelotti or any other crime family - use SADA.

With undercover officers do you have the control and you will always have something to say.. Expected the ones who infilitrate are trained and know what it takes.

[Briggs]

ARPD forces in-game can be controllable, depends if the leader of the party is willing to be more depth in roleplay.
Sometimes we can get to the point in a well roleplay scene, but something will mess it up such as the other party takes out their weapons and leaves them idle with their hands after told to put it down as it is a security ris

Currently:
- If we spray them, the blast of nonsense occurs
- If we communicate, pushing and shoving will occur
- If one player from any party takes a step which leads all players there in a risk, then everyone will take their own way.

I suggest:
- Before you proceed to a criminal scene with many players around, be sure to contact the leader via PM and organize what's going to happen and how thing's should be done.
- Hold your members tight and make sure they are in a neutral act.

The leadership remains in power to those who are organizing the roleplay events. Sometimes inexperienced officers can have absolute no idea on how they should act properly in a situation where many people conducting it. That is why I'm developing a Desk Staff division in order to assist them, and those officers who do assist them will be rewarded.. what you'll be rewarded with? You'll see once RS5 comes live.

Anyone can do the above, if someone ruins a roleplay scenario - report them to the online administrators or else use [email protected]
Should you need any other clarifications, ask it here or in the Questions and Ideas topic.

That's what I am talking about, we need someone to assist and lecture the officers about how to handle the situation IN A MORE RP WAY, instead of going in front of them and start spraying with your weapons. However, the system of Street Gangs are a little bit like the SAPD and ARPD system, they also have new recruits who are inexperienced AND you cannot guarantee the situations will just occur when there's a veteran or leader of the party. So we are not only lecturing the officers, we need someone to also lecture the new recruits of street gangs about how to handle the situation, in a more "RP" way, so in that way, we can have a more successful roleplay between the gangs and the cops.

About lecturing the new recruits of street gangs, we have to pass the job to the veterans and leaders of the gangs.