Officer Anthrax - Reckless driving

[KhornateMonkey]

Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators:

1. Officer Anthrax - Reckless driving, causing danger to other civilians via driving the wrong way up the intersection. I had set up a system to stop drivers from going up the wrong ramp of the Muholland Intersection. Civilians that went up the wrong ramp would have been suspected.
2. Officer's Department - San Fierro Police Department

Evidence.a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m895b5JqwJc

Date: Sunday, 18th November, 2012
Time: Between 19:00 and 19:25 GMT

Civillian(s) involved: Oliver_Ancelotti(Can be seen having to brake)

Signed
Phillip H. Redmond

[Han_Solo]

I am Oliver_Ancelotti in the video presented as evidence.

Officer Anthrax was driving incorrectly up the wrong ramp at the Mullholland Int. causing me to break extremely and swerve to avoid him. Not only this but the officer involved did not have is emergency lights on, which suggests to me that he was not in an emergency.
Therefore the officer should have used the correct ramp, which is why the road blocks were there.

Although there was no damage sustained to my vehicle, it could have ended much worse.

- Oliver

[Plam Knight]

Sergeant Perry will handle this report, so for time being please await his reply.

[Def Perry]

Alright I'll look into it as soon as I have time.
Meanwhile, please contact AnthraX about this report and let him give his statement.

[KhornateMonkey]

Already have on these forums

[Anthrax]

To Def Perry, command staff of the San Andreas Police Department
Defence of accusements of "reckless driving" and "causing endangerment to civilians"

I want to start of my explaining my side of this.
I was heading northbound towards Las Venturas to respond to a suspect in that area.
As quoted in the consecution XIII.II any law enforcer are allowed and authorized to use any neccesary force to stop crime/criminal or prevent so.
By this means I am allowed to break traffic laws in order to respond to a call as in emergency (Code 2 with ELS lights) to prevent any further crime from the suspect.
This report is invalid and thats my statement in this case.

I also want to mention is that I was extremely cation when driving up the ramp as I saw the civilian.
As I see Monkey is claiming I was putting endangerment to civilians, I find that completely invalid as I was driving with cautioness.
If this accusement is seen by any as valid, it can be compared as breaking ANY traffic law as endangerment, as officers are everyday puttings risks to any person being.
The same goes for the reckless driving, it was neccesary to prevent further crime from the suspect and as mentioned before.

I just want to note that none of these accusements against me are correct, I really wonder why I am getting reported when civilians EVERYDAY is put under a "RISK" and I find it really nonsence to say that driving pass a civilian is a risk to the civilian, especally when I was driving under speed limit. Briefly then every officer in Argonath RPG are to be reported for putting civilians in a "risk" even in such a minor case like this, depending on the result of this case of course, by command staff of course.


Shortly I cant see the problem here?
How did I put a civilian under a "risk" when I was passing him with my ELS lights on?
Why didnt I get notified before or afterwards about this "checkpoint" thing?
Having a ARA traffic checkpoint doesent imply having extra strict traffic rules, correct?

How come I get reported for this extremly minor case when officers every day does worse things like accedently crashing their vehicles in civilains? or driving pass civilians on foot in high speed? or being in a shootout were civilians might be close to it and put under a "RISK"? Then I say every time things like that happend there should be a report for it, if I am find "guilty" for this, that are false accusements...

Lastly I will quote again by consecution law XIII.II -  Persons mentioned in Act XIII.I (law enforcment) are allowed to use necessary force to prevent a crime or to stop a criminal. That means breaking traffic laws (reckless driving) and by that might be considering putting a civilain under a risk, simple as that

Signed,
Anth SinatraX


 

[KhornateMonkey]

To Sergeant Def Perry
RE: Reply from Anthrax

I was heading northbound towards Las Venturas to respond to a suspect in that area.

Are you able to show logs of you reporting this in the radio?

(Code 2 with ELS lights)

I see no police lighting in the video

I also want to mention is that I was extremely cation when driving up the ramp as I saw the civilian.
As I see Monkey is claiming I was putting endangerment to civilians, I find that completely invalid as I was driving with cautioness.

No matter, many people are coming down the hill at high speeds due to them just coming off of an highway.

If this accusement is seen by any as valid, it can be compared as breaking ANY traffic law as endangerment,
The same goes for the reckless driving, it was neccesary to prevent further crime from the suspect and as mentioned before.

Breaking any traffic law is dangerous, that's why they are there..

How did I put a civilian under a "risk" when I was passing him with my ELS lights on?

Driving the wrong way up a busy junction, that is the risk. ELS or not, drivers wouldn't have time to react(Oliver breaking hard for example)

Why didnt I get notified before or afterwards about this "checkpoint" thing?

Many advertisment's were placed in main chat. I have witnesses to confirm it. I could even get a log check from managers if you wish?

Having a ARA traffic checkpoint doesent imply having extra strict traffic rules, correct?

It does. Lowered speed limits are placed to reduce injury to roadworkers, and civlians(Stated in chapter 1, figure 1.7, General Regulations for Roadworks)

You say you're protecting civilians, yet you endanger them by driving the wrong way onto a highway?

[Anthrax]

I was heading northbound towards Las Venturas to respond to a suspect in that area.

Are you able to show logs of you reporting this in the radio?

I am not obligated to report my status every single time I head for a suspect, but its recommended and I do it most of the time. I did not report my status in this case.
But it doesent matter as I am seen with ELS lights and seen to be responding to a call.

(Code 2 with ELS lights)

I see no police lighting in the video

Well that can be affected by your mods or whatsoever, I used them and it may be a sync/mod problem, I am not sure, doesent matter.
Its actully not even possible to see in the video too.

I also want to mention is that I was extremely cation when driving up the ramp as I saw the civilian.
As I see Monkey is claiming I was putting endangerment to civilians, I find that completely invalid as I was driving with cautioness.

No matter, many people are coming down the hill at high speeds due to them just coming off of an highway.

Doesent matter at ALL, you cant think that way and say that "many people" do this and that.
As said I was responding to a call, and I acted AFTER Police regulations and consecution laws, that makes this whole report invalid.

If this accusement is seen by any as valid, it can be compared as breaking ANY traffic law as endangerment,
The same goes for the reckless driving, it was neccesary to prevent further crime from the suspect and as mentioned before.

Breaking any traffic law is dangerous, that's why they are there..

Cant see what your point is there? As I have said already five times now I was responding to a call where it was neccesary to break traffic limits that might be seen as reckless driving and putting civilians under a "risk" but still was neccesary to avoid the criminal I was after to do further crimes, simply to prevent in other words.

How did I put a civilian under a "risk" when I was passing him with my ELS lights on?

Driving the wrong way up a busy junction, that is the risk. ELS or not, drivers wouldn't have time to react(Oliver breaking hard for example)

Well THAT is a decision an officer must take himself, you cannot report me for not thinking what estimated risks you are saying.
I really want to stop repeating myself but.. I was responding to a call where it was neccesary to break traffic limits that might be seen as reckless driving and putting civilians under a "risk" but still was neccesary to avoid the criminal I was after to do further crimes.

Why didnt I get notified before or afterwards about this "checkpoint" thing?

Many advertisment's were placed in main chat. I have witnesses to confirm it. I could even get a log check from managers if you wish?[/qoute]

Doesent matter at all if you did advertisments at all in this case, you cant expect anyone to see them and I did not either. So this doesent hold up as any arguement.

Having a ARA traffic checkpoint doesent imply having extra strict traffic rules, correct?

It does. Lowered speed limits are placed to reduce injury to roadworkers, and civlians

Doesent matter if it does, I am allowed to break traffic rules as stated in XIII.II by any neccesary means to prevent/respond to crime.


You better starting getting some better arguements then this, because it simply doesent hold.
I have even explained to you how things work, but now you come up with stuff telling me things thats is totaly up to every individual.
You made up this case of this minor thing that isnt even valid, now stand up for yourselves..

[KhornateMonkey]

I have nothing further to say as my points have been made clear

[Anthrax]

I have nothing further to say as my points have been made clear

You see? Your points are far from clear as I just mention.
Only reason you have nothing further to say is that everything I just said is the truth.

Lets wait and see what Sergeant Def Perry has to say, as I know he agrees with both the consecution and the regulations.

[J. Jones]

To clear up the constitutional aspect of this:

Section III: Criminal Law

Act III.I: Reckless driving understand any form of driving that could endanger other citizens. Under such circumstances, a police officer is allowed to take necessary actions.

The point where you hit the vehicle goes beyond the underlined text. This is an unnecessary endangerment to the citizen as there was an alternate route. So by this, you acted in an incorrect manner.

[Anthrax]

In all respect Jones, its completely unecesarry to point out that I acted in an incorrect manner when you dont have all the facts in this case.
Its up to Def Perry how this case ends, and the result of the decision might have some consequenses as alot of officers are doing alot of more mayor things like this case, in general.

Anyway, I did never hit any vehicle, even the civilian said that so its false by you to claim that I did, so you as a Judge are implying that if I did not hit a vehicle (like I didnt) the statement I already gave is true, that I am not guilty of any reckless driving?
Like you said... "The point where you hit the vehicle goes beyond the underlined text" I did not hit any vehicle, therefor my statement is correct, this case is not valid and I am not guilty in whatsoever reckless driving.

[J. Jones]

In all respect Jones, its completely unecesarry to point out that I acted in an incorrect manner when you dont have all the facts in this case.
Its up to Def Perry how this case ends, and the result of the decision might have some consequenses as alot of officers are doing alot of more mayor things like this case, in general.

Anyway, I did never hit any vehicle, even the civilian said that so its false by you to claim that I did, so you as a Judge are implying that if I did not hit a vehicle (like I didnt) the statement I already gave is true, that I am not guilty of any reckless driving?
Like you said... "The point where you hit the vehicle goes beyond the underlined text" I did not hit any vehicle, therefor my statement is correct, this case is not valid and I am not guilty in whatsoever reckless driving.

The underlined part of the constitution shows the answer; if you endangered him (as you did, forcing him to take more actions than needed), you are by definition, driving recklessly. I posted here to explain the constitution in order to help you, Def and Monkey..

[Anthrax]

How can I endangering him with a speed under the speedlimit, driving off road (if he was to crash into me that would be his fault) and being with ELS lights on?
If passing a civilian vehicle endangering civilains, every officer should be reported already, so I took the action neccesary needed to get as quick as possible to the criminal.

[KhornateMonkey]

How can I endangering him with a speed under the speedlimit, driving off road (if he was to crash into me that would be his fault) and being with ELS lights on?
If passing a civilian vehicle endangering civilains, every officer should be reported already, so I took the action neccesary needed to get as quick as possible to the criminal.

He's coming off of a highway, in which he was probably driving at max speed. No matter what speed you were going, he would have been seriously injured, you too. You're also endangering him by driving up the WRONG WAY of an exit to a Intersection. You only went off road when you met him head on, and he braked. It's also a well known fact that ELS lights can't be seen by other players in the daytime.

You say you would have got there quicker by going up the wrong ramp, yet you had to go around the barriers, and then drive "slowly" up the hill to 'avoid' a crash with other drivers. When you could have gone at max speed the correct way which would have been quicker, and you wouldn't have had to endanger other lives. Stop coming up with the same excuse, when going up the correct ramp would have been quicker.

[Anthrax]

- ELS in daytime: False accusment Can be easly seen by original police car mods, not sure about your mods.

- False accusment again. As you can see in the video I went on the side of the road at ALL times to avoid any potential colitions, and I did not cause any colition or any damage to anyone, only thing that seems to be an issue here is that a civilian had to break to a police vehicle in a call that seems t be pretty normal to me.

- What you say about what is quickest and so on, this is totaly up to the driver, both of them could be quicker depending on your speed and driving, at that time I belived going the wrong ramp were quicker, thats it. What you are saying here doesent add up to any points as its totaly up to whatever and are just speculations.

And one more note: I think its kind of ridiclius to really get reported for such a minor thing that isnt even valid, but if you want drama you get drama..

[Anthrax]

You know what I have said my story of this and if I deserve being fired for this, I guess I do.
It's on tape so I guess I am guilty of driving up the wrong mulholland ramp, I give up in this ridiclius case...
My repuation as a loyal and hard work for SAPD has already been broken already, I wont discuss anymore cause its leads to nothing but the same result, I give up.

[Travis Colt]

If we're going to report all officers that drive not properly then we'll have not more than 2 officers at the end of the day.
Officer AnthraX is a damn fine officer who does his job just fine, that is what matters much more than a ramp that everybody uses as a normal lane anyway. Besides was the officer in a hurry to respond to a call, which partially justifies the reason.

I vouch this case to be dismissed. If we're going to investigate and evaluate officers on this kind of issues then I should've reported the old Chief as he bumped into me once aswell.
What the Chief did for the SAPD and for the safety of our citizens however, deserves way more respect than this report. A little common sense would not be misplaced.

[Plam Knight]

Truely report honestly seems overkill, but no SAPD Command member can ignore little facts, question is the time and energy anyone spend here at the end highest thing command staff might do is official warning and ticket for $250, so Monkey seems to think he can make more difference by reporting 1 officer here on forums rather then being out there protecting that ramp and talking with people who break laws, BEFORE HE REPORTS THEM.

[KhornateMonkey]

Plam, go get your facts right before you start preaching. Everyday I spend one hour at that ramp placing barriers, pacing adverts saying not to use the wrong ramp and suspecting those who do go on the wrong ramp. It just so happens that Anthrax was going up the wrong ramp, and so I reported him, end of story.

SAPD is being reformed to be a professional department, with stricter regulations. If you want to be an example to the server on how we should all act, don't break laws.