SA:MP - "closed" SAPD

[Matthew Carter]

If so many people agree, high ranks, admins, managers then why not listen?

[Leon Arallian]

If so many people agree, high ranks, admins, managers then why not listen?

As said before it breaches the vision, which is the core foundation that the server is built upon. Under no circumstances will it be changed/avoided.

Besides, I repeat: What good can come from limiting SAPD to be application-only? It only brings harm for those who want to be on duty without applying to the SAPD, to go through the application process which takes time, and to even risk denial from the process because they cannot reach the requirements.
A large number of SAPD officers are properly behaving, and to limit the freedom all because of a few bad apples is just wrong.

Other communities have the system you desire so much, and Argonath simply remains a world of its own. Locking down cop duty ruins it for all, and it simply disappoints me to even see the SAPD command agree with this.

[Martin Solonik]

I would like to point out that today, we, the Corleones were trolling because of the lack of criminal role-play. We are just sitting down all day long waiting for a Luciano to drive-by and shoot us with their combat shotguns.

So we join the SAPD to troll around and have some fun. Duo the lack of script features for criminals we have to do something else. I hereby present the today's accident,

Alphonse Corleone.

[Timothy_Reeds]

If so many people agree, high ranks, admins, managers then why not listen?

As said before it breaches the vision, which is the core foundation that the server is built upon. Under no circumstances will it be changed/avoided.

Sorry but we're in 2014.

Besides, I repeat: What good can come from limiting SAPD to be application-only? It only brings harm for those who want to be on duty without applying to the SAPD, to go through the application process which takes time, and to even risk denial from the process because they cannot reach the requirements.
A large number of SAPD officers are properly behaving, and to limit the freedom all because of a few bad apples is just wrong.

A large number? Uhm, I don't think so. If you call "SAPD officers" those who just go on duty to catch the criminals then we're talking about something totally different. At the current players average there are just too much police officers "hunting" either criminals or suspects just to earn some cash from it. They're getting frustrated and they begin to abuse players, especially the new ones.

I'm pretty sure this idea would be improving the server and get rid of the cops and robbers aspect.

[Kevin_Arens]

What good can come from limiting SAPD to be application-only?

More professionalism, better pursuits, better radio communication, no trolls, family feeling, higher level of trainings, more roleplay, better reputation,better knowledge of regulations,..
Why are we giving those trainings in the academy? To improve the skills of the Officer.

It only brings harm for those who want to be on duty without applying to the SAPD, to go through the application process which takes time, and to even risk denial from the process because they cannot reach the requirements.

I'm sure that almost everyone that is on cop duty is a Probationary Officer already.
Who cannot reach the requirements?
We teach them in the academy.
If you cannot pass the interview, then you are weak imo.
And I hate it that Mafia/Gangs/Criminals can join cop duty, they only come to troll and give us a bad reputation.

It simply disappoints me to even see the SAPD command agree with this.

I agree with the SAPD CMD, why are you disappointed? They only want the SAPD to be professional and they want to move forward.
ARPD and SAPD was much better than it is now.
I understand Gandalf, he wants everyone to be equal but some things are not working.
And to be honest, the SAPD in RS4 was much better, I had a family feeling and everyone was professional etcetera.
I miss that feeling in RS5.
Now it is moaning on the radio, '10-3' , reports, fights for money, trolling,..
SAPD and ARPD was better than SAPD.

[Matthew Carter]

Perhaps if argo vision wants people to enter any duty when they want, maybe then open the volunteer officer duty again who gets nitestick and pepper spray, with no ability to /Su.
Those who want more can apply for SAPD.

[DarkShadowBlade]

Here's a short quote: "If people find out you're nice, they can walk all over you." If Argonath is too nice and forgiving to all these "trolls" they will walk all over it.

Nothing else needs to be said. If Argonath can't tighten itself and become far more harsh for idiotic garbage like "trolling" it's going to be an abused server. And to be honest, it already is, just look at youtube and see how many people come and hack and ban evade on this server. It's saddening and disgusting, but nothing can be done. It's Gandalf's choice, not ours. Only 2 solutions appear here. 1. Sergeants need to be more active. 2. Allow Supervisory Officers to Cop Ban (Plus they need to be more active). I see no other solution. Unless you want to tell Gandalf how much people like to screw with his server and the divisions, it's probably going to stay the same way. SAPD can't change unless Argo changes. And it won't.

 Maybe try talking to the SA:MP Division Leader Devin or a Community Leader, and see if they have anything to add concerning this.

[Padres_Rosso]

Let's all put the cards on the table. Argonath started glorious in 2006 and pushed its way perfectly through several issues, problems, bad and good encounters, up to 2014 when RS5 was released. RS5 changed the whole server -- no -- not just the server, the community. People change, come and leave and who can we accuse for that? The answer isn't even that easy to answer. Most accuse the scripters, some Gandalf himself, some also accuse the players for leaving too rapidly. Now since the start of RS5 argonath started to get into a critical point, losing players day for day, nothing is like in the old days anymore which might mean that we need a new start.

That new start may really include a change in the vision, maybe just for a temporary amount of time to get the server back stable and motion players to do something else than doing copduty as excuse to DM or money-farm. As previously stated the SAPD is really losing their reputation because of a lack of experienced officers willing to teach new ones - or because of that huge amount of trollers attempting to annoy the f**k out of other people.

Forcing SAPD Recruitment only would hopefully make players realise that there are alot of other roles they can play as. And accepting the fact that SAPD is a closed group then we can enforce heavier rules with more roleplay involved. Officers will be specialized in RP and will lead by example.

However. The decision is solely based on Gandalf's opinion and we should all respect that.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Against the vision?  Don't play that old card again and again vision already tarnished since alot of in-game features restricted to specific groups.

Tarnished? I think not. There's no card being played here. These rules have not changed since the day the community was founded. If you find that someone is violating the Vision, you should be shooting an email to one of the community's email addresses to report it.

Sorry but we're in 2014.

Then you are welcome to go elsewhere. The Vision won't change just because you think it is outdated.


The server is not the problem. The players are. Find ways to deal with the abusers, not ways to "prevent" them from joining, just so you can close them off from the rest of the game. Restricting SA:MP SAPD will do nothing more than avoid the problem instead of dealing with it directly.

[Matthew Carter]

These rules have not changed since the day the community was founded.

Meanwhile the community players changed and those rules don't fulfill the act of some players.

not ways to "prevent" them from joining

Of course, it's always good to have few trolls on duty to waste time on and get PMs and 911 calls of abuse, threats and misuse.

[Marcus Ferreira]

I would like Gandalf to read this and make SAPD a closed group.

[Leon Arallian]

Of course, it's always good to have few trolls on duty to waste time on and get PMs and 911 calls of abuse, threats and misuse.

We have told you a good number of times that you must report these trolls to SAPD command or even the Admin team if required...
If you restrict the group, consider the fact you are taking the opportunity of many others away, as others tried to say.

[Matthew Carter]

Of course, it's always good to have few trolls on duty to waste time on and get PMs and 911 calls of abuse, threats and misuse.

We have told you a good number of times that you must report these trolls to SAPD command or even the Admin team if required...
If you restrict the group, consider the fact you are taking the opportunity of many others away, as others tried to say.

They don't get that appropriate punishment.
24hour copban just makes them laugh.

If the closed SAPD ain't gonna happen, I suggest permanent copbans or just stricter copbans which would last longer.

[Leon Arallian]

I suggest permanent copbans

Possible, but not preferred/accepted well. I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.

Stricter copbans which would last longer.

Ultimately comes down to the person holding the rights. It's common sense that repeated behavior will get a longer punishment, however.
Who knows, it might even cause a server banishment in rare cases.

[Will]

Take it into consideration, the number of officers online will be decreased significantly.

[Spike]

well yes it will be decreased but RP will increase.

[James Moretti]

I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.

Would love this.

[Spike]

I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.

Best Idea ever

Would love to see this.

[Miyamoto Parker]

I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.

Interesting this idea.

[Milano Alvarez]

I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.

Interesting this idea.