Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Alan Demarest on July 07, 2010, 22:53:49 pm
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I'd like to hear people's opinions on this matter, in the old days there were rules that balanced out the play with Cops and Suspects.
Here are two of those -I- personaly would like to see come back:
1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
2. No heavy weapons usage on unarmed/lightly armed suspects.
-More fair play for suspects
We're all here to have fun, just as the criminals are.
Opinions?
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My opinion?
No drive-by as copper.
No civilian cars as copper.
Only use the weapons you are issued with as copper. (Nitestick, Deagle, Shotgun, Pepperspray (remove the MP5))
That's what I would like. I would also like a friendlier atmosphere and more teamwork. A more organized ARPD. But not too many regulations like the era when we couldn't go outside city limits and such...
Just... Cops as cops "should" be...
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Yes, bring back those rules, things must be more strict.
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My opinion?
No drive-by as copper.
No civilian cars as copper.
Only use the weapons you are issued with as copper. (Nitestick, Deagle, Shotgun, Pepperspray (remove the MP5))
That's what I would like. I would also like a friendlier atmosphere and more teamwork. A more organized ARPD. But not too many regulations like the era when we couldn't go outside city limits and such...
Just... Cops as cops "should" be...
And how are we supposed to deal with suspects in Infernuses and cars packed with DBing criminals?
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Drive by is too gangsterish for my tastes. It would be nice if the SA:MP allowed driveby with shotguns and pistols like MTA SA, which would be more viable for cop RP. Using SMG on cars that can be out driven by a normal cruiser offends the driver! Although different situations calls for different levels of force. No need to complicate rules - use common sense.
I use heavy weapons to accommodate my role-play character (AK and Sniper). Primarily to look bad ass and shoot inanimate objects. If I criminal knows I have this weapon and tries to run or fight, it is his choice. I would rather RP though and not shoot to kill. That's why my primary weapon is a katana or a shovel. The only police issue weapon that matches my RP is the shotgun, however I sometimes use the sawn off because of it's antiquity (and its no longer so popular). If I ever have pepperspray I use it as deodorant and mouth spray.
I also use a civilian pickup truck to throw immigrants/ trolls/ zombies/ black guys in when I need to ferry people around, and have used other civilian vehicles for other appropriate situations when I am a Sheriff (such as trucks).
So for point 1, the rules should be to use common sense. For 2, make sure you give warnings in an RP way, and make further use of common sense. (In my opinion).
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This Server needs more rules than whats posted to improve Roleplaying.
But, It's just how this server chooses to be and I have no right to change that.
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My opinion?
No drive-by as copper.
No civilian cars as copper.
Only use the weapons you are issued with as copper. (Nitestick, Deagle, Shotgun, Pepperspray (remove the MP5))
That's what I would like. I would also like a friendlier atmosphere and more teamwork. A more organized ARPD. But not too many regulations like the era when we couldn't go outside city limits and such...
Just... Cops as cops "should" be...
And how are we supposed to deal with suspects in Infernuses and cars packed with DBing criminals?
Hey, that's just my opinion man. I just think theres too many officers driving around in dragracers and shooting with M249s.
I grab a Regina and try to make a run for it after being suspected for reckless driving. Two officers in an Infernus and one on an NRG show up and start to spray the living crap out of me with bullets (both the biker and the passenger in the infernus). As I try to run away from my car that is now on fire to save my own life I get killed. Combats and M4s done shot me to hell. I had no weapons and I didn't even cause that of a serious threat... to anyone.
Just ask yourself that question. What would we do if we couldn't use super cars and sport bikes and not spray with our submachineguns?
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I've already worked out a list of guidelines for the not-so-near future to help imrpove SAPD, and bring it back to what it once was.. The guidelines aren't ridiculous like strict city boundaries, but they work off of improving relations with cops and criminals, making it a tad more realistic. Some of the things you may see in the near future may seem a little unnecessary, but they're not over the edge; and of course, there are bound to be amendments. :roll:
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This Server needs more rules than whats posted to improve Roleplaying.
But, It's just how this server chooses to be and I have no right to change that.
If you have a problem with "This Server" then you're free to leave. You're currently a senior officer with the SAPD, and if you refer to Argo as "that server" with no intent to give your suggestions in detail, again, you can feel free to resign and/or leave.
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completely agree with this but I have my own suggestion for a rule
No firearm usage what so ever on an unarmed running suspect run after them in a damn footchase if they get in a car then open fire
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Okay I might have overreacted a bit with my whole RESTRICT EVERYTHING!! thing but it's just that I think two cops driving around in a pink Infernus and shooting at everything orange with their combats and assault rifles... It's just... No. It's not police work at all. It's... No, it's not deathmatching but that's what comes to mind when I think about it. It's bad anyhow. I think so anyway.
edit: And it's not like I have this huge problem with everyone who buys extra firepower or drive their highway patrol Buffalo or anything. It's not like I wish everyone who do this were dead or anything. I don't REALLY mind this... like... I can't sleep about it or anything but I think it surely has gotten out of hand :razz:
AND that is great to hear, Vince.
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I've already worked out a list of guidelines for the not-so-near future to help imrpove SAPD, and bring it back to what it once was.. The guidelines aren't ridiculous like strict city boundaries, but they work off of improving relations with cops and criminals, making it a tad more realistic. Some of the things you may see in the near future may seem a little unnecessary, but they're not over the edge; and of course, there are bound to be amendments. :roll:
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This Server needs more rules than whats posted to improve Roleplaying.
But, It's just how this server chooses to be and I have no right to change that.
If you have a problem with "This Server" then you're free to leave. You're currently a senior officer with the SAPD, and if you refer to Argo as "that server" with no intent to give your suggestions in detail, again, you can feel free to resign and/or leave.
he might be right, certain players tend to abuse the fact we dont have some rules written and make drama when they get cought >.>
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I only play here for a bit of Cops & Robbers. I know it's supposed to be Roleplay and I don't mind it a few times a Day.
But, If I wanted to Roleplay all the time, I'd just find somewhere else. Me alone can't change the theme of Argonath.
I thought people were just breaking Rules, but there ARE no Rules against somethings and everyone knows that and it's just how it is.
I simply followed what I had been doing for the past year and a half when I first joined Argonath.
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2. No heavy weapons usage on unarmed/lightly armed suspects.
-More fair play for suspects
Well i dont agree with this rule, if we have heavy weapons that dont means we will use on them i always use spray for them, so we arent gods to know if they are heavy armed or no :), anyway its up to SAPD command if they bring those rules i will follow them i cant do nothing :)
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There rules should be made for someone that is not biased.
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I only play here for a bit of Cops & Robbers. I know it's supposed to be Roleplay and I don't mind it a few times a Day.
But, If I wanted to Roleplay all the time, I'd just find somewhere else. Me alone can't change the theme of Argonath.
I thought people were just breaking Rules, but there ARE no Rules against somethings and everyone knows that and it's just how it is.
I simply followed what I had been doing for the past year and a half when I first joined Argonath.
So wait, you treat Argonath as a cops n robbers server with no ambition of RPing whatsoever?
Excuse me while I talk to the head of your PD about this.
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Let's just keep it how it is. Less complicated.
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The good of this is that cops wont kill standing suspect.
The bad is making alot of confusion with Freecops that are new to the server.. and more Confusion..
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Use common sense on all of the above, and there will be no problem.
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1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
BUT THAT WILL PUT ME OUT OF MY JOB!
Seriously though, agreed to both.
However, when a slow car has 3 blokes that are shooting at you, I return fire.
No drive-by as copper.
No civilian cars as copper.
Only use the weapons you are issued with as copper. (Nitestick, Deagle, Shotgun, Pepperspray (remove the MP5))
OI! You mad.
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1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
2. No heavy weapons usage on unarmed/lightly armed suspects.
-More fair play for suspects
Agreed with those.
No firearm usage what so ever on an unarmed running suspect run after them in a damn footchase if they get in a car then open fire
I disagree with this one. Officers are mostly running after suspects instead of just shooting at them from one place.. In my opinion suspect who is running away and not answering "Surrender" calls, can be taken down with lethal force.
I would also really love to see the dark blue color back, but after long discussion with CBFasi, I know it's impossible :( Unfortunately.
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My opinion?
No drive-by as copper.
No civilian cars as copper.
Only use the weapons you are issued with as copper. (Nitestick, Deagle, Shotgun, Pepperspray (remove the MP5))
That's what I would like. I would also like a friendlier atmosphere and more teamwork. A more organized ARPD. But not too many regulations like the era when we couldn't go outside city limits and such...
Just... Cops as cops "should" be...
And how are we supposed to deal with suspects in Infernuses and cars packed with DBing criminals?
My oponion
Make server rules, of no drive-bying suspect, unless commit "heavy" crime such as Serial Murder or Drug Dealing, not evading traffic stop or $50 ticket fine, and DBing
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1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving. UNLESS fired upon from the evading vehicle.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
2. No heavy weapons usage on unarmed/lightly armed suspects.
-More fair play for suspects
No civilian cars as copper.
My favorite pack of rules.
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No civilian cars as copper.
I remember getting yelled at for that. :D
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1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
BUT THAT WILL PUT ME OUT OF MY JOB!
Seriously though, agreed to both.
However, when a slow car has 3 blokes that are shooting at you, I return fire.
No drive-by as copper.
No civilian cars as copper.
Only use the weapons you are issued with as copper. (Nitestick, Deagle, Shotgun, Pepperspray (remove the MP5))
OI! You mad.
Yes, sir. If anyone disagrees with me I will smack them in the head with a baseball bat.
Don't take it literally...anymore. What I'm saying is we should "reform" and "encourage" people to.. uhh... be cops. For real.
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What I'm saying is we should "reform" and "encourage" people to.. uhh... be cops. For real.
I actually agree with this, would be cool to stop seeing patrol cops with combat shotties.
At least SWAT would still be able to blast criminals with SMGs :D
Train of thought moving forward: Actually, if cops were only able to use 'light' weapons there might be a bigger need for SWAT, most of the times we just cruise around town and get bored at absolutely nothing going on.
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Seeing as you all have so many ideas ( :devroll:) I'd appreciate if someone could make a list of all the ones you people have suggested, and make a post if you have a suggestion of something you'd like to see. (Of course, not one that someone already posted pwease)
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Same thing as JCstodds said,USE COMMON SENSE. :)
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I'd like to hear people's opinions on this matter, in the old days there were rules that balanced out the play with Cops and Suspects.
Here are two of those -I- personaly would like to see come back:
1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
2. No heavy weapons usage on unarmed/lightly armed suspects.
-More fair play for suspects
We're all here to have fun, just as the criminals are.
Opinions?
I agree. Although if it were me I'd ban the usage of sports cars. Those things are a pain in the ass to chase and we don't always have the luxury of a Pursuit Vehicle.
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Seeing as you all have so many ideas ( :devroll:) I'd appreciate if someone could make a list of all the ones you people have suggested, and make a post if you have a suggestion of something you'd like to see. (Of course, not one that someone already posted pwease)
I hope this helps;
Suggested so far:
Alan Demarest:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
Tiderman:
- No drive-bying as a cop (None at all).
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No other weapons used on duty than standard issued (Desert eagle, batton, pepperspray, shotgun. NO SMG!)
JcsTodds: (feel free to ignore)
- Use nothing but common sense...
Cesar Hernandez:
- No firearm usage against unarmed running suspect; run after him instead. You may only open fire once he gets in a car.
FlameMan:
- No firearm usage on running suspect. You may only open fire if he doesn't respond to your "Surrender" calls.
Corey Alterlis:
- No drive-bying against evading suspect. You may only drive-by when the offender has committed a serious offence (murder, rape, kidnap).
Thomas_C:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car. You may only drive-by when the evaders open fire from their vehicle.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
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rape
Since when is rape a serious offense?
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rape
Since when is rape a serious offense?
Well... It IS a serious offence, but we make exceptions for you. Just remember, no more than 4 rapes a week!
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I could list all of my arguements against the above. (I have listed some points which were ignored anyway). But I do not want to offend other's intelligence by doing so.
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I could list all of my arguements against the above. (I have listed some points which were ignored anyway). But I do not want to offend other's intelligence by doing so.
Common sense does not work on Argonath, dear Jcstodds :)
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Common sense does not work on Argonath, dear Jcstodds :)
True, i see cops jailing for 180 seconds because the criminal pee'd on public :eek:
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I still stand by the no drive-by thing and the use issued weapons thing too (unless there is some serious organized crime going down, like a kidnap)...
But I think people should be able to use their own cars (like a black premier or buffalo) but no pink infernuses, sandkings or dumpers... Like... You would have to go through some kind of examination of your car before you can use it on duty... Apply... No, f**k it, I don't even know. I just don't like the pink infernuses or the NRGs. Dot.
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I could list all of my arguements against the above. (I have listed some points which were ignored anyway). But I do not want to offend other's intelligence by doing so.
Common sense does not work on Argonath, dear Jcstodds :)
Well I get by somehow. Of course not all possess this almighty power :D
However I at least expect all SAPD Officers to have some, and so I thought by saying this it would be relevant and understood. :redface:
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What is this common sense you talking about?
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What is this common sense you talking about?
It's like magic. But also, doing the obvious thing for sensible reasons.
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What is this common sense you talking about?
Common sense is not so common my friend. (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/Smileys/default/old.gif)
Also it is the duty of the wise to point out once more the obvious to the people.
Seeing as you all have so many ideas ( :devroll:) I'd appreciate if someone could make a list of all the ones you people have suggested, and make a post if you have a suggestion of something you'd like to see. (Of course, not one that someone already posted pwease)
I hope this helps;
Suggested so far:
Alan Demarest:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
Tiderman:
- No drive-bying as a cop (None at all).
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No other weapons used on duty than standard issued (Desert eagle, batton, pepperspray, shotgun. NO SMG!)
JcsTodds: (feel free to ignore)
- Use nothing but common sense...
Cesar Hernandez:
- No firearm usage against unarmed running suspect; run after him instead. You may only open fire once he gets in a car.
FlameMan:
- No firearm usage on running suspect. You may only open fire if he doesn't respond to your "Surrender" calls.
Corey Alterlis:
- No drive-bying against evading suspect. You may only drive-by when the offender has committed a serious offence (murder, rape, kidnap).
Thomas_C:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car. You may only drive-by when the evaders open fire from their vehicle.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
I agree with the usage of heavy firearms only on similarly armed targets. And the drive-by on faster vehicles only policy.
As for the ''Don't shoot running suspects, only chase them. Open fire if they get in a vehicle'' policy. It's their prerogative, when we shout ''STOP OR WE WILL USE FORCE'' they should know by know that they're gonna be shot at. It's their funeral. I've had a few experiences like this as a criminal, I don't moan much. [Well, except when they repeatedly shoot me, while standing, and unarmed.......]
Like all things, even the best laid rules/ plans will go awry. That's the human factor for you. For me, if you want to implement rules that'll improve our RP, best make sure all of the people under your command WILL follow it lest your planning will go to waste.
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I still follow those old rules, increases RP a lot and is more of a challenge ;)
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Common sense is something you think is right or wrong. If you cannot use it, you need help big time.
-If you're in a high speed pursuit, and you notice your vehicle is taking quite alot of damage, SLOW THE f**k DOWN! Don't keep speeding and obliterate your vehicle and hope someone will pick you up.
-If you see a group of suspected people and you're alone, don't be Rambo. Call for help.
-If you're getting into a heated argument, and someone important notices you, you'd better shut your yap before they make you.
-If you're getting intimate with a prostitute, wear a condom.
How you think there's so many rules nowadays? People are not using common sense!
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I'd like to add something;
- No suspecting for speeding. Pull them over instead. If they evade; suspect for evading, rather than for speeding.
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Seeing as you all have so many ideas ( :devroll:) I'd appreciate if someone could make a list of all the ones you people have suggested, and make a post if you have a suggestion of something you'd like to see. (Of course, not one that someone already posted pwease)
I hope this helps;
Suggested so far:
Alan Demarest:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
Tiderman:
- No drive-bying as a cop (None at all).
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No other weapons used on duty than standard issued (Desert eagle, batton, pepperspray, shotgun. NO SMG!)
JcsTodds: (feel free to ignore)
- Use nothing but common sense...
Cesar Hernandez:
- No firearm usage against unarmed running suspect; run after him instead. You may only open fire once he gets in a car.
FlameMan:
- No firearm usage on running suspect. You may only open fire if he doesn't respond to your "Surrender" calls.
Corey Alterlis:
- No drive-bying against evading suspect. You may only drive-by when the offender has committed a serious offence (murder, rape, kidnap).
Thomas_C:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car. You may only drive-by when the evaders open fire from their vehicle.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
Severus_Fawkes
- Cops are NOT allowed to buy ANYTHING other than the weaponry they already are issued when they go on duty such as; SMG, Deagle, Pepper spray. This would increase the need for other Law enforcement groups/sub groups. Such as for FBI and SWAT, this may also help decrease the amount of abuse with weaponry, such as killing still standing suspects etc. (So such as using M4 to kill a still standing suspect, which is 20-30 ft away). Using nothing but the weaponry you're issued on duty, with ability to buy MORE ammo for the weapons you're issued on duty, such as deagle, SMG. Command staff, FBI and SWAT would still have the power obviously, to equipt. This would increase the need for normal units to call back up for either of these groups to assist them with heavier weaponry, and in some situations, even issue armour. I would though, suggest letting cops buy armour. Since it costs 2,000 dollars, and it won't be used THAT frequently, Since it can be lowered easily.
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Cesars one.. No.
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Big problem with all of this, and it will be rather clear
If we have RULES they then get used AGAINST US.
... and this used to happen lots before I removed some rules, and still happens...
We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
Criminals use them rules to put us in situations to BREAK them, THEN the criminals bad girl and moan cos we broke our sacred rules..
Who wins... well its NOT SAPD or ARPD...
I am totally AGAINST rules, I dont mind guidelines, but these are GUIDELINES and are NOT strict, and thus criminals cannot use them against us so much.
Those of you who are both cops and criminals will know EXACTLY what I am talking about...
An example...
Hydra advised not to be used against persons on foot... so criminal who is in air hears someone state a hydra is airbourne, rather qucikly heads to ground knowing that the hydra should not shoot at them... (if facing me too late I treat if you been in air even if you now on foot your fair game!!!)
This one is not even a rule but criminals treat it as such and it leads to bad girling,
Criminals learn very very very well how to use our rules against us, so how about we COPS learn to use more common sense rather than having to have many many rules with LOTS of exceptions so we can do our job under the rather large number of various circumstances.
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I agree what CBF Said.
just to add something, when you are on SAPD duty, you must remember you are a police officer, not SWAT, FBI, CIA, US army, Opfor,Soap Mctavish,
John Wayne, etc.
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CIA, US army, Opfor,Soap Mctavish,
John Wayne, etc.
lol
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Big problem with all of this, and it will be rather clear
If we have RULES they then get used AGAINST US.
... and this used to happen lots before I removed some rules, and still happens...
We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
Criminals use them rules to put us in situations to BREAK them, THEN the criminals bad girl and moan cos we broke our sacred rules..
Who wins... well its NOT SAPD or ARPD...
I am totally AGAINST rules, I dont mind guidelines, but these are GUIDELINES and are NOT strict, and thus criminals cannot use them against us so much.
Those of you who are both cops and criminals will know EXACTLY what I am talking about...
An example...
Hydra advised not to be used against persons on foot... so criminal who is in air hears someone state a hydra is airbourne, rather qucikly heads to ground knowing that the hydra should not shoot at them... (if facing me too late I treat if you been in air even if you now on foot your fair game!!!)
This one is not even a rule but criminals treat it as such and it leads to bad girling,
Criminals learn very very very well how to use our rules against us, so how about we COPS learn to use more common sense rather than having to have many many rules with LOTS of exceptions so we can do our job under the rather large number of various circumstances.
If the criminals would report us, the "bad" cops would be removed. This leaves a more "elite" SAPD. The SAPD you really want to join!
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There's always a loop hole for everything. These rules would be posted on the SAPD briefing center board, viewable by officers and above only. ;)
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There's always a loop hole for everything. These rules would be posted on the SAPD briefing center board, viewable by officers and above only. ;)
They will discover anyways.
Officers can leave SAPD and join a criminal faction.
so, they can moan about rules, that they read when they used to be officers.
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JcsTodds: (feel free to ignore)
- Use nothing but common sense...
... we need cops who think sensibly..
... so how about we COPS learn to use more common sense rather than having to have many many rules with LOTS of exceptions
Feel free to use common sense and not ignore my advice :cop:
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I agree what CBF Said.
just to add something, when you are on SAPD duty, you must remember you are a police officer, not SWAT, FBI, CIA, US army, Opfor,Soap Mctavish,
John Wayne, etc.
dude i'm john wayne
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I agree what CBF Said.
just to add something, when you are on SAPD duty, you must remember you are a police officer, not SWAT, FBI, CIA, US army, Opfor,Soap Mctavish,
John Wayne, etc.
dude i'm john wayne
Is that you, John Wayne?
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dude i'm john wayne
Is that you, John Wayne?
yes, now get me some towels, i'm freezing.
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There's always a loop hole for everything. These rules would be posted on the SAPD briefing center board, viewable by officers and above only. ;)
So you have rules, and only fellow officers know them as well. This doesn't make sense.. How is anyone going to get punished then? The only reason they'd be reported is because you want to screw a fellow officers; biased reports.
Even in this case "COMMON SENSE" goes perfectly :)
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There's always a loop hole for everything. These rules would be posted on the SAPD briefing center board, viewable by officers and above only. ;)
So you have rules, and only fellow officers know them as well. This doesn't make sense.. How is anyone going to get punished then? The only reason they'd be reported is because you want to screw a fellow officers; biased reports.
Even in this case "COMMON SENSE" goes perfectly :)
Arguable point there, but it'd be clear if the cop was doing something wrong.
Look now, we receive reports on officers without their being a strict set of guidelines as to what to do, what not to do, etc... seeing as everything is topsy turvsy with how we are supposed to work and what is considered to be law by the court. If an officer is doing something wrong to a civilian they will know, if they choose to report them they may do so. Higher authority will look over the report, the guidelines, and see if the officer was right or wrong.
Common sense. :)
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I'd like to hear people's opinions on this matter, in the old days there were rules that balanced out the play with Cops and Suspects.
Here are two of those -I- personaly would like to see come back:
1. No drive-by allowed on suspects car unless it's faster than what you are driving.
-Will force officers to actualy learn how to drive properly..
2. No heavy weapons usage on unarmed/lightly armed suspects.
-More fair play for suspects
We're all here to have fun, just as the criminals are.
Opinions?
Absolutely agreed.
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Big problem with all of this, and it will be rather clear
If we have RULES they then get used AGAINST US.
... and this used to happen lots before I removed some rules, and still happens...
We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
Criminals use them rules to put us in situations to BREAK them, THEN the criminals bad girl and moan cos we broke our sacred rules..
Who wins... well its NOT SAPD or ARPD...
I am totally AGAINST rules, I dont mind guidelines, but these are GUIDELINES and are NOT strict, and thus criminals cannot use them against us so much.
Those of you who are both cops and criminals will know EXACTLY what I am talking about...
Then it's a bloody challenge for us officers, if someone fails and breaks the rules it's their own fault. Call it weeding out the weak.
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We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
I'm not saying we need the rule but if we don't want anyone shooting at unarmed criminals then we do need it. Because that is how many players are; no rules? Full throttle.
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We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
I'm not saying we need the rule but if we don't want anyone shooting at unarmed criminals then we do need it. Because that is how many players are; no rules? Full throttle.
ban ban ban kick kick warn warn copban copban
this looks more like the cancelsuspect command, instead of punishing single individuals for the abuse they moved it to a new level, do you want to do the same with the police? like punishing everyone for minorities?
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JcsTodds: (feel free to ignore)
- Use nothing but common sense...
... we need cops who think sensibly..
... so how about we COPS learn to use more common sense rather than having to have many many rules with LOTS of exceptions
Feel free to use common sense and not ignore my advice :cop:
This would have been the most effective rule in the whole of ARPD. If only people would learn to actually think. I recently had to rewrite a ticket for a suspect who got was asked to pay 200 Argobucks for simply stopping on the middle of a road just to talk to someone on the phone, for a space a couple of seconds -.-' . Then the Officer who wrote that ticket chased me and my partner, held me at gunpoint and demanded why I did it. [I re-wrote the ticket to 80, received the money and gave it to said Officer. Ask StatuZ.]
For me, in any institution, it's not the rules that are wrong, it's the people. Want to fix ARPD's problems, weed out the idiots first. [If you actually go with this idea, count me in. I must have blood...]
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We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
I'm not saying we need the rule but if we don't want anyone shooting at unarmed criminals then we do need it. Because that is how many players are; no rules? Full throttle.
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this looks more like the cancelsuspect command, instead of punishing single individuals for the abuse they moved it to a new level, do you want to do the same with the police? like punishing everyone for minorities?
I don't really see what you're saying here but yeah... What?
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Let me just say this, Stopping Progress is never a good idea.
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How about: Max ticket price: $100 for ARPD
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How about: Max ticket price: $100 for ARPD
Hmmm... How about 600?
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Let me just say this, Stopping Progress is never a good idea.
Please explain the comment and its relationship to this topic
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How about: Max ticket price: $100 for ARPD
Hmmm... How about 600?
Why $600? that sounds a bit moneyhungry.
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Ticket prices do not need to be changed.. Hank did a fine job making them :D
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Usually if crime is so minor it deserves a ticket I give them a warning. I only suggest to other cops to give tickets to settle disputes about who was right/ wrong (since usually I get cops and criminals who are both right) as tickets are a minor charge.
Can't even remember the last time I gave a normal ticket, but I do remember acquiring $2000 for a ticket I gave to a murderer though. But that was because I was being lazy and couldn't be bothered to question them.
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Big problem with all of this, and it will be rather clear
If we have RULES they then get used AGAINST US.
... and this used to happen lots before I removed some rules, and still happens...
We do not need rules to say do not shoot at unarmed, we need cops who think sensibly.. its the CRIMINALS that want this rule in....
Criminals use them rules to put us in situations to BREAK them, THEN the criminals bad girl and moan cos we broke our sacred rules..
Who wins... well its NOT SAPD or ARPD...
I am totally AGAINST rules, I dont mind guidelines, but these are GUIDELINES and are NOT strict, and thus criminals cannot use them against us so much.
Those of you who are both cops and criminals will know EXACTLY what I am talking about...
An example...
Hydra advised not to be used against persons on foot... so criminal who is in air hears someone state a hydra is airbourne, rather qucikly heads to ground knowing that the hydra should not shoot at them... (if facing me too late I treat if you been in air even if you now on foot your fair game!!!)
This one is not even a rule but criminals treat it as such and it leads to bad girling,
Criminals learn very very very well how to use our rules against us, so how about we COPS learn to use more common sense rather than having to have many many rules with LOTS of exceptions so we can do our job under the rather large number of various circumstances.
cb look at upper board for response!
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Seeing as you all have so many ideas ( :devroll:) I'd appreciate if someone could make a list of all the ones you people have suggested, and make a post if you have a suggestion of something you'd like to see. (Of course, not one that someone already posted pwease)
I hope this helps;
Suggested so far:
Alan Demarest:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
Tiderman:
- No drive-bying as a cop (None at all).
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No other weapons used on duty than standard issued (Desert eagle, batton, pepperspray, shotgun. NO SMG!)
JcsTodds: (feel free to ignore)
- Use nothing but common sense...
Cesar Hernandez:
- No firearm usage against unarmed running suspect; run after him instead. You may only open fire once he gets in a car.
FlameMan:
- No firearm usage on running suspect. You may only open fire if he doesn't respond to your "Surrender" calls.
Corey Alterlis:
- No drive-bying against evading suspect. You may only drive-by when the offender has committed a serious offence (murder, rape, kidnap).
Thomas_C:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car. You may only drive-by when the evaders open fire from their vehicle.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
Severus_Fawkes
- Cops are NOT allowed to buy ANYTHING other than the weaponry they already are issued when they go on duty such as; SMG, Deagle, Pepper spray. This would increase the need for other Law enforcement groups/sub groups. Such as for FBI and SWAT, this may also help decrease the amount of abuse with weaponry, such as killing still standing suspects etc. (So such as using M4 to kill a still standing suspect, which is 20-30 ft away). Using nothing but the weaponry you're issued on duty, with ability to buy MORE ammo for the weapons you're issued on duty, such as deagle, SMG. Command staff, FBI and SWAT would still have the power obviously, to equipt. This would increase the need for normal units to call back up for either of these groups to assist them with heavier weaponry, and in some situations, even issue armour. I would though, suggest letting cops buy armour. Since it costs 2,000 dollars, and it won't be used THAT frequently, Since it can be lowered easily.
Bumped for my reference, please update list if needed and repost. :)
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Let me just say this, Stopping Progress is never a good idea.
Please explain the comment and its relationship to this topic
Basically we have progressed to the rules that we have today. I am saying that if we reverted back to the old rules Progress would be stopped and reverted. So therefore "Progression is the means to the future, Reversion is the way to the past"
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No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
So I am in a police car, they is in a slower Roadtrain... I know who will win... and its not me if I am not allowed to shoot them, cos in ramming I will loose..
COMMON SENSE says disable the vehicle... I do not care if its faster or SLOWER, while they are in a vehicle they can go further and even possibly escape through return damage to the police chase vehicles.
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So I am in a police car, they is in a slower Roadtrain... I know who will win... and its not me if I am not allowed to shoot them, cos in ramming I will loose..
Pit the roadtrain with a lagram, step out of your vehicle and open fire with a deagle/smg.
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Updated!
Suggested so far:
Alan Demarest:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
Tiderman:
- No drive-bying as a cop (None at all).
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No other weapons used on duty than standard issued (Desert eagle, batton, pepperspray, shotgun. NO SMG!)
JcsTodds:
- Use nothing but common sense...
Cesar Hernandez:
- No firearm usage against unarmed running suspect; run after him instead. You may only open fire once he gets in a car.
FlameMan:
- No firearm usage on running suspect. You may only open fire if he doesn't respond to your "Surrender" calls.
Corey Alterlis:
- No drive-bying against evading suspect. You may only drive-by when the offender has committed a serious offence (murder, rape, kidnap).
Thomas_C:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car. You may only drive-by when the evaders open fire from their vehicle.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No suspecting for speeding (or equal offence; ie. reckless driving). Pull them over instead. If they evade; suspect for evading, rather than for speeding.
Severus_Fawkes:
- Disallow officers to buy weapons (on duty), to increase the need for heavily armed units (SWAT).
So I am in a police car, they is in a slower Roadtrain... I know who will win... and its not me if I am not allowed to shoot them, cos in ramming I will loose..
Pit the roadtrain with a lagram, step out of your vehicle and open fire with a deagle/smg.
This. You as a chief should know :)
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No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
So I am in a police car, they is in a slower Roadtrain... I know who will win... and its not me if I am not allowed to shoot them, cos in ramming I will loose..
COMMON SENSE says disable the vehicle... I do not care if its faster or SLOWER, while they are in a vehicle they can go further and even possibly escape through return damage to the police chase vehicles.
What if the roadtrain has a tanker trailer hooked up?
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btw
No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
So I am in a police car, they is in a slower Roadtrain... I know who will win... and its not me if I am not allowed to shoot them, cos in ramming I will loose..
COMMON SENSE says disable the vehicle... I do not care if its faster or SLOWER, while they are in a vehicle they can go further and even possibly escape through return damage to the police chase vehicles.
What if the roadtrain has a tanker trailer hooked up?
Shoot and watch the fireworks.
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btw SRU do NOT count as a heavy armed unit...
We can only consider SWAT as they are offical where as SRU is not.
As it is I shall see what government thinks...
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First of all let me explain the reason behind the forming of SAPD and why we once decided to use colour coding.
When we were creating the SA:MP RS3 script the SAPD was often criticized for their behaviour. The higher officers told that this was due to new players creating a negative image. This led to the introduction of the darker colour, which was strongly opposed by Aragorn.
After some time the term "freecop" became a popular insult. We decided to check the situation on server undercover and noted that apart from a very small percentage the freecops were actually performing better in roleplay as regular officers, who felt themselves too high to cooperate, share or train. Also the freecops took a lot of heat from players who just denied any interaction with other than darker coloured cops.
This led to removing the colour coding and creating more equality.
SAPD has been formed to provide its units with a higher level of training and cooperation, leading to better skills and a higher level of play. New arrivals should be willing to join SAPD training based on what they see from them as example, and follow these examples.
As CBFASI has pointed out everything which is set as rule or even guideline will be used against you by other players. There for be careful what you wish for, and also accept that ONLY trained SAPD officers will be obliged to follow guidelines.
My take on using the suggested guidelines:
Updated!
Suggested so far:
Alan Demarest:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
Limiting drive-by to situations where it is the only option to stop the suspects is something I am not against.
Note how I write it, this includes the common sense.
No heavy weapons against lightly armed suspects would be a matter of individual conduct. Should an officer lose his life because he is not allowed to use the heavy weapon he has ?
Tiderman:
- No drive-bying as a cop (None at all).
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No other weapons used on duty than standard issued (Desert eagle, batton, pepperspray, shotgun. NO SMG!)
No drive-by as cop would indeed be a return to the rule SAPD had set at the beginning. It would also need SAPD to cooperate in suc situations.
No patrolling in civilian vehicles is something that is taken from 'realistic' ideas, yet every police force in the world patrols in unmarked civilian cars.
No other weapons used as the standard issued, would mean massive loss of life and make the no return after death discussion a new spear point for criminals.
JcsTodds:
- Use nothing but common sense...
A good suggestion if it were not that I am lacking the confidence that all player possess this.
Cesar Hernandez:
- No firearm usage against unarmed running suspect; run after him instead. You may only open fire once he gets in a car.
As long as a suspect does not attack you, I see no reason to attack them other than to stop them. However if the suspect heads for the only car in sight, I see no objection in using firearms.
FlameMan:
- No firearm usage on running suspect. You may only open fire if he doesn't respond to your "Surrender" calls.
I wonder why this is seen as a 'removed' rule ?
Corey Alterlis:
- No drive-bying against evading suspect. You may only drive-by when the offender has committed a serious offence (murder, rape, kidnap).
The problem lies in enforcing this. From the side of admins, by the time they check the crime the drive-by situation can be over. Would lead to complaints on reports not being handled.
Thomas_C:
- No drive-bying on suspect's vehicle, unless it's faster than the Police Car. You may only drive-by when the evaders open fire from their vehicle.
- No heavy weapons against unarmed/lightly armed (handguns, melee weapons) suspects.
- No patrolling in civilian vehicles on duty.
- No suspecting for speeding (or equal offence; ie. reckless driving). Pull them over instead. If they evade; suspect for evading, rather than for speeding.
As for the first three, see my earlier comments.
Regarding suspecting, see my closing idea.
Severus_Fawkes:
- Disallow officers to buy weapons (on duty), to increase the need for heavily armed units (SWAT).
First of all this would need a constant presence of heavy armed units 24/7. Next it would lead to officers stocking up on their issued weapons instead of buying.
My suggestion:
The current practice of suspecting a player only to get a ticket paid is something that I object to.
This has several reasons.
First of all by suspecting you give the player the right to draw weapons and attack cops. This means a simple speeding or parking violation can be used to create a shootout.
Second admins and high level cops have to cancelsuspect the player after paying the ticket. This leads not only to complaints if they are busy, but also interrupts the RP itself.
Finally when held against standard practices, a ticket should be the way not to get suspected, not a way to removed the suspect.
I would like to suggest a rule where removing a suspect after payment would be disallowed.
These are just my thoughts and in no way an approval or final say on the matter.
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Finally when held against standard practices, a ticket should be the way not to get suspected, not a way to removed the suspect.
I would like to suggest a rule where removing a suspect after payment would be disallowed.
I think /suspect is used overused for such minor crimes that a ticket is usually the right level of punishment and I think this is the majority of the scenarios. I don't think I have ever seen players paying tickets for murder, evasion and other high level crimes so that they can have /su removed (under certain circumstances I have rarely done this myself). Also, a ticket can be used as a compromise to cop and criminal arguments where both parties think they are right and just (and have both done something wrong).
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First of all thank you for the response Gandalf, in response to these rules being used against us, as many have said, there is an easy (at least in my opinion) way to get around this.
All rules/guidelines that SAPD officers and above would have to follow would be posted on the SAPD briefing center, which is accessible only to officers and above... this meaning that the "can be used against us" would be narrowed down to only those who can see the board, meaning our own guys. If one of our guys are reporting another, then it has to be pretty serious.. and I highly doubt (even though it is possible) that they would use the rules against us.
Second of all, we already receive many reports on our officers without a full set of these rules in place.. so the thought of ridiculous reports increasing is at minimal.. seeing as we already have quite a few.
This is the basic format that would be followed should one of our officers or above be reported:
Reporter makes a report on one of our members, I see it as "If they've done something that wrong then they will be reported regardless of whether or not the reporter can see any rules or extra guidelines; see the amount of reports we get already".
The people investigating the report (Lieutenants, Captains, Deputy Chief, Chiefs) can use the guidelines as a reference. They look over the report and the guidelines, and if they're breaking protocol then it will be taken into consideration into the report, and action against the officer will follow.