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Title: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on August 26, 2010, 06:44:00 am
ALWAYS take cover. Do NOT advance when you're clearly outgunned.

Myself and Kenny went on a two-hour long killing spree this morning, we killed about 8 cops and 9 FBI agents (Jose and Lenny kept returning after death) simply because they used little to no tactics.
It started off with Kenny and myself driving around Los Santos when we got the FBI on our tail - we took their cars out at first, then made a simple two-man roadblock and completely obliterated them (they had full armour and M4s/combats/snipers, we had armour and SMGs) with losing very little armour simply because they didn't even try to look for cover/stay alive. After killing them we go them on our tail yet again - we led them to the parking lot near the strip again again, obliterated them using a simple two-man defensive position. This time we lost NO armour and got called hackers by Jose and Lenny. After that we headed over to the SWAT training facility for yet another stand-off (this time only Jose and a cop called [ACSD]Bobby something returned after death) and again, killed them. We filled our health and armour up and headed to the second LV parking lot. This time loads of SAPD responded, killed Kenny and seriously maimed me - they used TACTICS and STAYED IN COVER. Result - Seriously injuring the criminals. I ended up surrendering after a brief chase through Bone County.

Many cops returned after death, though (Lennie, Jose, Bobby, Rabbit and two more guys) and that completely pissed me off. Of course, the FBI kept equipping themselves armour and M4, just charging back into the situation after death.
Right now all I saw was cops abusing the 'allowed to return after death' rule because MOST of them paid ABSOLUTELY NO ATTENTION to their health or if they died or not. I honestly believe it should be REMOVED once again since cops don't even CARE if they live or die. This is a bloody roleplay server, not a cops and robbers server.

Staying alive should be more important than killing/capturing a criminal.

P.S. This is not a moan, I had a lot of fun during all that and actually enjoyed myself.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Kenny on August 26, 2010, 07:59:16 am
Fun 2 hours

A simple tactic SRU uses which is to always take cover and work as a team could have saved your lifes and you wouldnt have died over 8 times returning with full armour and weapons. I would have though a freecop would know to take cover in those kind of situations

FBI Did it once occur to you guys to take cover instead of standing in the middle of the road shooting like you were immune to bullets? especially shooting at guys who are behind cover.

Although SAPD managed to kill me after atleast 8/9 attempts it was still disgracefull because [ACSD]Bobby it seemed like you didnt care to die, all you wanted was to shoot at us till we died...what happened to staying alive?? Dont be afraid to retreat especially if you are over powered.

Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Syn on August 26, 2010, 13:59:16 pm
Who Cares?
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Leroy Hudson on August 26, 2010, 14:20:10 pm
Who Cares?

No offence, but people who post responses like these, are usually the ones who just jump out in the middle of the road while shooting, If you read deeper, They were giving you (Not just you), Some advice.. Take it sometime.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Syn on August 26, 2010, 14:28:39 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Leroy Hudson on August 26, 2010, 14:40:40 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.

Your opinion, is your opinion, No one is forcing you here. They are just giving you a suggestion, which would, give you more fun, The officer & Suspect which are engaging in combat, would both enjoy themselves, if you used tactics & Covering..
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on August 26, 2010, 15:11:27 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.

We play to have fun too, but we also play to -ROLEPLAY-. Last time I read the name it was Argonath ROLEPLAY not Argonath FUNSERVER.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Syn on August 26, 2010, 15:16:56 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.

We play to have fun too, but we also play to -ROLEPLAY-. Last time I read the name it was Argonath ROLEPLAY not Argonath FUNSERVER.

That is ok. Fair Enough. I Respect that. I admit my first reply was abit dickheaded of me.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Durfa on August 26, 2010, 17:51:25 pm
Hi my name is Jose,

I was there when you had this killing spree, and i don't appreciate how you mentioned us in your story. You didn't kill us 9 times, i would appreciate if you would change this.

Also, we do use tactics and obviously this night it wasn't showing. Please don't let the way we acted represent the FBI as a whole, because honestly we train quite a lot.

And we didn't abuse, and i my self can say i do care about my life. I too had fun and i give you two credits for your marksmanship skills are quite good.


Thanks,
Jose
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 26, 2010, 18:25:05 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.

We play to have fun too, but we also play to -ROLEPLAY-. Last time I read the name it was Argonath ROLEPLAY not Argonath FUNSERVER.

you say your here to RP yet you just said you went on a 2 hour long killing spree.... not much RP there....
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Chase on August 26, 2010, 18:50:25 pm
I agree that everyone should use the benefit of cover and military grade tactics... But you could have said it in a nicer way than smearing shit on FBI name.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: smey on August 26, 2010, 19:03:18 pm
Sounds like you had fun Oliver :D
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on August 26, 2010, 19:37:43 pm
I was there when you had this killing spree, and i don't appreciate how you mentioned us in your story. You didn't kill us 9 times, i would appreciate if you would change this.

Lennie two times, you four times - my bad, six instead of nine. (but we took your armour and health down without killing you one time and we took Lennie's car down two times, that's where the nine came from)

I agree that everyone should use the benefit of cover and military grade tactics... But you could have said it in a nicer way than smearing shit on FBI name.

To be completely honest that's all we saw since they were using /weaponequip, FBI skins and FBI vehicles.

you say your here to RP yet you just said you went on a 2 hour long killing spree.... not much RP there....

Yet the cops came after us, not the other way around. We roleplayed the shootouts, caring for our lives so just sod off.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Cane on August 27, 2010, 01:14:25 am
you say your here to RP yet you just said you went on a 2 hour long killing spree.... not much RP there....

Serial killers. Ever heard of those lunatics? Yeah, the world has them.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Squeak on August 27, 2010, 06:15:50 am
Been there, done that. over 9000 times
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Sago on August 27, 2010, 08:02:47 am
Myself and Kenny went on a two-hour long killing spree this morning.

Sounded like you guys had a lot of fun!

From Banland,

Kirby
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Kenny on August 28, 2010, 06:21:58 am
Who Cares?

Grown man, this is not daycare
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Wayne on August 28, 2010, 06:35:16 am
I belive cops on argonath are not suposed to be professional, this is directed for those who actually don't sit all day in computer.

Nor do i enforce professionalism on my duties, I use my skills and common sense instead.



There are another ways to improve SAPD, instead of killing whole cops and smashing your hands into their face to stamp "INCOMPETENCE" in their heads, how about start a project together with SAPD, in a way that involves whole SAPD, including cadets and chiefs?

it is easier kill cops, huh? :D By the way, fun is suposed to be the priority one on Argonath, nothing (except rules) stops you from having it. Good work.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Syn on August 29, 2010, 03:23:12 am

Grown man, this is not daycare

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You could of fooled me.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on August 29, 2010, 06:32:17 am

There are another ways to improve SAPD, instead of killing whole cops and smashing your hands into their face to stamp "INCOMPETENCE" in their heads, how about start a project together with SAPD, in a way that involves whole SAPD, including cadets and chiefs?


You know, SWAT has been giving some trainings with regards to tactics in combat situations.

Two examples I can mention:

Jay_Adams (before he resigned) gave some of us some training in CQB (Inside a building). He used the SWAT killhouse in LV as a venue. Each Trainee was given full armor, 60 SMG rounds; if you were to run out of armor you had to leave the killhouse. It was SWAT vs Trainees with SWAT posing as suspects and the trainees as the Police. First team to knock out all units of the other team wins. Let's just say it was fun.

More recently, Leroy gave a few of us some training as well. This time, we used the SWAT arena. The terrain was the opposite of the example above, wide forest with lots of cover (Think the RC arena in SP). Perfect for teaching wide area combat. This time, we were given 300 SMG rounds and same amount of armor and the same rules applied. We were divided into two teams, both ARPD. Again, it was a helluva lot of fun.

We should really have more trainings on this thing. If SWAT or ARPD decides to give us more training then +1 from me. Again, tactics + cover not only increase chances of survival. It makes shootouts more RP-like. Honestly, I think firefights should happen this way.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on August 29, 2010, 07:15:00 am
how about start a project together with SAPD, in a way that involves whole SAPD, including cadets and chiefs?

And where would you conjure up the interest in that sort of project?
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: [Rstar]Vince on August 29, 2010, 07:30:12 am
Let me get one thing straight... SAPD is an elite team apart of the ARPD. We are a professional group that gets the job done and also has time to relax and lay back every once and a while for a good laugh.. No, we are not here to write up daily reports everyday and no, we are not here to force you to do this that and the other thing 24/7 or you will be fired.. but yes, we are here to act professional and as a family. That means we do not argue with one and other as some have in this topic.

If you are here in this topic thinking "hurr durr i am a officer/senior officer/sergeant/WHATEVER and dont give a shit and just go out there and act like a tard in shootouts and will blatantly ignore this topic or say I DONT HAVE TO" - you're wrong, and you can start writing up your resignation letter now before you are fired... there are freecops on the server for a reason, and we are here to show a positive example, not to act like lazy shits...

If I have to I will start to clean up the lazy shits in this PD myself if this is how some of you treat a word of friendly advice... warning to all.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on August 29, 2010, 10:03:57 am
how about start a project together with SAPD, in a way that involves whole SAPD, including cadets and chiefs?

And where would you conjure up the interest in that sort of project?

Good point. As it stands, the most commonly used tactic is DM style rambo-ing. Both Cops and Suspects use it because for them, it's effective. We need to give them a reason to start learning how to fight using cover, tactics, etc.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Jcstodds on August 29, 2010, 12:56:13 pm
  Oliver does have a valid point here, and it is one of the reasons I believe SAPD should positively enforce a no return rule.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Bianconeri on August 29, 2010, 14:24:57 pm
This is just a big mistake of the people that this is directed to!
just rushing in and getting killed!

cops with common sense will take cover and shoot from there,
so why should that cops be punished because some dumb cops do that sort of things?

that rule should not get to work with cops! cops should be able to return after death,
mostly because everyone is too lazy to respond and also because normally cops would have much more units on it then is possible,
as back up will come, coming back after death is that back up.

1 thing to stop that partly would be to work together more

Also criminals like to use lame weapons, deathmatching, cop hunting and other of that tactics that it is needed to return sometimes
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Husky on August 29, 2010, 15:22:10 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.
usually people like you the one jumping in the middle of a shootout get killed by own police mates becouse of the cross fire and then start "moaning" in the chat on how people shoot and/or call criminals and/or cops DMrs, we know the drill mr "Im here to have fun", please have fun using common sense.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Wayne on August 29, 2010, 15:47:10 pm
please have fun using common sense.
common sense is different from being killed by thousands of criminals.

It is like: Low health? get away from the suspect and heal yourself.

3 armed suspects? take a nice cover and keep falling back, then call for backup.

a suspect is running? go after him also!

Also criminals like to use lame weapons, deathmatching, cop hunting and other of that tactics that it is needed to return sometimes
Well.. those "Lame" weapons are used by freecops and cops also.
In my honest opinion, they are not lame, they just have a weak point, each gun.
If you find out, won't be a problem.

ex. Combat shotguns can paralyze you from short distance and does alot of damage
solution: stay in mid distance, shotguns are weak in mid to long distance, deagle still does good damage on mid damage. near of the cops, if they rush in, he will be shot down by nearby cops  :v:
This is my personal conclusion, you can create tactics by your own thoughts and experiences.


As for deathmatching and cophunting 80% of players have a reason for why killing the cop/civil
In the moment you put your sirens on and/or follow the suspect, he has right to shoot back.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: JayL on August 29, 2010, 16:41:46 pm
If we want no return rule we also want SWAT to be available all time, because at first sight of anything regarding reduction in amount of cops criminals will go mayhem. And if we die, byebye.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Kenny on August 29, 2010, 16:57:22 pm
If we want no return rule we also want SWAT to be available all time, because at first sight of anything regarding reduction in amount of cops criminals will go mayhem. And if we die, byebye.

The "no return rule" shouldnt be enforced, but the morale of this topic is that cops abusing their right to return after death which infact threw out the police work out of the window and made cops looks like some thugs who were never trained.

If cops were to have a "no return rule" am sure they will think twice before they do silly shit in the middle of a shootout, so INSTEAD of having a rule restrict us lets use our brains and be more professional in the field
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Husky on August 29, 2010, 17:16:10 pm
please have fun using common sense.
common sense is different from being killed by thousands of criminals.

It is like: Low health? get away from the suspect and heal yourself.

3 armed suspects? take a nice cover and keep falling back, then call for backup.

a suspect is running? go after him also!

If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Boozman on August 29, 2010, 17:40:04 pm
please have fun using common sense.
common sense is different from being killed by thousands of criminals.

It is like: Low health? get away from the suspect and heal yourself.

3 armed suspects? take a nice cover and keep falling back, then call for backup.

a suspect is running? go after him also!

If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...
What do you expect them to do? /me pulls the trigger every time they shoot their gun?
I don't get how you would "Roleplay" a proper shootout. There is no roleplay involved once shots are fired, mainly because no one wants to get killed in the middle of typing something in /L or /me.

Your weapon is permitted to be used any time your life is in danger. Your life is in danger just by walking down the street.
This is the case in real life too, high risk traffic stops, disturbance calls, etc.
The fact of the matter is, sure you could chase after him instead of shooting him to stop him, but when you turn a corner BOOM 7 shells of combat to the face.

Always have your weapon ready, unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no danger. Doesn't mean you have to shoot it, but it does mean that you need to be ready in case you are to be shot at.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Husky on August 29, 2010, 19:02:11 pm
Quote from: Boozman
What do you expect them to do? /me pulls the trigger every time they shoot their gun?
I don't get how you would "Roleplay" a proper shootout. There is no roleplay involved once shots are fired, mainly because no one wants to get killed in the middle of typing something in /L or /me.

Your weapon is permitted to be used any time your life is in danger. Your life is in danger just by walking down the street.
This is the case in real life too, high risk traffic stops, disturbance calls, etc.
The fact of the matter is, sure you could chase after him instead of shooting him to stop him, but when you turn a corner BOOM 7 shells of combat to the face.

Always have your weapon ready, unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no danger. Doesn't mean you have to shoot it, but it does mean that you need to be ready in case you are to be shot at.

Usually when you're in a shoot out you don't feel like Rambo and you dont get out of the cover to run towards the criminal/police officer, usually you move from cover to cover and you don't use your lags to dodge the bullets, i never said that you have to /me pulls out the gun and pulls the trigger becouse thats bullshit, but ofcourse you're always right mr. Right, also i never talked about the guns i was refering to the situations such as: you are behind your car, the suspect surrendered and you head to him aiming, he stays still untill you lower your gun to type anything at that point he draws a weapon and starts to shoot you, you panic and get in cover(usually) or start running around and shoot eachother, if you success to get in cover you start to call back up(usually) and at that point the criminal switches to a combat shotgun and starts going around the car meanwhile you are typing core 30(wich eventually noone is going to answer) and kills you, you get mad and log off the server.

The only negotiation you have with the suspect/officer is /s1 - 2 - 3 or justrandom rp flame i never actually saw negotiating with the suspect neither the suspect cooperating to it, ofcourse if they want rp rmbo vs robocop its fine for me nobody is forcing you to do anything, but atleast if you do don't complain about it, OR find a solution that fits both instead of continuosly whining on eachother w/o ending and solving nothing.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Mac_Cabrazi on August 29, 2010, 19:03:09 pm
I hate the "you are allowed to return rule".  IF we weren't allowed to return I guarantee we would be 10x better shooters.  


Also I consider a roleplay shootout to be a shootout where everyone uses cover and tactics.  No one just bunny hops around with their combat shotgun or whatever gun they use
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Bianconeri on August 29, 2010, 19:14:21 pm
I hate the "you are allowed to return rule".  IF we weren't allowed to return I guarantee we would be 10x better shooters.  


Also I consider a roleplay shootout to be a shootout where everyone uses cover and tactics.  No one just bunny hops around with their combat shotgun or whatever gun they use

I really dont see why that should increase shooting skills? shooting is shooting, if you shoot 10 times with returning or just once.

at your second point i do agree, all criminals just do is rush into you with lame combats/sawn offs and else drive by with smg which kills your car in a few seconds...
they should ban all lame guns(all shotguns) then we would get much better roleplay and shoot outs with just deagle and smg, or in bigger stuff ak47/m4/sniper.

Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Mac_Cabrazi on August 29, 2010, 19:38:51 pm
no they can keep the combat shotguns and all that.  Its just I don't like it when I'm in cover firing behind my car the criminal just hops over to me and tries to kill me.  Luckily when he does that its the biggest mistake he ever makes  :evil: .

Also yes the no return rule can increase your skills.  For example: If you cannot return the cops will be like "Damn I can't return now.  I gotta be more smart on how I fight suspects.  I shouldn't jump and rambo like an idiot I should use cover".  Police will be smarter in using tactics.  It won't increase your shooting skill but your knowledge of tactics will increase.

And mics and tec9s are retarted guns.  If a criminal uses them its so easy to kill them. 
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Husky on August 29, 2010, 20:01:41 pm
no they can keep the combat shotguns and all that.  Its just I don't like it when I'm in cover firing behind my car the criminal just hops over to me and tries to kill me.  Luckily when he does that its the biggest mistake he ever makes  :evil: .

yeah thats annoying =P
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Justin_Hawk on August 29, 2010, 20:41:48 pm
Thx to SRU : their tactics I learned to always take cover and act professional .
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on August 30, 2010, 07:17:26 am
no they can keep the combat shotguns and all that.  Its just I don't like it when I'm in cover firing behind my car the criminal just hops over to me and tries to kill me.  Luckily when he does that its the biggest mistake he ever makes  :evil: .

yeah thats annoying =P

Seconded. Especially when there's two of you and one of him. It's probably one of the most satisfying things to do.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on August 30, 2010, 09:06:55 am
As for deathmatching and cophunting 80% of players have a reason for why killing the cop/civil
In the moment you put your sirens on and/or follow the suspect, he has right to shoot back.

Well, Battle kicked like 5 players at once because they engaged a cop that was following them. They were also threatened by Inkognito who told he'd permban those players if they kept shooting at cops that had shot at them.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on August 30, 2010, 09:09:16 am
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If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...

I think what he meant by that is that if a criminal stays behind cover and doesn't pull stupid shit, it's roleplaying a shootout. Not all roleplay is done by /me or /l
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Husky on August 30, 2010, 10:02:45 am
Quote
If the criminal can't RP a proper shootout it's another discussion...

I think what he meant by that is that if a criminal stays behind cover and doesn't pull stupid shit, it's roleplaying a shootout. Not all roleplay is done by /me or /l

people can pull out shit as much as they want, ofcourse they shouldnt but they can so they usually do but the point is that after that either parts complain, atleast if you puss astupid shit shut the f**k up and don't complain, or "RP" properly, which does NOT mean that you have to /me everything -_-
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: [R*]Drix on August 30, 2010, 10:26:05 am
The thing is they don't fight with they're minds. They go like blind shitheads trying to get 100$
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Gird3r on September 05, 2010, 11:58:11 am
The thing is they don't fight with they're minds. They go like blind shitheads trying to get 100$

Good to know that you are an officer, and that you are whining about us, the freecops.

Oh wait isn't "senior" people supposed to teach? If freecops run into fray like "blind shitheads" then it's you, the seniors who have failed to teach us.

Officer "Shithead".  :app:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: smey on September 05, 2010, 13:10:32 pm
Gird3r, what are you actually doing here besides criticizing everything ARPD does? No-one forces you to play on Argonath SA:MP as cop.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Cane on September 06, 2010, 02:13:32 am
Gird3r, what are you actually doing here besides criticizing everything ARPD does? No-one forces you to play on Argonath SA:MP as cop.

He has a point.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: JDC on September 06, 2010, 05:21:28 am
Gird3r, what are you actually doing here besides criticizing everything ARPD does? No-one forces you to play on Argonath SA:MP as cop.

At least someone has enough courage to point out the rampant problems in AR/SAPD.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Vince_Kaufman on September 06, 2010, 07:02:07 am
I've noticed the same issue where i am taking cover behind a car and the criminal decides "oh im not gonna rp im just gonna f**k this guy's day over and kill him with my badass shotgun." To be honest, when i saw shit like that in GPM people would get kicked for that shit [they're pretty serious over there]. I mean, the best you could do on here is just /report the unRP tactic, but in all honesty it's inevitable unless you are with a good RP'er. If not [which is like 95% of the time i do] you're f**ked.  :lamer:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 06, 2010, 07:10:08 am
I've noticed the same issue where i am taking cover behind a car and the criminal decides "oh im not gonna rp im just gonna f**k this guy's day over and kill him with my badass shotgun."

I've recently done a new tactic. My partners go in, go toe - to - toe DM with DMer with Combat. I hang back with my M4 firing at the fool whenever he fires his combat. So far in DM server it works XD.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Gird3r on September 06, 2010, 11:52:37 am
Gird3r, what are you actually doing here besides criticizing everything ARPD does? No-one forces you to play on Argonath SA:MP as cop.

No, but apprently. Officers got the full right to call freecops "shitheads".
And defending them and pointing out the flaws in his post, is what I did. How did that dude become an officer with his attidude against newer players anyways?

What's next? Freecops are stupid noobs or what, dosen't that kind of attidude go against the very meaning of helping freecops understand anything about working as an cop. Then the guides that are here have no meaning and the freecops will learn nothing when they get called "noob" and "shithead".

An very "good" defend reply from another cop, and to my suprise it's an Lieutenant. Good work defending an officer who apprently got attidude problems against new players/cops.  :app:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Wayne on September 06, 2010, 16:46:17 pm
I'd like to point out few problems and solutions

Problem: Taking Cover/Fleeing
Some officers/freecops doesn't seems to understand what's danger or not, they have a care-free attitude.

Possibly solution
Give priority to "combat training" in academy, force the officers follow it, teach freecops. (In a nicer way, not like: DO IT YOU @!#!#@.)

What's next? Freecops are stupid noobs or what, dosen't that kind of attidude go against the very meaning of helping freecops understand anything about working as an cop. Then the guides that are here have no meaning and the freecops will learn nothing when they get called "noob" and "shithead".
Freecops are newcomers, some of then a potential great cops, Once you filter them, you can use them to be your partner, Or, let them go as "Cannon fodder" in combat.

I have to admit, Drix went a bit too far. Not all freecops have been taught with SWAT tactics and SAPD Training like you Drix.



I'd like to point out another thing..

I was hanging with some criminals, in the "favela" including Kirby and Hellmuth.
I have to admit that cops have a little or no organization in heavy situations.
I presencied myself as Lt, however, i have forgiven it cuz SFPD didn't had many officers.

Last time in the favela, more than 30 officers have been downed, by 4-6 criminals! this is way too much!!
By the way, it was not a interior, it was a open area.

Communication needs a improvement here, Even through they organized themselves a bit, it was still too messed.

No, i'm not saying they should've killed them, but, atleast gave better results.



Also, there's no solution by increasing guns, I belive, the solution is having only Deagle and SMG and pepper, they will become more careful.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Boozman on September 06, 2010, 16:47:45 pm
I'd like to point out few problems and solutions

Problem: Taking Cover/Fleeing
Some officers/freecops doesn't seems to understand what's danger or not, they have a care-free attitude.

Possibly solution
Give priority to "combat training" in academy, force the officers follow it, teach freecops. (In a nicer way, not like: DO IT YOU @!#!#@.)
GOOD IDEA. I know how I will do it too >:]
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 06, 2010, 18:45:41 pm
Also, there's no solution by increasing guns, I believe, the solution is having only D Eagle and SMG and pepper, they will become more careful.

Yes. But then there's still the problem of the suspects, who eschew cover, tactics and RP for Rambo-ing. Not all Cops can go toe - to - toe when it comes to DM. I can't fight a guy in a straight fight, I'd rather hang back with my buddies engaging the suspect while I rip him to pieces from afar with a M4.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Wayne on September 06, 2010, 19:09:50 pm
If a tactic fails, you'll have to use your common sense :)

It is not necessary having M4, Combat, etc... while on duty when you don't have the skills. You will die in the same way ;) (just suposing)
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Andrew_R on September 06, 2010, 19:29:08 pm
If a tactic fails, you'll have to use your common sense :)

It is not necessary having M4, Combat, etc... while on duty when you don't have the skills. You will die in the same way ;) (just suposing)

LoL, That's true.
Today I totaly pwned a suspect that was at Gstar HQ, and I was like 100 meters away, with a deagle ... His health got down to 0.1, before he moved out of sight, but later he got killed.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Kenny on September 06, 2010, 21:22:23 pm
LoL, That's true.
Today I totaly pwned a suspect that was at Gstar HQ, and I was like 100 meters away, with a deagle ... His health got down to 0.1, before he moved out of sight, but later he got killed.

Lol actually it was me and plam who shot him with sniper, you just kept returning after death
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Andrew_R on September 06, 2010, 23:03:26 pm
 :(
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Gird3r on September 07, 2010, 03:41:07 am
Also, there's no solution by increasing guns, I belive, the solution is having only Deagle and SMG and pepper, they will become more careful.

Then I want criminals to use deagle too!  :rofl:

But won't happen as every serious criminal got the handy Combat shotgun. :)

Sure they will be carefull (cops), but really There's not really an solution to giving the criminals the big heavy guns and cops only deagle. (if suspects weren't lagging so incredible bad I would actually support this idea fully out).
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on September 07, 2010, 05:55:20 am
It's cheaper to buy a combat shotgun than SMG
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 07, 2010, 06:49:14 am
Either way, we all have our own ways of fixing things. :D

Besides, M4's a bad girl to have. Just buying the weapon's a heartache.

All I'm sayin' is with what's happening right now, it's turning into a frigging routine and it's exasperating.

My usual routine (These days):

1.) Patrol around with or without buddies.
2.) Respond to massive C30s (Like the recent C30s at El Corona)
3.) Get torn up with combined combat/ D Eagle/ DM Tactics
4.) Respawn
5.) Return to scene
6.) Rinse and repeat till they run outta ammo or health.

I'm probably doing something wrong here :(
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Pazienza on September 07, 2010, 10:13:37 am
Either way, we all have our own ways of fixing things. :D

Besides, M4's a bad girl to have. Just buying the weapon's a heartache.

All I'm sayin' is with what's happening right now, it's turning into a frigging routine and it's exasperating.

My usual routine (These days):

1.) Patrol around with or without buddies.
2.) Respond to massive C30s (Like the recent C30s at El Corona)
3.) Get torn up with combined combat/ D Eagle/ DM Tactics
4.) Respawn
5.) Return to scene
6.) Rinse and repeat till they run outta ammo or health.

I'm probably doing something wrong here :(
Yes you are
If you keep returning alone you won't get anywhere
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Travis Colt on September 07, 2010, 12:13:15 pm
My solution:

Do something unexpected. Figure out what that may be.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 07, 2010, 14:39:47 pm
My solution:

Do something unexpected. Figure out what that may be.

Actually RP shootouts and hope the criminals follow suit?

Dammit, I really gotta stop using D Eagle on a suspect who's trying to punch me to death :/

Either way, we all have our own ways of fixing things. :D

Besides, M4's a bad girl to have. Just buying the weapon's a heartache.

All I'm sayin' is with what's happening right now, it's turning into a frigging routine and it's exasperating.

My usual routine (These days):

1.) Patrol around with or without buddies.
2.) Respond to massive C30s (Like the recent C30s at El Corona)
3.) Get torn up with combined combat/ D Eagle/ DM Tactics
4.) Respawn
5.) Return to scene
6.) Rinse and repeat till they run outta ammo or health.

I'm probably doing something wrong here :(
Yes you are
If you keep returning alone you won't get anywhere

Would calling radio for the Freecops to coordinate help much? Just asking.

Cynical side: It won't work, most of the "Topkops" just go rushing in anyways.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: JayL on September 07, 2010, 15:06:57 pm
Just have a Combat Shotgun or a Sniper and get them from the back while the rest rushes in from the front. :war:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Jcstodds on September 07, 2010, 17:35:58 pm
  Unfortunately without any SAPD organisation, the freecops will not follow suite. I have witnessed this at one of the mexican revolutions, where freecops are just charging in randomly, and SAPD are barely even responding to the barrage on the radio I'm giving (me trying to organise). Eventually, after about 5 cops returned a few hundred times and 10minutes later the mexicans were finally killed.

  Later on in the day there was a similar situation at Grove Street, however this time SAPD was organised into groups, probably cause a high rank was on or some subgroup... freecops joined and responded to the organisation the criminals were taken out in about a minute. It was over by the time I could even shout for LSPD to get their ass in gear: pretty impressive.

  So want freecops to follow suite, SAPD really does need to lead by example on this one. Work as a team and try your best to survive.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Wayne on September 07, 2010, 17:55:38 pm
  So want freecops to follow suite, SAPD really does need to lead by example on this one. Work as a team and try your best to survive.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 07, 2010, 18:31:36 pm
  Unfortunately without any SAPD organisation, the freecops will not follow suite. I have witnessed this at one of the mexican revolutions, where freecops are just charging in randomly, and SAPD are barely even responding to the barrage on the radio I'm giving (me trying to organise). Eventually, after about 5 cops returned a few hundred times and 10minutes later the mexicans were finally killed.

  Later on in the day there was a similar situation at Grove Street, however this time SAPD was organised into groups, probably cause a high rank was on or some subgroup... freecops joined and responded to the organisation the criminals were taken out in about a minute. It was over by the time I could even shout for LSPD to get their ass in gear: pretty impressive.

I was in one of those, no, make that 3 - 4 of those. Pain in the ass if you ask me.

  So want freecops to follow suite, SAPD really does need to lead by example on this one. Work as a team and try your best to survive.

Saa, so true

Just have a Combat Shotgun or a Sniper and get them from the back while the rest rushes in from the front. :war:

I use M4 for that job sir. Makes rushing from the back unecessary.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: [R*]Drix on September 08, 2010, 13:03:50 pm
I've heard form CBFasi that you aren't allowed to /respawn at suspects and assault them again n again.. till they loose armour. It's a rulebreak
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Salmonella on September 08, 2010, 14:25:10 pm
I've heard form CBFasi that you aren't allowed to /respawn at suspects and assault them again n again.. till they loose armour. It's a rulebreak
How would you describe that rulebreak in 2/3 Words? ( for admin purposes )
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Pazienza on September 08, 2010, 14:51:25 pm
Script abusing?
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Kenny on September 08, 2010, 15:20:04 pm
yep i have seen people getting kicked copbanned and tempbanned for this.

What they do is when they die over 10 times and come back, there only solution is to spawn reset inside the house and while other cops do an assault this cop runs to suspects and punches them their armour off to distract them
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: JayL on September 08, 2010, 18:36:30 pm
Isn't it too obvious that one should not resetspawn in the middle of the combat zone and keep coming back? :redface:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Alan Demarest on September 08, 2010, 20:29:48 pm
Isn't it too obvious that one should not resetspawn in the middle of the combat zone and keep coming back? :redface:

"im a cop, im allowed 2 return!!!one"

 :lol:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 09, 2010, 06:43:41 am
Isn't it too obvious that one should not resetspawn in the middle of the combat zone and keep coming back? :redface:

Common sense would dictate, but then again, it's not so common. :(
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Jcstodds on September 09, 2010, 11:57:15 am
Use common sense!

  The ultimate reasoning of the universe.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on September 09, 2010, 18:34:08 pm
Use common sense!

  The ultimate reasoning of the universe.

But then again, it's not so common. :(
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Panda on September 11, 2010, 20:50:08 pm
They were also threatened by Inkognito who told he'd permban those players if they kept shooting at cops that had shot at them.
Fail.

Isn't it too obvious that one should not resetspawn in the middle of the combat zone and keep coming back? :redface:
I've seen it done.
The cop resetspawn in the lobby of a building we were in and literally just went AFK.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Rabbit on September 13, 2010, 10:35:26 am
Personally I wouldn't have wasted my time with non-rp children on a killing spree in los santos
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on September 13, 2010, 19:00:56 pm
Personally I wouldn't have wasted my time with non-rp children on a killing spree in los santos

Says the guy who died, came back without weapons and started punching an armed criminal.

When you used the truck to ram the blockade - that was awesome. When you came back and started punching Kenny - not so awesome.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Jcstodds on September 14, 2010, 03:53:30 am
I usually try to ignore any massive shootouts especially when they have no RP background. Even then I just go to have a good shout and give support either in moral, strategy or weapons.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Mack on October 16, 2010, 08:26:26 am
Dieing, respawning at PD, gearing up, and returning after sometime is totally different from /spawnreset 'ing in middle of warzone. I do hate a few freecops who do this, but its mostly cause they are new to Argo and wish to be a part of PD and police duties. Try PMing such people and explaining them about Argonath and RP, if they have common sense and potential, even they try to co-operate :)
Hopefully such people could even be turned into SAPD Officer material in future. Everyone plays slightly rough and bad in the start, including me, in the start, my policing habbits were very bad.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Tyler Grey on October 16, 2010, 09:06:16 am
Cool story bro

(http://www.thunting.com/smf/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) Useless posting.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on October 16, 2010, 09:10:36 am
Cool story bro

Either shut the f**k up or post something constructive.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Abdul_Ghani on November 06, 2010, 18:33:04 pm
Addition to the idea

1 . When an Officer is spraying the suspect,do not shoot or beat the suspect as it will make the suspect easier to run away.

2 . Don't be so foolish to engage with criminal that heavily armed and has higher hp than you,ask for backup and retreat from the scene.

3 . Always patrol with a partner at least to avoid being sneak attacked or killed by suspect when in routine check.

4 . Crouch when shooting as it will make your aim sharper

5 . Do not shoot if an Officer is in front of you as it will endanger your friend's life.

6 . When in routine check,ask the civilian to lay on the floor [/hurt 1] before frisking him,

7. Cover yourself instead of exposing yourself in the middle of shootout

8. If the suspect is closed ,either move yourself while shooting or spray him.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Ben on November 06, 2010, 20:29:33 pm
I play this game to have fun. Wether that means going up against a suspect who has an m4 wiht pepper spray. Or just blasting shots aimlessly while 4 Gvardia members combat me. I couldnt give a shit wether im all OMG spec opss cover double tap CQC. I play to have fun and wont stop.

Its actually known as CQB now. Close Quarter Battles :')
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on November 07, 2010, 11:23:43 am
4 . Crouch when shooting as it will make your aim sharper
And then you die.

6 . When in routine check,ask the civilian to lay on the floor [/hurt 1] before frisking him,

And then you're breaking the felon's civil rights.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on November 07, 2010, 15:15:56 pm
4 . Crouch when shooting as it will make your aim sharper.
Same as Oliver's comment. Head to ParUni or some other DM server and practice. (Invite friends along as well)

5 . Do not shoot if an Officer is in front of you as it will endanger your friend's life.
This is actually a good one, I've seen (and done -_-') a few mishaps happen because this isn't implemented.

6 . When in routine check,ask the civilian to lay on the floor [/hurt 1] before frisking him.
Irrelevant, the civilian can do /stopanim and blast you to with Combat/D Eagle; Or he could skip the anim altogether and blast you.

7. Cover yourself instead of exposing yourself in the middle of shootout.
Unless you're on higher ground or in a well secured location or the suspects ACTUALLY RP, (i.e. taking cover, taking potshots, etc.) suspects will rush to your cover spot and you die by Combat Shotgun.

The problem doesn't lie with the rules, but the people who are SUPPOSED to follow said rules. Both Police and Criminals have been at fault, equally. (If any of you feels offended by this, pls take to my PM.)
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on November 07, 2010, 15:38:26 pm
5 . Do not shoot if an Officer is in front of you as it will endanger your friend's life.
This is actually a good one, I've seen (and done -_-') a few mishaps happen because this isn't implemented.

Oh yeah, wanted to add something: I've seen three SWAT operations ruined due to the SAPD charging in and shooting the SWAT team in the back. Every single one of my operation deaths has been from an officer shooting me in the back with a deagle.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on November 07, 2010, 15:50:58 pm
5 . Do not shoot if an Officer is in front of you as it will endanger your friend's life.
This is actually a good one, I've seen (and done -_-') a few mishaps happen because this isn't implemented.

Oh yeah, wanted to add something: I've seen three SWAT operations ruined due to the SAPD charging in and shooting the SWAT team in the back. Every single one of my operation deaths has been from an officer shooting me in the back with a D Eagle.

Seconded. USM had an operation once, same thing happened to me. Twice.

New Rule: When SWAT goes into a building, all Officers (ARPD or Otherwise) has to GTFO.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Abdul_Ghani on November 07, 2010, 18:35:21 pm
Hey Guys ,the eight things I explained to you had save my life in my daily patrol. Free to post if you guys have a better idea.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2010, 18:08:43 pm
Hey Guys ,the eight things I explained to you had save my life in my daily patrol. Free to post if you guys have a better idea.
Whoa, its only constructive criticism, and in case you didn't notice, they have been giving ideas :')
They've said some of your ideas are good, and the points against them have all be completely valid. They are not being rude to you, they are merely stating facts, so cops do not do things which endanger people's lives. Anyway, my analysis, because I want to jump on the boat :D


4 . Crouch when shooting as it will make your aim sharper
This makes it harder to make a, erm...tactical retreat, i suppose i could say :D

5 . Do not shoot if an Officer is in front of you as it will endanger your friend's life.
I like this idea! I have been shot a few times by cops behind me, and its quite aggravating at the time :L

6 . When in routine check,ask the civilian to lay on the floor [/hurt 1] before frisking him
You should not have to frisk a suspect on a routine check. You need reasonable suspicion to do this, and in which case you should probably have cuffed them anyway :')

7. Cover yourself instead of exposing yourself in the middle of shootout
Yeah, a lot of people go charging in with no care about their lives, not very RP at all!
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Ben Hells on November 12, 2010, 01:32:51 am
I take cover however in my town with Gvardia they for some reason always have snipers lol so it doesn't do me any good lol......

Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on November 12, 2010, 03:36:39 am
4 . Crouch when shooting as it will make your aim sharper.
Same as Oliver's comment. Head to ParUni or some other DM server and practice. (Invite friends along as well)

5 . Do not shoot if an Officer is in front of you as it will endanger your friend's life.
This is actually a good one, I've seen (and done -_-') a few mishaps happen because this isn't implemented.

6 . When in routine check,ask the civilian to lay on the floor [/hurt 1] before frisking him.
Irrelevant, the civilian can do /stopanim and blast you to with Combat/D Eagle; Or he could skip the anim altogether and blast you.

7. Cover yourself instead of exposing yourself in the middle of shootout.
Unless you're on higher ground or in a well secured location or the suspects ACTUALLY RP, (i.e. taking cover, taking potshots, etc.) suspects will rush to your cover spot and you die by Combat Shotgun.

The problem doesn't lie with the rules, but the people who are SUPPOSED to follow said rules. Both Police and Criminals have been at fault, equally. (If any of you feels offended by this, pls take to my PM.)

I apologize if I sound like a dick but what I meant was...

@ #4: Sure it'll make your aim sharper but you'll also be a static target, much more easier for suspects to hit you. (Unless it is used on conjunction with #7 which in itself has faults)

@ #6: I've seen some criminals simply blasting the f**k out of Officers for annoying them, even if it's completely valid. If this is to be successful both sides must have a mutual agreement, something that is lacking right now.

@ #7: In my experience, when I take cover behind a cruiser, the criminals screw safety and rush over to where I am. Then I receive death by Combat.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on November 12, 2010, 14:45:02 pm
#7 Is actually a must in combat, Joseph. If you have a partner with you and the criminal charges towards your cover, he will either die or lose massive amounts of health.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on November 12, 2010, 16:30:55 pm
#7 Is actually a must in combat, Joseph. If you have a partner with you and the criminal charges towards your cover, he will either die or lose massive amounts of health.

I'll take your word for it, but for the life of me I cannot hit anything with anything smaller than a SMG. Maybe I should practice at DM servers more?
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Oliver Daniels on November 28, 2010, 19:24:33 pm
I got good at shooting after I started playing on DM servers, so yes.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: RayCarter on November 28, 2010, 20:46:08 pm
I've lost count how many times i've seen cops 'cowboy' their way towards suspects who have more guns or armor than themselves.

Often in a pursuit, I will just follow the suspect rather than attempt to stop the vehicle.
I wait until more units arrive and join the pursuit before performing a PIT manuver.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Alan Demarest on November 28, 2010, 23:55:41 pm
I got good at shooting after I started playing on DM servers, so yes.

Do you remember when we were on that DM server a long time ago? We both got a 50 kill streak..  :cool:
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Joseph_Allen on November 29, 2010, 03:03:59 am
The only qualms I have with Police's standard issue guns is that D Eagle can be a real bad girl to hit a target with. Which is why I used SMG (Before the New Rules) to finish off running suspects.

Do I really suck that bad or is it because I have 300+ ping?
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Sushi on December 09, 2010, 12:10:14 pm
I have a ping of 350+ atleast at all times, it peaks at about 530 sometimes; just practise practise and MORE practise.

Crouching also makes you predictable, when you roll you have a set distance you will roll and this will give the other shooter a 50/50 chance of hitting you if you decide to roll. This would be devastating if they're focusing with a full clip of M4 or any weapon really, you're going to take an unacceptable amount of damage.

And yes, all my SWAT deaths have simply been caused by being shot in the back before officers don't know how to stop spraying at a wall when we advance.

Criminals like to bolt around your cover because they won't be downed instantly by your shots (unlike in real life).

We as officers must learn to shoot against suspects who know how to DM, there are just times when suspects are simply arrogant and egotistic and want to shoot up someone. They'll use their DM skills to kill us, so we must learn to counter these.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Leroy Hudson on December 09, 2010, 15:59:00 pm
The only qualms I have with Police's standard issue guns is that D Eagle can be a real bad girl to hit a target with. Which is why I used SMG (Before the New Rules) to finish off running suspects.

Do I really suck that bad or is it because I have 300+ ping?

Go to ParUni, test shooting with people who have close ping to yours and much lower, You'll then see where too shoot. Also before shooting a target, try to check their ping, the bigger the ping difference, the longer range you'll have to shoot, it's just about getting use to where to shoot on different ping levels.
Title: Re: Reminder to all cops.
Post by: Abdul_Ghani on December 16, 2011, 08:32:30 am
Bump for SAPD guidances.
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