Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Edward Miller on January 14, 2011, 16:24:34 pm
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Well at title says.. what add new ranks, I choiced those from orginal Los Angeles PD ranks..
Chief of Police
Assistant Chief
Deputy Chief
Commander
Captain III
Captain II
Captain I
Lieutenant II
Lieutenant I
Sergeant II
Sergeant I
Senior Lead Officer
Police Officer III+1
Police Officer III
Police Officer II
Police Officer I
idk, what you think?
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So....why? We don't need a huge ass chain of ranks.
I say what we have now is enough.
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So....why? We don't need a huge ass chain of ranks.
I say what we have now is enough.
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As much as these ranks look cool and fancy, they are not needed and they'd just cause a mess in the PD's structure if implemented, in my opinion. The current rank hierarchy is fine.
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If something works, don't try fixing it - just let it be. In the process of "fixing" where it isn't required, it may mess up from its previous peaceful state.
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Its an awesome idea but even for the size of SAPD, it isnt really a good idea to have all those ranks. Honestly, if you were to change the ranks around, i would just add a detectives rank aftee officer or senior officer because it actually makes sense.
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Its an awesome idea but even for the size of SAPD, it isnt really a good idea to have all those ranks. Honestly, if you were to change the ranks around, i would just add a detectives rank aftee officer or senior officer because it actually makes sense.
Detectives can go UC IRL right?
If so, we already have a UC system, and do not need another rank :cop:
If something works, don't try fixing it - just let it be. In the process of "fixing" where it isn't required, it may mess up from its previous peaceful state.
Exactly, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"sums it up perfectly Soph :)
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As much as these ranks look cool and fancy, they are not needed and they'd just cause a mess in the PD's structure if implemented, in my opinion. The current rank hierarchy is fine.
This.
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As much as these ranks look cool and fancy, they are not needed and they'd just cause a mess in the PD's structure if implemented, in my opinion. The current rank hierarchy is fine.
This.
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Too many unneeded and too similar to each other..
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Oh well.. just giving suggestions, you can lock this.
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Its an awesome idea but even for the size of SAPD, it isnt really a good idea to have all those ranks. Honestly, if you were to change the ranks around, i would just add a detectives rank aftee officer or senior officer because it actually makes sense.
Detectives can go UC IRL right?
If so, we already have a UC system, and do not need another rank :cop:
I never said to add it. Im saying if you were to add another one, that would make the most sense :P
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Our system works (Y).
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There is no need to a mass of new ranks, we dont have enough staff...
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Why we don't just add a detective official rank for SAPD? like VCPD.
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The Detective rank in VCPD only applies to VC:MP VCPD. It is part of an organization that replaces FBI in the VC:MP server.
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And in SA:MP we already have UC Police officers.
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If we get this it would be the same ranks without Commander, Assistant chief. Those are the only ranks that is added. Others will be the same with added 1,2 or 3, so it is wasted time.
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If we get this it would be the same ranks without Commander, Assistant chief. Those are the only ranks that is added. Others will be the same with added 1,2 or 3, so it is wasted time.
Commander is essentially the same rank as Chief, and Assistant Chief is the same as Deputy Chief. The only difference is that the system stated above is used in large, multi-precinct departments, like NYPD for example.
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The LAPD have less Ranks than the NYPD, probably because it has around 25,000 less personnel.
The SAPD doesn't really have enough members to assign to the ranks of Commander, Assistant Chief etc.
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The LAPD have less Ranks than the NYPD, probably because it has around 25,000 less personnel.
The SAPD doesn't really have enough members to assign to the ranks of Commander, Assistant Chief etc.
Theoretically they could if they wanted to make each PD a precinct within SAPD, which actually would make more sense, but it would require a few changes within the system.
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That ranking structure would not work on the server simply because the player base is not large enough. If the server had a player base of 300+ it may work, but sadly that is not the case. As you know the SASD moved servers and the rank structure in the SASD works as follows.
High Command:
Sheriff
Under Sheriff
Assistant Sheriff
Commander
Low Command:
Captain:
Supervisors
Lieutenant:
Seargent:
Deputy
It works extremely well.
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As you know the SASD moved servers and the rank structure in the SASD works as follows.
This is not SASD and we are not county cops, we have some city cops, I don't like those ranks.
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Yea, I have to go agree with the above posts.
It would be absolutely epic to have some shiny new ranks, but they mustn't go to waste.
There will have to be deserving people in the first place to take up these positions and use them to better ARPD.
Hopefully the current system already accounts for that.
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As you know the SASD moved servers and the rank structure in the SASD works as follows.
This is not SASD and we are not county cops, we have some city cops, I don't like those ranks.
While it might be true that we are not SASD, DPD actually are county police. Secondly, please be nice. If you don't like the idea, it's fine, but there's no need to be rude.
Seeing that ARPD is finally stretching it's limits on it's capabilities, I have a suggestion. What if, assuming ARPD itself is left untouched, we form a secondary law enforcement policing agency called ARSD? This would cover county usage, and make DPD's job a hell of alot easier because they would only need to focus on Dillimore and the surrounding areas. We know in-game that there are other department stations for Sheriff's, so why not? Furthermore, seeing how FBI is somewhat split from ARPD now, why not keep all 3 as separate, but combined agencies that work under a "Department Of Justice"? This could be led by what we currently refer to as ARPD Leadership, and even from within this we could create an unbiased Internal Affairs which is fair and contains people from each agency, as well as outside the 3 agencies. This would prevent multiple future issues, reduce the amount of officer's being stretched thin in coverage, and could easily be expanded to the other servers as well, thus creating more opportunities for roleplay. Because they would all be organized under the DoJ, they would also have their laws, rules, procedures, etc. posted there for all of them to follow, but also allowing specific agencies to have specific policies only geared toward them as needed to control crime. Through the DoJ cooperation could be done, and if necessary, forced if fighting arises. For the most part this would not cause any largescale issues with ARPD, and might even attract more players to the unique ideas such as County Sheriff roleplays, (which obviously seemed to work well in the past for SASD as a group. I'm not saying copying them, but players did tend to appreciate the diversity in choices of roleplay, and after all, we are a world of our own).
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While it might be true that we are not SASD, DPD actually are county police.
Sugar, where would you get the command staff for such a department? You can't trust most people here with power higher than /su and /jail. The people you can trust are already in the command staff in different departments.
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If the FBI was replaced with a Detective Bureau of the SAPD/VCPD, maybe we could add the Rank of Detective and replace the FBI Directors with some more Commanders and Deputy Chief's
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If the FBI was replaced with a Detective Bureau of the SAPD/VCPD, maybe we could add the Rank of Detective and replace the FBI Directors with some more Commanders and Deputy Chief's
You want to replace an entire organization and conjoin it to another? The FBI have their own kind of RP as does the SAPD. The SAPD have UC Officers and so on aswell.
The ranks are honestly fine the way they are right now. We don't have enough staff to do such a large and pointless revamp of the rank system.
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Sugar, where would you get the command staff for such a department? You can't trust most people here with power higher than /su and /jail. The people you can trust are already in the command staff in different departments.
True. It's just an idea, which would obviously take planning if such were to happen. I just thought I'd throw it out there.
If the FBI was replaced with a Detective Bureau of the SAPD/VCPD, maybe we could add the Rank of Detective and replace the FBI Directors with some more Commanders and Deputy Chief's
You could have Detectives without removing FBI. FBI has a different focus anyway. Detectives may look into similar things on a local scale, but FBI is covering things in a much larger way.
Edit: Flames, off-topic, and arguments removed from all posts, including my own. Let's get back on topic.
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I just want the rank of 'Corporal'. It just sounds sexy.
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Too many unneeded and too similar to each other..
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I just want the rank of 'Corporal'. It just sounds sexy.
Isn't it just :lol:
I'm one in RL, and it just means all the more senior NCO's tell you what to do, and everyone else asks you lots of questions...not such a great rank :roll:
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I just want the rank of 'Corporal'. It just sounds sexy.
Thats a military rank, not a police rank...
And my other comment still stands...
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I just want the rank of 'Corporal'. It just sounds sexy.
Thats a military rank, not a police rank...
And my other comment still stands...
Correction, it is a police rank. Sorry to be awkward, but Brazil have a corporal rank in the police, as do:
- Canada
- Japan
- Malaysia
- Philippines (kind of)
- Singapore
- Spain
- Thailand
I know what you mean though. Most countries which hold police NCO ranks skip the Corporal rank and go straight to Sergeant (if they use that system).
Even though I do not support the idea myself, saying that it is a military rank is irrelevant. We are the ARPD, not the LAPD in America, nor the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (no guesses where they're from!). This means we can have our own ranks, even if they do not match up to ranks in countries around the world.
I still don't support the idea of changing our ranks though :lol:
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I just want the rank of 'Corporal'. It just sounds sexy.
Thats a military rank, not a police rank...
And my other comment still stands...
HI DAD, LONG TIME NO SEE! :D
Staying healthy I suppose? :>
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They are good like they are, stop complicating stuff.
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There is no need to a mass of new ranks, we dont have enough staff...
The LAPD have less Ranks than the NYPD, probably because it has around 25,000 less personnel.
The SAPD doesn't really have enough members to assign to the ranks of Commander, Assistant Chief etc.
I explained it better :D
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There is no need to a mass of new ranks, we dont have enough staff...
The LAPD have less Ranks than the NYPD, probably because it has around 25,000 less personnel.
The SAPD doesn't really have enough members to assign to the ranks of Commander, Assistant Chief etc.
I explained it better :D
tl;dr....joking :P
CBF's sums it up the best to be honest, most people don't need to read the longer post (yours), as the shorter post (CBF) would have made them compare PD's anyway :D
Sorry to burst your bubble :roll:
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In Australia we use (my state):
-Constable
-Senior Constable
-Leading Senior Constable
-Sergeant
-Senior Sergeant
-Inspector
And it goes on.
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Just for further reference, ARPD is mainly based off the LAPD. That's where most of their codes, laws, and ranks come from.
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Brazil
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig high five, brother.
It's not like you can't assign unofficial ranks anyway.
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Brazil
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig high five, brother.
It's not like you can't assign unofficial ranks anyway.
Hehe, whoo Brazil! :D
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I just want the rank of 'Corporal'. It just sounds sexy.
Thats a military rank, not a police rank...
And my other comment still stands...
Actually no It is not just a military rank... I hate to burst your bubble on that one. There are many police departments in the United States that use the rank of Corporal "CPL" It is one rank above Officer(OFC) and one rank below Sergent (Sgt). It is essentially the same thing as a senior officer. A little bit of research can go a very long way... Don't just assume because you have never heard something it isn't true.
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I think Corporal is commonly associated with State Police, right?
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I think Corporal is commonly associated with State Police, right?
CBF is half (well, mostly) correct...it is mainly associated with the military, but always as an NCO rank :)
In Britain I know that the RAF have it, as do the Army.
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I think Corporal is commonly associated with State Police, right?
Yes. Corporal is mainly concentrated on military and state police.
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I think Corporal is commonly associated with State Police, right?
Yes. Corporal is mainly concentrated on military and state police.
Correct. Very few departments use it. I know Sacramento PD does in their academy, but they don't in their field/desk ranks.
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Corporal is commonly used in state police and sheriffs departments, however it is used in some local police departments