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Title: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on February 13, 2011, 23:26:56 pm
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The new awarding system will give fair chance to every officer to earn a medal, if they are hard working and loyal employees to SAPD. The awarding system will be the same for every local departments without expection. (Official SAPD awards: Medal Of Valor, Police Star, Police Lifesaving Medal, Meritroious Service Medal, and Community Policing Medal)

The local PDs are still free to make custom awards for their officers, but the official awards are regulated by the SAPD Upper command staff. (eg: DPD's best shooter, LVPD's best dispatcher)


Award system


Community Policing Medal & Meritorious Service Medal - Can be earned by using the *Merit system, and only the most hard working officers can win these medals, who reached the most merit count during the month(s).

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Police Star & Police lifesaving medal: - Can be only given to the officer, if the whole SAPD Command staff voted about it (SAPD Lt+).

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Medal of Valor: Can be only given by SAPD/ARPD Chief and his deputies. The local department leaders should send proposal letter to the main SAPD leaders, and the chiefs will vote if the officer deservs the medal, or not. On the next ceremony a Chief (or deputy) must attend, and he will give out the medal.





What is the Merit system? :

The Merit system is originally founded by Captain Leroy Hudson. This new way to promote the officers is good sollution to create fairness in the awarding. Until this day, the merit system was only used in the LVPD, but from now on, All local PDs must use this contrivance. The SAPD is using standardized rules for awarding & promoting.

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Las Venturas
Police Department
'Merit Awards'


Introduction
The Merit system, is a system the LVPD uses as a 'reference' to see how Officers are doing on the forum / during in game. Points are rewarded for certain things, such as Patrol reports, Dispatch reports, desk assignments. We do not use the Merit system as a prime reference to award/promote during ceremonies, but as a sort of 'back up' data about the work of each Officer.


System of the Merit awards
I'll use the LVPD tasks which you have to do to be awarded these 'Merit awards', as an example.

60 minutes/1 Hour PATROL Report = 1 Merit
60 minutes/1 Hour DISPATCH Report = 1 Merit
1 Completed assignment = 1 Merit

For Patrol / Dispatch reports, say if an Officer does 1 Hour 30 minutes, he won't be awarded for 30 minutes, but just for the 60, So he may push him self if possible to get more merits, for every hour you do on Reports, you receive one merit.

For assignments, the assignment can be short / long as possible, but must offer some physical activity during in game, to receive one merit after being completed.



Additional Information
We keep adding Merits to people who earn them, and after a Ceremony, every Merit is nulled to 0, Including the assignments board, Patrol reports board, Dispatch reports board topics. They are nulled to 0, because the Merits may of been used as a reference for certain awards, but also by nulling them after ceremonies, the Officers who are low on Merits, have a fresh chance, to try collect as many as possible, Note that Officers are aware that they cannot just receive awards by simply collecting merits, but also trying different ways to help the Department, and putting effort in.

Patrol Reports - Merits are given by Patrol Commanders (Patrol Center Upper CMD if needed)
Dispatch Reports - Merits are given by Dispatch Commanders (Patrol Center Upper CMD if needed)
Assignment Reports - Merits are given by Patrol Center Upper CMD



I would gladly answer any questions, to help clear confusion so this may work smoothly if your Department puts it in use.

Signed,
Captain Leroy Hudson


signed,
Chief Hank Rafferty
Captain Leroy Hudson

Las Venturas 13.02.2011.
SAPD HQ





Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Giovanni_Blake on February 13, 2011, 23:30:07 pm
Nice  :pancher: :sheriff:
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Badandy on February 14, 2011, 00:09:05 am
I like!
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: RockStracci on February 14, 2011, 00:50:04 am
Honestly, I do like the idea but I believe there will be some negative things going on.

I'm speaking for endless competition of each department's officer, and in end, big arguements  :hit:
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Badandy on February 14, 2011, 00:56:33 am
I agree with Rock
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Julio. on February 14, 2011, 01:04:22 am
I do not like this

For these merits, either get a fixed number for the medal, or scrap it. By saying getting the 'most' points to get it within the PD could piss people off.

For example, one guy from LSPD gets 5 points and gets the medal because they have the most, guy from DPD gets 15 but does not get a medal because he did not get the most?

Ideas need revising.

Also, how the hell do the SAPD command staff vote on each player if they never patrol with them? And also are inactive, for example, practically all our chiefs are rarely on.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: [Rstar]Vince on February 14, 2011, 01:08:07 am
Some of the concerns above have been posted for review by myself, please realize in the future there could be changes.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on February 14, 2011, 02:43:53 am
Honestly, I do like the idea but I believe there will be some negative things going on.

I'm speaking for endless competition of each department's officer, and in end, big arguements  :hit:


You should get used to it... a little competition doesn't hurts.  :v:



I do not like this

For these merits, either get a fixed number for the medal, or scrap it. By saying getting the 'most' points to get it within the PD could piss people off.

For example, one guy from LSPD gets 5 points and gets the medal because they have the most, guy from DPD gets 15 but does not get a medal because he did not get the most?

Ideas need revising.


First of all, the merit system is not the only way to earn the Meritrous Service Medal & Community Policing Medal. If the officer is so dedicated to the force, and recognised by the command staff in game.. he will get the deserts. But.. if you are not playing in the same time zone, or you just simply want to show detailed reports about your field work.. you got chance to earn 'merits'.

With this.. in the end of the month, to the next ceremony.. you can't say, i wrote 10 reports but the command staff ignores me.. because it will be a deciding factor when the question pops up "who deserves a medal".

If you would realise, these rules always existed in the SAPD.. just they were not written until today. The Merit system is unitaring the SAPD awards.




Also, how the hell do the SAPD command staff vote on each player if they never patrol with them? And also are inactive, for example, practically all our chiefs are rarely on.

If a local deparatment leader... for example a lieutenant, takes the effort to award somebody with a great SAPD medal... he will take the time to write a detailed report why is the cop deserving it. The SAPD Command team is not cold hearted to deny the medal from a cop who saved 10 officers, and chiefs can always overjudge if there would be abuse in the voting. The whole point is to have oversight on giving out the highest medals, and to prevent the easily given rewards.

( If a regular cop whishes to propose somebody to be awarded with the Police star/Lifesaving Medal/Medal of Valor, he has to contact to the local department leaders. [Sgt / Lt or Cpt] )




Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Salmonella on February 14, 2011, 03:40:53 am
I have been away for quite some time, but i just cannot imagine the upper command, ''patrol commanders, dispatch commanders, upper patrol center command'', fulfilling such a huge task of monitoring every single merit earning candidate. As mentioned earlier, you'd have to be online 24 / 7, because members of departements, aren't online online at times that you are normally online. Monitoring everyone constantly isn't fun, which bring me to my next point ;

This ''Merit System'' seems not fun to me at all, this system is all about competition in my eyes. I am here ( or atleast trying to be here again :D ) to have lots of fun. Competition stresses me out. Although i actually enjoy working hard for things i like to work for, competition has ruined everything for me in my past SAPD carreer. I also tried to be ''better'' than others, to gain ranks and medals, while instead, all i reached, was lack of fun, a termintation from my duties, respect lost, and many more to name. However, some people enjoy competition and manage to enjoy it and not stress out. These people might enjoy the Merit System. So there are two different kind of opinions about competition, which brings me to my next point ;

The people who will like to have competition can still have that inside or outside the SAPD, I have actually no idea, because I am not one of these people. The point is, the Merit System is not needed to experience the competition that you like. However, on the other side, If this Merit System would be implented, the people who do not like competition or the Merit System will be forced to live by it. Now, forcing people to do something, especially such a drastic change in the SAPD, is something that i believe, would ruin the fun that we are to experience here with eachother. So basing my opinions on the main goal that atleast I am here to experience

However, As far as i'm concerned, the second goal of this Merit System is to improve the efficiency of medal awarding. I seriously think that changes being made to the awarding system are a good thing. For example, an officer who has been here for 3 years, only has 3 medals, and an officer who has been here 1 year, has 15 medals, They are at same activity, but one gets noticed more than another. That is wRONg.. And it is good that there have now been started discussions about this. My personal opinion about the Merit System remains the same though, for the reasons named above. It's not just a ''a little competition''. It would redefine the whole way of working in the SAPD.

Even if Merits don't HAVE to be earned ( and i assume opposite ), it would still put that competative pressure on you, that i was talking about earlier...

That is the reason i'm worried
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Swig on February 14, 2011, 03:45:06 am
We will only check patrol reports, dispatch reports and assignments to check who earns merits.
I used 5 minutes to add merits for this February to all dpd officers earlier today, it's not that much extra work, and it's more likely a "back-up" so we can  have better overview of which officers that are active on the field serving, for exemple for the meritorious service medal.  ;)
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Salmonella on February 14, 2011, 03:53:43 am
We will only check patrol reports, dispatch reports and assignments to check who earns merits.
I used 5 minutes to add merits for this February to all dpd officers earlier today, it's not that much extra work, and it's more likely a "back-up" so we can  have better overview of which officers that are active on the field serving, for exemple for the meritorious service medal.  ;)
Yeah, well, i was more curious about how you know how long he/she patrolled. appart from trust of course
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Swig on February 14, 2011, 03:57:55 am
We will only check patrol reports, dispatch reports and assignments to check who earns merits.
I used 5 minutes to add merits for this February to all dpd officers earlier today, it's not that much extra work, and it's more likely a "back-up" so we can  have better overview of which officers that are active on the field serving, for exemple for the meritorious service medal.  ;)
Yeah, well, i was more curious about how you know how long he/she patrolled. appart from trust of course

Well it wouldn't take to much time to find out, depending on how many arrests/jails and c3 situations the officer has been involved in.
If a officer has patrolle for example 6hours+ it will be checked into more, then just a report for 1 hour.
Officers should provide as much as they can with how many C3 situations, special situations and jails/kills in their reports and provide pictures.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: [R*]EliteTerm on February 14, 2011, 08:36:34 am
We will only check patrol reports, dispatch reports and assignments to check who earns merits.
I used 5 minutes to add merits for this February to all dpd officers earlier today, it's not that much extra work, and it's more likely a "back-up" so we can  have better overview of which officers that are active on the field serving, for exemple for the meritorious service medal.  ;)
Yeah, well, i was more curious about how you know how long he/she patrolled. appart from trust of course

Well it wouldn't take to much time to find out, depending on how many arrests/jails and c3 situations the officer has been involved in.
If a officer has patrolle for example 6hours+ it will be checked into more, then just a report for 1 hour.
Officers should provide as much as they can with how many C3 situations, special situations and jails/kills in their reports and provide pictures.
And improve use of the Case & Reports..

I noticed that when I posted a report in January, there wasn't any activity for a month.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Sushi on February 14, 2011, 08:46:59 am
This, will be interesting.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on February 14, 2011, 09:18:36 am
Understand that this was a system for one Department up till now, but perhaps now that its global, all Departments may have an equal set limit of merits needed for awards if it is needed, do not forget, that Merit awards are just a 'reference' on how you're doing, but you can also gain awards by hard work on the field. Also once a ceremony/awarding event has been done, Merits must be reset to 0, so all Officers gain equal chance again, for the next awards.

It saves work for your Departments CMD, If they have been away, and have had only access to forum, it helps them see how your doing on the field, as a reference.

Also about competition, we've in the past set 'Group' assignments, which means some team of Officers work together to complete an assigment, and they all get awarded a merit.


Hope this may of helped,
Captain Leroy Hudson
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on February 14, 2011, 11:54:24 am
Just to clear up... if the merit system wouldnt work, or it would be too complicated, it wouldnt be implemented. The merit system had a test period in the LVPD, and the system works fine. To reassure you Salmonella, the command team is not spending much more time on forums as earlier.. and its still optional for the officers to earn a merit, its not a must.

As you realised, the SAPD ranking system is bit changed in the last months. Some months ago you couldnt say the difference between an officer, senior officer, sergeant, or liutenant. Each rank has its own role, and if you dont want competition or hard work, just stay on the officer rank.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Kenny on February 14, 2011, 12:43:08 pm
I was suprised when i saw the "Promotion and Awards" topic in "news and announcement" to see an officer awarding a Sergeant & Lt with Police Star medal, that is just a joke...
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Dolfa on February 14, 2011, 13:27:12 pm
I was suprised when i saw the "Promotion and Awards" topic in "news and announcement" to see an officer awarding a Sergeant & Lt with Police Star medal, that is just a joke...

Also an ex captain and a legend in the force ;)

About the idea..

Well seems more designed for LVPD..I do support it if it can be reformed for each department.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Swig on February 14, 2011, 14:01:57 pm
I was suprised when i saw the "Promotion and Awards" topic in "news and announcement" to see an officer awarding a Sergeant & Lt with Police Star medal, that is just a joke...

Also a person who has access to the command board of dpd, to help, improve and come with ideas for the dpd ;)
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on February 14, 2011, 15:19:19 pm
About the idea..

Well seems more designed for LVPD..I do support it if it can be reformed for each department.


Indeed... all PD has its own design. LVPD is the pattern, but every PD can have costumized assignments and boards.

examples:

LVPD > Patrol Center (special & UC assignments) > Patrol Reports HQ (Organised Patrols) > Dispatch Reports HQ (Dispatch Service) > Training board (training events) > LVHP (Costumized assignments for LVPD troopers)
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LSPD > L.S.P.D. Headquarters Patrol Center (Organised Patrols/Dispatch services) > L.S.P.D. Undercover Headquarters (UC assignments) . . . can be added more
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DPD > Dillimore Sheriff Central > State Troopers report section (Organised patrols / Dispatch services) > B.C.S.D./F.C.S.D./R.C.S.D. (Costumized assignments for DPD troopers) > DPD Undercover (UC assignments)
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SFPD > SFPD Communications Center > SFPD Group Patrols (Organised patrols/dispatch services) > SFPD Training (training events)


All PD has the opportunity to make something unique.... just use imagination.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on February 14, 2011, 16:56:37 pm
Concerns on this system being too complicated have been cleared, before this was even implemented in one Department, it was thought out of, thinking of each possibility of difficulties, and it is fine for use.

Also, remember, that the merits shouldn't be something to rely on for rewards, the CMD must try to check the Officers work on the field, if they cannot do so, then they should resort to the 'statistics' (Merits).
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: RockStracci on February 14, 2011, 21:41:15 pm
This is one thing that piss me off.. yes it is a GAME and not a IRL Life MUST-PLAY GAME.

We play this for FUN, and it's meant to be FUN in game, but with all these stuff on FORUMS, with reports and more on-going, it's not getting more fun but rather! More nervous! Because you must like write down everything you do to report it.. and that's annoying... let fun live, and paper work go away.. why do you make things more complicated and less fun for players?

Ever since the re-formation to PDs, yes by one point it is helpful because there are cities with more activity as it has it's own cops and team now, HOWEVER it's SOO Complicated that looses the FUN... as you have got 'tasks' and stuff.. to write so many things...

Seriously, It is a game and should not be so 'serious' and so complicated... I hope you get what I mean.. Nothing personal against usage of forums, I like using forums or etc.. but NO need for people to have SO much complicated things.. like so many reports.. here and there..

Now, to add from last comment.. since Hank recalls this a little more competition, No.. this 'ULTRA COMPETITION' from everybody will just be annoying and everyone will go stats-hungry, thinking that the more merits they got, the best cops they are.. but that's so false...

This is an RP Server if I can remind you... and Roleplay means; Having Fun INGAME... How can you call this a little more competition hank? Please give me an answer..

Please DON'T go telling me; NOBODY Enforces you to do this, so just don't do it (apply etc.)..I'm speaking for everything/everyone in general, and not just for my self..
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Swig on February 14, 2011, 22:24:24 pm
This is one thing that piss me off.. yes it is a GAME and not a IRL Life MUST-PLAY GAME.

We play this for FUN, and it's meant to be FUN in game, but with all these stuff on FORUMS, with reports and more on-going, it's not getting more fun but rather! More nervous! Because you must like write down everything you do to report it.. and that's annoying... let fun live, and paper work go away.. why do you make things more complicated and less fun for players?

Ever since the re-formation to PDs, yes by one point it is helpful because there are cities with more activity as it has it's own cops and team now, HOWEVER it's SOO Complicated that looses the FUN... as you have got 'tasks' and stuff.. to write so many things...

Seriously, It is a game and should not be so 'serious' and so complicated... I hope you get what I mean.. Nothing personal against usage of forums, I like using forums or etc.. but NO need for people to have SO much complicated things.. like so many reports.. here and there..

Now, to add from last comment.. since Hank recalls this a little more competition, No.. this 'ULTRA COMPETITION' from everybody will just be annoying and everyone will go stats-hungry, thinking that the more merits they got, the best cops they are.. but that's so false...

This is an RP Server if I can remind you... and Roleplay means; Having Fun INGAME... How can you call this a little more competition hank? Please give me an answer..

Please DON'T go telling me; NOBODY Enforces you to do this, so just don't do it (apply etc.)..I'm speaking for everything/everyone in general, and not just for my self..

We do not force anyone to write reports etc of what you do ingame.
This is a system to show who is the hardworkers, who want to earn something. It's a helpfull system for the command staff to see who earns promotions/awards for their work, because they are doing it.

If you dont want to write reports and forums work, don't do it. We are not allowed to fire someone for not writing reports, but we are allowed to not promote people who are not writing reports / working for it.

I think its fun to write repors and make the job more realistic and i know also that im talking about others who like to report in their work so others can see what they have done.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Hank_Rafferty on February 14, 2011, 22:33:26 pm
Rock, tell me where it is breaking your fun. If you are tired of forums why you visiting it? You can still have the officer rank without opening the forums. Im sorry for breaking the dream, but the medal system is only recorded on forums (theres no /rank *medal* IG). If you dont want to do extra work to take some funny assignments and earn bonus money... up to you.

You complaining about something that is not enforced, and its just helping the Command team work. If you put the effort.. work for the SAPD, its really up to you.


The police RP is basicly a job in ArgonathRPG, and with the rewarding system.. you can win medals and money. We have rules to prevent abuse.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on February 14, 2011, 22:35:04 pm
Its nothing to get worried about, as you think as 'writing up reports' thats just an example of use. As I have said, and will say again, this is a reference to help the Command staff of your Department.

With this system they have aid to see who is doing well, when the CMD doesn't have time to see how the Officers were doing on the field.

Its better that the Command is sure on the awards they're giving rather than being unsure, and not giving someone an award, who has worked hard.

Read the use, before you comment, this is not about doing forum work only, your Department can set you any task they'd like, and award you a merit as they like.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: RockStracci on February 15, 2011, 00:19:09 am
Well, more annoying to me it is because I got a slight type of Dislexia and it's still hard for me to write correct in any of the languages I know !, and which is caused by the past ADHD (That's why I also never write in forms but just sentences and most of the times, in incorrect grammar!)... But oh well.

Now, for the fact you say it's not forceful, on Applications your people claim to deny people who don't update their application for 7 days (And WITHOUT a report but a single bump also)! I believe this should have atleast a 10-days or even a 14-days limit.. Sometimes I don't even have time or mood to sit on PC, play, patrol to report back on my application just for it to not be denied! Because I'm really interested to join the force this is a 'force' thing to me..

And again, I've seen the 'desks' of officers/people (In private department forums) receiving warnings then ending up being fired for not having posted such a 'report' I was saying before.. That's what I have been talking about <<

And yea, When I get over to Officer rank (and if that ever happens!) I will not be visiting forums that much, but rather have more activity and more fun in-game! Money is not something I need, neither I need any further tasks  :razz:
Also to add on this; If I don't even visit forums I'll never be able to get to make it to SAPD Officer rank..!

At least! I am happy this is Argonath and NOT the other known server... (XX-RP), because people there require people to spend many hours on game, and they are like making people there have no social life, but an e-game life! :lol: Anyway...

I hope I do not sound any strange, but that's just my view, and nothing personal against you all here  :redface: :redface:
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: [Rstar]Vince on February 15, 2011, 02:19:54 am
Why are you speaking in such a manner Rock? If I'm not mistaken you were previously apart of LVPD which has a work style such as this. Also the only time your grammar has seemed 'off' to me is in what you are writing now, no other times.. as if you are doing it on purpose to get attention. Is that the truth?
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: RockStracci on February 15, 2011, 03:27:51 am
Even in LVPD I was not writing that many reports, and Hank was aware of that ;)

OK, I didn't know that opinions were 'seek-attention' posts to you.
Erased my posts, since you don't need any 'attention whores' do you? :neutral:

Nobody can judge me, people who criticize me, just don't know me! Because if you knew me good, you would see I'm not such a person, and I don't even need attention
If you call every opinion a 'seek-attention', then really I don't see a point having a discussion here anymore. If people can't get me serious, and call me a attention seeker... no need.
Bye topic!
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: [Rstar]Vince on February 15, 2011, 03:49:51 am
I'm not calling you anything, I'm just saying it seems you're purposely trying to make yourself sound a certain way... :conf:
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: RockStracci on February 15, 2011, 03:50:41 am
Never done it before, and I don't even have a reason to  :razz:
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: GiacJr on March 24, 2011, 16:14:07 pm
You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: James Bowling on March 24, 2011, 16:55:10 pm
\Giac I said the same thing when I first looked at it... but when you really examin the idea and you look at what they recieve and what they do... it is a good system... not nearly as easy to keep track of but it works and it's a step to the future.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on March 24, 2011, 16:57:01 pm
The Merit system, is a system the LVPD uses as a 'reference' to see how Officers are doing on the forum / during in game. Points are rewarded for certain things, such as Patrol reports, Dispatch reports, desk assignments. We do not use the Merit system as a prime reference to award/promote during ceremonies, but as a sort of 'back up' data about the work of each Officer.


As you see it is not made to make a robotic function of the Department, it is there to make sure NO Officers work is overlooked. We have not and will not ever rely on some system of points to judge our Officers. This is a re-assurance system that each Officer isn't excluded from view. Hope that answers your concerns, the Chief isn't looking to make SAPD a robot group, instead it is turning flexible and more open in general, giving new cops opportunities and support and actually offering something to Officers to join SAPD for. :)

Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Edward Miller on March 24, 2011, 20:49:07 pm
This is bullshit, okey if there's officer who's nolifing and just shooting suspects 24/7, he is most active officer in SAPD and he reaches Sergeant/Lieutenant rank and then everything f**ks up because he have no f**king idea what to do.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on March 24, 2011, 21:06:23 pm
This is bullshit, okey if there's officer who's nolifing and just shooting suspects 24/7, he is most active officer in SAPD and he reaches Sergeant/Lieutenant rank and then everything f**ks up because he have no f**king idea what to do.

Did you even read before posting?

We do not use the Merit system as a prime reference to award/promote during ceremonies, but as a sort of 'back up' data about the work of each Officer.

And obviously, you think we'd be so naive that we'd use it to promote people up to Sergeant/Lieutenant?


And you don't just simply 'be active' you also need to do work to receive merits.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Edward Miller on March 24, 2011, 22:01:57 pm
I R&U but it's good at it is, if you want make anything better for SAPD give applicants tests or something before accepting to cadet.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on March 24, 2011, 22:48:47 pm
it's good at it is, if you want make anything better for SAPD give applicants tests or something before accepting to cadet.


Thats not what Officers claim when they think they're not given enough attention.

And have you been in hibernation all this time? They give you an interview before accepting you to Cadet status which decides if you will go on to be Cadet or not and how soon.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: GiacJr on March 25, 2011, 04:08:32 am
You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Nexus Riggs on March 25, 2011, 05:23:23 am
You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.
Totally disagree, Captain Leroy Hudson actually fulfills his duty and roles. If you had such permission to CURRENTLY view his work you would admire it. Your putting someone down, criticizing someone wrong way, understand authentication of his Rank and remember it was also you in that rank previously and how others looked at your performance. He's managing a whole Department, responsibility is not irrelevant, something huge- like load of sandbags in your head. He is one of the best Captain seen so far..

About merit system, it's totally perfect. It's to see if Officers fulfills there duties as it refers from SAPD Regulations and Administration that you patrol when on duty. Merit system gives officer encouragements to do more activities with'in his department and merit award actually pays officers commission (RP) as they would in the real life.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Matthew Adams on March 25, 2011, 05:30:34 am
I kind of have to agree. The old award system made alot more sense.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: GiacJr on March 25, 2011, 06:31:30 am
You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.
Totally disagree, Captain Leroy Hudson actually fulfills his duty and roles. If you had such permission to CURRENTLY view his work you would admire it. Your putting someone down, criticizing someone wrong way, understand authentication of his Rank and remember it was also you in that rank previously and how others looked at your performance. He's managing a whole Department, responsibility is not irrelevant, something huge- like load of sandbags in your head. He is one of the best Captain seen so far..

About merit system, it's totally perfect. It's to see if Officers fulfills there duties as it refers from SAPD Regulations and Administration that you patrol when on duty. Merit system gives officer encouragements to do more activities with'in his department and merit award actually pays officers commission (RP) as they would in the real life.


You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Sushi on March 25, 2011, 11:55:25 am
I'm going to simply go around all the arguments and say I agree with Matt; that the old system simply worked. Although it was not foolproof from many things, in a way this system will perhaps be more flawed, but that only way to tell will be time and of course if it does explode in our faces.

Going against my previous statement, yes Giac does know what his talking about and in a way I agree. Kissing arse should not be a factor in getting to places, doing a damned good job wherever you are in the World should be the thing that moves you up the ladder.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Joseph_Allen on March 25, 2011, 12:29:16 pm
           Disregarding the arguments stated before, I'm gonna say that the Merit System for Community Policing and the M Service Award is a good move. It serves as an indicator of who is actually working hard.

            However, I agree with Sushi in that it's the Command staff's decision whether a person is deserving of a medal or not.

           All I'm sayin' is that the Command Staff should still be the power to deciding if a person gets an award. The Merit system should just give them an indication of who's deserving.

           Now, with regards to the argument raging on. I'm just gonna say that this Merit system should NOT inhibit Officers from being awarded if ever they were deserving of it. I also agree with Giac on the whole "patrolling with your men" way of doing things. Builds Departmental teamwork.

           Just think of it this way, there's no such thing as a free meal and one can't get something without working hard for it.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: [R*]EliteTerm on March 25, 2011, 13:20:02 pm
I've had reserved thoughts about the new system. GiacJr and the others explained the important of being in the field with the members, not relying on reports.

If Command is inactive and cannot check its members, then it's time to replace them. Select the best candidates (Senior Officers+ or request another Department to send one of their Command members) and train them to fully replace the inactive member.

I'm not trying to be offensive, but if there's an inactive Command, the Department will get disorganized. They have to be on the field to build Department relations to the fullest.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Nicholas Baker on March 25, 2011, 16:41:54 pm
You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.

Why are you even commenting on this? You left the community. why do you care?

Leroy Fullfills his job Exactly how it should be. Every single department Observes his members.
This Merit system is to Prevent to oversee An officers work. Please find a Command staff wich plays around the clock. i guess u wont find one. Some departments has members wich have a TOTAL Different timezone. For example We had Ex- SAPD Member Joseph Allen wich was online from 20:00 - 6:00 Server time. Because he lives in the Phillipines. We cannot see all of his work only a part.
So we also see that he does his job by Reports wich are being awarded by Merits.

Merits are also a chance to earn some additional money, Officers can get money (In our department) for: Assignments, Merit awards (Dispatch, Assignment merits, Training merits and Patrol merits).

Dont think we rely on the merits only, Infact Merits are looked at last.

Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on March 25, 2011, 18:20:45 pm
You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.

You obviously haven't read at all. Please spot one area where we've said we'll judge the entire performance based off reports, you fail to recognize that referring to something when making a decision is different to relying on something when doing so.
 
''Judging performance based on reports'' - It seems I have to answer the same question over and over again. What is the point of the system? Not so the Command Staff can egotistically go inactive and put their faith and trust in this system.

The Merit system, is a system the LVPD uses as a 'reference' to see how Officers are doing on the forum / during in game. Points are rewarded for certain things, such as Patrol reports, Dispatch reports, desk assignments. We do not use the Merit system as a prime reference to award/promote during ceremonies, but as a sort of 'back up' data about the work of each Officer.

Please read the words underlined, if thats manageable enough for you to do. As you see nothing has changed from the Awarding system, this is an additional feature to show that even when Command Staff is not online (And you talk about a 'robotic' system, I do not believe Command Staff is robotic enough to be playing twenty four seven, seven days a week)  the Officers can expect to be praised and seen for their work, this isn't an excuse to go inactive and leave your members aimlessly doing police work while you sit back relying on some system made up of a couple of sentences to handle the awarding and judgement of your Officers.

''I know what I'm talking about'' - You obviously do not, as you simply skimmed over the topic and made up a hypothesis and then implying that the SAPD Leaders have made some sort of 'robotic' system which kills your so called 'Shoot everything that moves' kind of fun. So in the end if you were so 'high' and 'mighty' yourself, how did you end up being 'pressurized' (as you would say) into resigning, obviously lack of results seen from you.

Moving on, ''Being told to do SAPD <Rank> work'' - Why do you think you were 'Criticized' as you seem to think? Did you think every person who told you to do so was wrong? Obviously not. You seem to pick up a 'so called' problem of others, but you fail to analyse your own. Did you think being on such a rank would be a piece of cake? If you think so, perhaps you should look up the jobs of such ranks, was there any proper administration in your own work? Well if there was, why would anyone complain? You talk about laziness, but why were there complaints about you 'Not doing work'? Obvious signs of laziness.
  Further more you complain about Hank turning SAPD into some robotic group, where can you point a finger and prove he has? I would love to see it. There is a difference than being right and just complaining because of a chain of events that didn't go to your liking, and I am sure for a good reason. Trying to get a point across (if you call it that) doesn't mean capitalizing words to try seem right, and stating; 'Do shit the proper way', is that some way to just put together some sentences to try put your opinion across to the opposite party even though in this case there isn't any, being that you have no clue what you're actually talking about. You say that Chief Rafferty is apparently doing a bad job, but can you state your work or 'knowledge' of everything as you think is superior than his, I would take it as a 'No', as if it was, you may of still been here, fight for things you have an interest in, because you clearly have shown you are not as you chucked your duties over your shoulder because they were too much for you.

Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: ThomasHumphreys on March 25, 2011, 22:12:39 pm
This ain't Call of Duty where each 50 Kills/Arrests equals a Promotion.

I guess it makes it easier to identify the best members in their Ranks by the number of merits he has.

A Sergeant could be a good supervisor and example to other Officers by having several Merits,
but that doesn't mean he should be promoted for it as he may not be a better Lieutenant.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Leroy Hudson on March 25, 2011, 22:43:20 pm
The concept of it is to not promote people due to merits, and you're talking about Command positions which would require a more thorough view than some points, but even so, for regular Officers the points aren't used for promotions. This system is here to provide assurance that their work is watched and not overlooked. I do not know however where rumors of people being so highly rewarded (with promotions) is coming from, as this system certainly isn't implemented for that, but for the above. Also as you see some Departments Command teams are not as big, thus making it hard to see everyone, with such a system to take effect would mean they can try their best to view everything they can and form a view of the current work of Officers and have this system back their theory up, if it doesn't they can retrace why.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Nexus Riggs on March 26, 2011, 00:03:31 am
I don't "suck up to my leaders for rank and benefits",  but if you pointlessly show attitude and stupid criticism to someone there should be thoughts about it as well. If you care about SAPD so much why don't you really reinstate yourself in it? in my opinion with this kind of attitudes you won't fit for such position, it won't be steady.
Title: Re: New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!
Post by: Nicholas Baker on March 26, 2011, 07:36:20 am
Seriously Guys.

How many times do we have to Explain?

There's no Command staff wich works around the clock, So that means. We cannot see all our Officers Work.
Due to the Merit system we can. You also can get Additional money from the merit system.

Its not like: Oh Player X has the most merits lets Promote him. Not at all.

Seriously get the concept of the merit system. Around 5 people keep saying its used to promote people. Ask all department members wich actually uses the system And compare their Opninions with those who dont use the system (You guys)
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