New SAPD Awarding system - 2011!

[Leroy Hudson]

Concerns on this system being too complicated have been cleared, before this was even implemented in one Department, it was thought out of, thinking of each possibility of difficulties, and it is fine for use.

Also, remember, that the merits shouldn't be something to rely on for rewards, the CMD must try to check the Officers work on the field, if they cannot do so, then they should resort to the 'statistics' (Merits).

[RockStracci]

This is one thing that piss me off.. yes it is a GAME and not a IRL Life MUST-PLAY GAME.

We play this for FUN, and it's meant to be FUN in game, but with all these stuff on FORUMS, with reports and more on-going, it's not getting more fun but rather! More nervous! Because you must like write down everything you do to report it.. and that's annoying... let fun live, and paper work go away.. why do you make things more complicated and less fun for players?

Ever since the re-formation to PDs, yes by one point it is helpful because there are cities with more activity as it has it's own cops and team now, HOWEVER it's SOO Complicated that looses the FUN... as you have got 'tasks' and stuff.. to write so many things...

Seriously, It is a game and should not be so 'serious' and so complicated... I hope you get what I mean.. Nothing personal against usage of forums, I like using forums or etc.. but NO need for people to have SO much complicated things.. like so many reports.. here and there..

Now, to add from last comment.. since Hank recalls this a little more competition, No.. this 'ULTRA COMPETITION' from everybody will just be annoying and everyone will go stats-hungry, thinking that the more merits they got, the best cops they are.. but that's so false...

This is an RP Server if I can remind you... and Roleplay means; Having Fun INGAME... How can you call this a little more competition hank? Please give me an answer..

Please DON'T go telling me; NOBODY Enforces you to do this, so just don't do it (apply etc.)..I'm speaking for everything/everyone in general, and not just for my self..

[Swig]

This is one thing that piss me off.. yes it is a GAME and not a IRL Life MUST-PLAY GAME.

We play this for FUN, and it's meant to be FUN in game, but with all these stuff on FORUMS, with reports and more on-going, it's not getting more fun but rather! More nervous! Because you must like write down everything you do to report it.. and that's annoying... let fun live, and paper work go away.. why do you make things more complicated and less fun for players?

Ever since the re-formation to PDs, yes by one point it is helpful because there are cities with more activity as it has it's own cops and team now, HOWEVER it's SOO Complicated that looses the FUN... as you have got 'tasks' and stuff.. to write so many things...

Seriously, It is a game and should not be so 'serious' and so complicated... I hope you get what I mean.. Nothing personal against usage of forums, I like using forums or etc.. but NO need for people to have SO much complicated things.. like so many reports.. here and there..

Now, to add from last comment.. since Hank recalls this a little more competition, No.. this 'ULTRA COMPETITION' from everybody will just be annoying and everyone will go stats-hungry, thinking that the more merits they got, the best cops they are.. but that's so false...

This is an RP Server if I can remind you... and Roleplay means; Having Fun INGAME... How can you call this a little more competition hank? Please give me an answer..

Please DON'T go telling me; NOBODY Enforces you to do this, so just don't do it (apply etc.)..I'm speaking for everything/everyone in general, and not just for my self..

We do not force anyone to write reports etc of what you do ingame.
This is a system to show who is the hardworkers, who want to earn something. It's a helpfull system for the command staff to see who earns promotions/awards for their work, because they are doing it.

If you dont want to write reports and forums work, don't do it. We are not allowed to fire someone for not writing reports, but we are allowed to not promote people who are not writing reports / working for it.

I think its fun to write repors and make the job more realistic and i know also that im talking about others who like to report in their work so others can see what they have done.

[Hank_Rafferty]

Rock, tell me where it is breaking your fun. If you are tired of forums why you visiting it? You can still have the officer rank without opening the forums. Im sorry for breaking the dream, but the medal system is only recorded on forums (theres no /rank *medal* IG). If you dont want to do extra work to take some funny assignments and earn bonus money... up to you.

You complaining about something that is not enforced, and its just helping the Command team work. If you put the effort.. work for the SAPD, its really up to you.


The police RP is basicly a job in ArgonathRPG, and with the rewarding system.. you can win medals and money. We have rules to prevent abuse.

[Leroy Hudson]

Its nothing to get worried about, as you think as 'writing up reports' thats just an example of use. As I have said, and will say again, this is a reference to help the Command staff of your Department.

With this system they have aid to see who is doing well, when the CMD doesn't have time to see how the Officers were doing on the field.

Its better that the Command is sure on the awards they're giving rather than being unsure, and not giving someone an award, who has worked hard.

Read the use, before you comment, this is not about doing forum work only, your Department can set you any task they'd like, and award you a merit as they like.

[RockStracci]

Well, more annoying to me it is because I got a slight type of Dislexia and it's still hard for me to write correct in any of the languages I know !, and which is caused by the past ADHD (That's why I also never write in forms but just sentences and most of the times, in incorrect grammar!)... But oh well.

Now, for the fact you say it's not forceful, on Applications your people claim to deny people who don't update their application for 7 days (And WITHOUT a report but a single bump also)! I believe this should have atleast a 10-days or even a 14-days limit.. Sometimes I don't even have time or mood to sit on PC, play, patrol to report back on my application just for it to not be denied! Because I'm really interested to join the force this is a 'force' thing to me..

And again, I've seen the 'desks' of officers/people (In private department forums) receiving warnings then ending up being fired for not having posted such a 'report' I was saying before.. That's what I have been talking about <<

And yea, When I get over to Officer rank (and if that ever happens!) I will not be visiting forums that much, but rather have more activity and more fun in-game! Money is not something I need, neither I need any further tasks 
Also to add on this; If I don't even visit forums I'll never be able to get to make it to SAPD Officer rank..!

At least! I am happy this is Argonath and NOT the other known server... (XX-RP), because people there require people to spend many hours on game, and they are like making people there have no social life, but an e-game life! Anyway...

I hope I do not sound any strange, but that's just my view, and nothing personal against you all here 

[[Rstar]Vince]

Why are you speaking in such a manner Rock? If I'm not mistaken you were previously apart of LVPD which has a work style such as this. Also the only time your grammar has seemed 'off' to me is in what you are writing now, no other times.. as if you are doing it on purpose to get attention. Is that the truth?

[RockStracci]

Even in LVPD I was not writing that many reports, and Hank was aware of that

OK, I didn't know that opinions were 'seek-attention' posts to you.
Erased my posts, since you don't need any 'attention whores' do you?

Nobody can judge me, people who criticize me, just don't know me! Because if you knew me good, you would see I'm not such a person, and I don't even need attention
If you call every opinion a 'seek-attention', then really I don't see a point having a discussion here anymore. If people can't get me serious, and call me a attention seeker... no need.
Bye topic!

[[Rstar]Vince]

I'm not calling you anything, I'm just saying it seems you're purposely trying to make yourself sound a certain way...

[RockStracci]

Never done it before, and I don't even have a reason to 

[GiacJr]

You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.

[James Bowling]

\Giac I said the same thing when I first looked at it... but when you really examin the idea and you look at what they recieve and what they do... it is a good system... not nearly as easy to keep track of but it works and it's a step to the future.

[Leroy Hudson]

The Merit system, is a system the LVPD uses as a 'reference' to see how Officers are doing on the forum / during in game. Points are rewarded for certain things, such as Patrol reports, Dispatch reports, desk assignments. We do not use the Merit system as a prime reference to award/promote during ceremonies, but as a sort of 'back up' data about the work of each Officer.

As you see it is not made to make a robotic function of the Department, it is there to make sure NO Officers work is overlooked. We have not and will not ever rely on some system of points to judge our Officers. This is a re-assurance system that each Officer isn't excluded from view. Hope that answers your concerns, the Chief isn't looking to make SAPD a robot group, instead it is turning flexible and more open in general, giving new cops opportunities and support and actually offering something to Officers to join SAPD for.

[Edward Miller]

This is bullshit, okey if there's officer who's nolifing and just shooting suspects 24/7, he is most active officer in SAPD and he reaches Sergeant/Lieutenant rank and then everything f**ks up because he have no f**king idea what to do.

[Leroy Hudson]

This is bullshit, okey if there's officer who's nolifing and just shooting suspects 24/7, he is most active officer in SAPD and he reaches Sergeant/Lieutenant rank and then everything f**ks up because he have no f**king idea what to do.

Did you even read before posting?

We do not use the Merit system as a prime reference to award/promote during ceremonies, but as a sort of 'back up' data about the work of each Officer.

And obviously, you think we'd be so naive that we'd use it to promote people up to Sergeant/Lieutenant?


And you don't just simply 'be active' you also need to do work to receive merits.

[Edward Miller]

I R&U but it's good at it is, if you want make anything better for SAPD give applicants tests or something before accepting to cadet.

[Leroy Hudson]

it's good at it is, if you want make anything better for SAPD give applicants tests or something before accepting to cadet.

Thats not what Officers claim when they think they're not given enough attention.

And have you been in hibernation all this time? They give you an interview before accepting you to Cadet status which decides if you will go on to be Cadet or not and how soon.

[GiacJr]

You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.

[Nexus Riggs]

You left, and no longer are welcomed to give your constant unnecessary, fight provoking commentary. Failure to shut your big mouth will result in a forum ban. - Your best friend.

Totally disagree, Captain Leroy Hudson actually fulfills his duty and roles. If you had such permission to CURRENTLY view his work you would admire it. Your putting someone down, criticizing someone wrong way, understand authentication of his Rank and remember it was also you in that rank previously and how others looked at your performance. He's managing a whole Department, responsibility is not irrelevant, something huge- like load of sandbags in your head. He is one of the best Captain seen so far..

About merit system, it's totally perfect. It's to see if Officers fulfills there duties as it refers from SAPD Regulations and Administration that you patrol when on duty. Merit system gives officer encouragements to do more activities with'in his department and merit award actually pays officers commission (RP) as they would in the real life.

[Matthew Adams]

I kind of have to agree. The old award system made alot more sense.