Argonath RPG Police Department
Information => News & Announcements => Topic started by: James Bowling on June 21, 2012, 16:30:16 pm
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This decision was not made with the Support of Ronnel / Jasakka so therefor it can be reversed. In times of panic us Argonathorins have been know to rage forums and make some very stupid comments. (Ex: any server hacking or shutdown for more than 12 hours) Everyone needs to just relax and process the fact that people are looking out for the best for us and will come and support us. Unill then everyone put on their little blue hat get in a patrol car and show Argonath how the most Highly Trained Freecops Role play and dont let me catch anyone acting like some 4 day old new guy run and gunning all over the place.
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Besides... lets just enjoy the fact that for the time being there would be no: assignments, patrol reports and (for the sergeants) weekly department review and mandatory organized patrol reports that needs to be done until this whole mess has been fixed. Remember that everyone is being reviewed, not fired.
So let us all just calm down and wait and see what happens next from here.
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Besides... lets just enjoy the fact that for the time being there would be no: assignments, patrol reports and (for the sergeants) weekly department review and mandatory organized patrol reports that needs to be done until this whole mess has been fixed. Remember that everyone is being reviewed, not fired.
So let us all just calm down and wait and see what happens next from here.
Yes....And the lockdown is made for a reason , so let it be so and enjoy...
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This should be a lesson for regulations-breakers, SAPD is an elite organization with rules.. It doesn't have limitations on role-play, but limitations on crossing the line.
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Understand that some members of the upper command did not know of these things happening and it came to us as a shock just as to you. However we will try to find out what the best course of action and how to resolve this immediately. Do not come to me or others for answers as we do not just have them yet.
Be patient and trust in your command, this will be fixed very shortly. As for those who are speculating and spreading rumours please stop causing a mass panic attack, NO ONE is fired yet.... to my understanding everyone is being vetted and reviewed.
Signed,
Captain Kenny
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Understand that some members of the upper command did not know of these things happening and it came to us as a shock just as to you. However we will try to find out what the best course of action and how to resolve this immediately. Do not come to me or others for answers as we do not just have them yet.
Be patient and trust in your command, this will be fixed very shortly. As for those who are speculating and spreading rumours please stop causing a mass panic attack, NO ONE is fired yet.... to my understanding everyone is being vetted and reviewed.
Signed,
Captain Kenny
I sign under that as well.
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I'm more scared that panicked or in a rage mood... :(
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Understand that some members of the upper command did not know of these things happening and it came to us as a shock just as to you. However we will try to find out what the best course of action and how to resolve this immediately. Do not come to me or others for answers as we do not just have them yet.
Be patient and trust in your command, this will be fixed very shortly. As for those who are speculating and spreading rumours please stop causing a mass panic attack, NO ONE is fired yet.... to my understanding everyone is being vetted and reviewed.
Signed,
Captain Kenny
I sign under that as well.
Thats all that needed to be said on this issue.
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These situations can bring out the worse in players but just keep in mind what is important.
Go ingame and have fun!
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Does this mean people have to follow SAPD regs since peopleare arpd officers now.
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This topic should have not been open for public. Expect another shitstorm incoming.
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Does this mean people have to follow SAPD regs since peopleare arpd officers now.
From what I have heard all SAPD are on review so you should still comply to SAPD regulations. Just don't go too crazy :D
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This topic should have not been open for public. Expect another shitstorm incoming.
There was no shitstorm? :trust:
Anyway, I think I made my point in another topic that has been recently locked, I don't see where it is going to 'shit' as I think the SAPD are all fully trained members.
We'll see what time brings..
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I'm more scared that panicked or in a rage mood... :(
:cry: :cry: :(
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What irritates me, is that the low ranks always to take the blame.
Take us, cadets as the example. We had no idea what is going on since we dont have any access to some boards. Yet, we have been revoked badges and are left in the uknown with a constant wonder of what the hell is going on.
But no-one dared to touch Captains, as i said in other topic, when they're pretty much the ones to take blame, if they can oversee major breach of procedures and serious misconduct of the officers in their departament.
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Does this mean people have to follow SAPD regs since peopleare arpd officers now.
Depends. If you wis to remain in ARPD, by all means do not follow the extra SAPD rules.
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What irritates me, is that the low ranks always to take the blame.
Take us, cadets as the example. We had no idea what is going on since we dont have any access to some boards. Yet, we have been revoked badges and are left in the uknown with a constant wonder of what the hell is going on.
But no-one dared to touch Captains, as i said in other topic, when they're pretty much the ones to take blame, if they can oversee major breach of procedures and serious misconduct of the officers in their departament.
Your review is completed with this post.
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What irritates me, is that the low ranks always to take the blame.
Take us, cadets as the example. We had no idea what is going on since we dont have any access to some boards. Yet, we have been revoked badges and are left in the uknown with a constant wonder of what the hell is going on.
But no-one dared to touch Captains, as i said in other topic, when they're pretty much the ones to take blame, if they can oversee major breach of procedures and serious misconduct of the officers in their departament.
Your review is completed with this post.
Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
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I think I missed something somewhere! I'll read through the forums and take a look :lol:
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As always, people are only thinking of short term effects. Remember, these things happen to allow for good Long Term effects to take place. This is very much like what happens in a real police department, we have a yearly review of our conduct, actions and work ethic and these reviews are meant to give officers an understanding of not only their weak points, but their positives as well. We are all guilty at some point or another of doing something questionable, but the key point is we need to show we understand the mistakes and can improve. The SAPD Command only want to ensure quality over quantity, and many of you forget that people have been complaining and asking for something like this for a while. Trust in the Command staff like Flameman and Kenny have said and you will have no problems, trying to pass blame around or starting rumours about this sort of thing only digs you a deeper grave.
Remember, Fun is #1, if you get angry about such things like this, remember you are not alone and go take a little rest. We are all in the same boat together :)
And to add on to posts that were posted well I typed this up. There is a difference between making a big deal about issues with command staff, and reporting it properly. Although the current system may not be perfect, there is always ways to improve it. And as SAPD members your job is not only to support SAPD in game, but to also provide feedback in order to improve it. SAPD is made up of many people from many nationalities, how you approach another person about an issue may not come across the same to them as you intend it to, be it the language barrier, or maybe just the customs or habits of your particular self.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
@ Max
There is a time and a place for everything. Sometimes promoting things publicly is not the best thing to do. Although you may feel it is your right to do so, you must look at an alternative way to express an opinion, such as a private talk. I agree with you, people need to be able to express their opinions, this is the only way we can have positive changes and improvements, but as I say, there is a time and place for everything and right now we have bigger issues to deal with :)
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Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
You don't know anything about what SAPD Uppder-cmd staff does. So keep your bullshit for yourself. Every post I see from you on this forum is about moaning, blaming others and making bullshit critizm.. I wonder why you are not forum muted yet.
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You don't know anything about what SAPD Uppder-cmd staff does. So keep your bullshit for yourself. Every post I see from you on this forum is about moaning, blaming others and making bullshit critizm..
Beat me to it there.
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Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
You don't know anything about what SAPD Uppder-cmd staff does. So keep your bullshit for yourself. Every post I see from you on this forum is about moaning, blaming others and making bullshit critizm.. I wonder why you are not forum muted yet.
I have been here enough as a actual freecop, to understand how things works over here, even if i never made it to SAPD. Why dont you actually look into the mirror? Your forum posts are greedy, full of harshness and rudeness, yet you accuse me of something like that.
If you agree to take the blame for someone elses faults, and to be afraid to stand up and fight for yourself, express what you think is really bad and what sould be improoved., than even reforming SAPD 600 times will not fix its issues.
If not people like you, probably this whole thing wouldnt even have happened.
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Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
You don't know anything about what SAPD Uppder-cmd staff does. So keep your bullshit for yourself. Every post I see from you on this forum is about moaning, blaming others and making bullshit critizm.. I wonder why you are not forum muted yet.
I have been here enough as a actual freecop, to understand how things works over here, even if i never made it to SAPD. Why dont you actually look into the mirror? Your forum posts are greedy, full of harshness and rudeness, yet you accuse me of something like that.
If you agree to take the blame for someone elses faults, and to be afraid to stand up and fight for yourself, express what you think is really bad and what sould be improoved., than even reforming SAPD 600 times will not fix its issues.
If not people like you, probably this whole thing wouldnt even have happened.
Please stop spamming the forums to raise your post count. Thanks
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Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
You don't know anything about what SAPD Uppder-cmd staff does. So keep your bullshit for yourself. Every post I see from you on this forum is about moaning, blaming others and making bullshit critizm.. I wonder why you are not forum muted yet.
I have been here enough as a actual freecop, to understand how things works over here, even if i never made it to SAPD. Why dont you actually look into the mirror? Your forum posts are greedy, full of harshness and rudeness, yet you accuse me of something like that.
If you agree to take the blame for someone elses faults, and to be afraid to stand up and fight for yourself, express what you think is really bad and what sould be improoved., than even reforming SAPD 600 times will not fix its issues.
If not people like you, probably this whole thing wouldnt even have happened.
Please stop spamming the forums to raise your post count. Thanks
I'm not believing this....
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I have been here enough as a actual freecop, to understand how things works over here, even if i never made it to SAPD. Why dont you actually look into the mirror? Your forum posts are greedy, full of harshness and rudeness, yet you accuse me of something like that.
If you agree to take the blame for someone elses faults, and to be afraid to stand up and fight for yourself, express what you think is really bad and what sould be improoved., than even reforming SAPD 600 times will not fix its issues.
If not people like you, probably this whole thing wouldnt even have happened.
With all due respect, you are digging yourself in to a deeper hole. Arguing about things is just going to everything worse for people, especially since we are being reviewed on attitude :P
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From a new, unbiased(-ish) point of view, I'd like to make a logical point. If a reform is being done, then isn't it better to at least make it look like SAPD Upper Command is being reviewed? From a simple officers point of view, its basically saying that SAPD Cmd is a lot better than them, when it really isn't true.
In a more general scenario...if a company wasn't doing very well, and they reformed, then firing all the workers and keeping all the managers isn't necessarily going to help. Fire everyone, and re-hire them if the review deems them suitable for the task. Blaming the workforce happens everywhere...the government blames the public sector/services workers, and the people in the public services get angry about it.
If, even in a game, the people at the "top"(as much as you can be on top in a game), people act the same way, and blame the workers, then it is totally hypocritical.
History serves as a good lesson, to those who will listen to what it has to say.
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From a new, unbiased(-ish) point of view, I'd like to make a logical point. If a reform is being done, then isn't it better to at least make it look like SAPD Upper Command is being reviewed? From a simple officers point of view, its basically saying that SAPD Cmd is a lot better than them, when it really isn't true.
In a more general scenario...if a company wasn't doing very well, and they reformed, then firing all the workers and keeping all the managers isn't necessarily going to help. Fire everyone, and re-hire them if the review deems them suitable for the task. Blaming the workforce happens everywhere...the government blames the public sector/services workers, and the people in the public services get angry about it.
If, even in a game, the people at the "top"(as much as you can be on top in a game), people act the same way, and blame the workers, then it is totally hypocritical.
History serves as a good lesson, to those who will listen to what it has to say.
The upper command was only recently updated / appointed, making a review pretty much pointless seeing as that would have already been done in the last couple months by the Chief and Commissioner.
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@safetymoose Im pretty much fired for refusing to be fed by lies, how worse it can get?
@ben Finally someone who undetstands my point
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This should be a lesson for regulations-breakers, SAPD is an elite organization with rules.. It doesn't have limitations on role-play, but limitations on crossing the line.
Don't... :neutral:
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@ Moose:
In all fairness, people can appear to change...or remove a mask...within a very short amount of time. I've seen people get big-headed, and then also seen them lose that attitude.
If a review is made, then it should be a matter of protocol that it appears to look fair...even if people are not actually reviewed. All it takes is someone to remove a few forum ranks, and all the comments about command staff will stop. Within a week, add them back in, and people will be happier, as they think the command are actually suitable...
Simple manipulation ;)
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What irritates me, is that the low ranks always to take the blame.
Take us, cadets as the example. We had no idea what is going on since we dont have any access to some boards. Yet, we have been revoked badges and are left in the uknown with a constant wonder of what the hell is going on.
But no-one dared to touch Captains, as i said in other topic, when they're pretty much the ones to take blame, if they can oversee major breach of procedures and serious misconduct of the officers in their departament.
Your review is completed with this post.
Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
All you do Max is make stupid comments about what you presume is going on with command staff and how they're doing their jobs. You have no idea what's actually happening so you just presume they don't give a shit. I'm not just talking about this post, you do it all the time and I'm not sure if you've realised it yet but people are tired of it so just do yourself a favour and stop...
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I am not suprised to see a lockdown, I am suprised that you are reviewing lower command and below as it is their fault. That is what bothers me. Captains have the responsiblity to lead a department to success with aid from lieutenents and sergeants. These people are the superiors of the department and they are the ones who must lead by example. If the Captain goes right, his members will follow him as they see it as a correct move. Same applies for Lieutenent and Sergeant. Your moves are being checked by your officers and senior officers. What you do seems right to them. The ironic thing in this is that officers are being verbally punished for trolling, inappriopate behavior when they are only doing what their superiors are doing. Before you ask, no I can not support my accusions with evidence but I have several people who can act as my witnesses.
You seem to not lose as a team, more likely searching for one group to blame. The leader leads his/her team, his members follow him. The team failed, the leader failed. Cadets are doing what they are being tought and what they experience from the Academy. Officers are doing their duty by what they are told and been tought. You who are left, SAPD upper-command, obviously failed to repair the damage in time or lost the control of it.
SAPD have an academy that accepts almost every officer as instructor, the funny thing is they are not even being watched how they teaching out. They have a handbook to follow. Copy & paste - Done, Cadet moving on to next session. The cadet have not learnt anything from that session, as the instructor have no experience nor have been given a clear outline how to teach out.
SAPD have an application procedure there it is more focused on correct application format then the actual information inside it. Applicants get denied because they had written the text below the question instead of next to it. Instead of focus on the relevant you put focus on the things that does not need focus at all.
Applicants meet a rough attitude from academy management, why do you think cadets enter the academy with a wierd attitude? Because that is how they got approached.
Lead by example. Consider your moves and actions.
Example is not the main thing in influencing others, it is the only thing. - Albert Schweitzer
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Yall Know this topics named Remain Calm not "lets all argue"
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I am not suprised to see a lockdown, I am suprised that you are reviewing lower command and below as it is their fault. That is what bothers me. Captains have the responsiblity to lead a department to success with aid from lieutenents and sergeants. These people are the superiors of the department and they are the ones who must lead by example. If the Captain goes right, his members will follow him as they see it as a correct move. Same applies for Lieutenent and Sergeant. Your moves are being checked by your officers and senior officers. What you do seems right to them. The ironic thing in this is that officers are being verbally punished for trolling, inappriopate behavior when they are only doing what their superiors are doing. Before you ask, no I can not support my accusions with evidence but I have several people who can act as my witnesses.
You seem to not lose as a team, more likely searching for one group to blame. The leader leads his/her team, his members follow him. The team failed, the leader failed. Cadets are doing what they are being tought and what they experience from the Academy. Officers are doing their duty by what they are told and been tought. You who are left, SAPD upper-command, obviously failed to repair the damage in time or lost the control of it.
SAPD have an academy that accepts almost every officer as instructor, the funny thing is they are not even being watched how they teaching out. They have a handbook to follow. Copy & paste - Done, Cadet moving on to next session. The cadet have not learnt anything from that session, as the instructor have no experience nor have been given a clear outline how to teach out.
SAPD have an application procedure there it is more focused on correct application format then the actual information inside it. Applicants get denied because they had written the text below the question instead of next to it. Instead of focus on the relevant you put focus on the things that does not need focus at all.
Applicants meet a rough attitude from academy management, why do you think cadets enter the academy with a wierd attitude? Because that is how they got approached.
Lead by example. Consider your moves and actions.
Example is not the main thing in influencing others, it is the only thing. - Albert Schweitzer
THANK YOU GOD! One more person getting my point!..
All you do Max is make stupid comments about what you presume is going on with command staff and how they're doing their jobs. You have no idea what's actually happening so you just presume they don't give a shit. I'm not just talking about this post, you do it all the time and I'm not sure if you've realised it yet but people are tired of it so just do yourself a favour and stop...
Do you know what words forum means? It means a discussion, and in a discussion, people usually state their opinions and feelings about a certain topic, which at this point , is a SAPD lockdown.
If you feel that my opinion is unacceptable to you - do not read it, and yet, dont waste your time replying to it. And you know , you have just basically said the same thing Cyril just said. "Be like others and be cool".
I dont think this applies in this situation.
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The last thing you want to do during this time is to begin arguments against the Command Staff. I'm not one to defend anyone, but this will end up getting worse as time progresses.
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Keep it civilized or this topic will be locked. And you were warned..
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The last thing you want to do during this time is to begin arguments against the Command Staff. I'm not one to defend anyone, but this will end up getting worse as time progresses.
Like the economy, LOL. :evil:
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The last thing you want to do during this time is to begin arguments against the Command Staff. I'm not one to defend anyone, but this will end up getting worse as time progresses.
Ok, so lets just sit down and let ourselves be blamed for what happened.. Sorry, i'm not that type, hate me or not.
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The last thing you want to do during this time is to begin arguments against the Command Staff. I'm not one to defend anyone, but this will end up getting worse as time progresses.
Ok, so lets just sit down and let ourselves be blamed for what happened.. Sorry, i'm not that type, hate me or not.
No one is being blamed directly. It's a review and reconstruction with only command members commencing the rebuild.
It could be handled differently, however they chose this way.
The last thing you want to do during this time is to begin arguments against the Command Staff. I'm not one to defend anyone, but this will end up getting worse as time progresses.
Like the economy, LOL. :evil:
Yep, that's exactly right! :rofl:
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Are you now trying to say that we cannot say anything against the command staff? To be honest the only ones trying to do something in the departament were Jaaska and Paul, all others just watched and followed orders, instead of trying to do something. Yet, we, Cadets and Officers are the ones that have to pay for their mistakes.
I will give you a little bit more brief description of my opinion.
A SAPD Captain is supposed to lead a certain SAPD Sub-departament alongside with his other SAPD duties. He has to make sure that there are no misconducts in his departament, and if there are, to deal with those people performing those misconducts accordingly.
Now, did you see that scandal on Argonath forums with that "LSPD special patrol"? When SAPD officers took clown skins, took a bus and started abusing everyone and everywhere? Now, if a captain could have overlooked such a major breach of regulations, do you think he is eligible for his duties?
IF those captains or whoever was in charge, would have punished those , that have performed misconducts, do you think such a step like this would be required? Would i now be posting in this topic defending myself and my opinion? No.
I do not really see how expressing my opinion without actually shitting on someone is making me uneligible for duties.
Expressing opinion are welcome believe me myself more than anyone. But then again are they based on facts or what you assume....you claim that LSPD members were not punished for their actions, maybe you should crawl back to the grave you came from. If you are right then please write a guide and if you are afraid to post it in public then PM it to me, explain what the captain job is so we can do it your way...
You claim that "we are paying for mistakes" please elaborate on what price you are paying ? what is the fee set at so i can reduce it maybe you can climb the ladder and take my position. if you have taken your time to read you would have understood that no one is actually fired but merely being vetted and under review....
If you want to express opinion then base it on facts and show us and to the world where is it that you come up with these ridiculous accusation, if you cannot back up your claim then expect a forum ban too.
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Greatly said, Kenny.
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Guys, we are a team. We should treat eachother as friends, not a rival person..
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I'm stating my facts by what i see is going on. Basically all of the SAPD staff are forced to carry the fault of some misconduct done by some officers.
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If one of us violated, we violated. If one of us failed, we failed. If one of us succeeded, we succeeded.
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Whatever happens, happens for good, so yes, everybody should calm down and enjoy this period, Do not forget, a person's rank is not judged by /rank, but his status in the community, keep up the everyday life, and surely people will respect you. I may have lost my rank along with everyone else today, but I still get treated as a Senior Officer, and I hope all other members are receiving the same respect. Just don't panic and everything will be ok. :) Maybe time we learn some new stuff as well. ;)
:ps: To the guys arguing in this topic : Quit it, it should never be an eye for an eye, you're only feeding the ones who provoke.
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The "We're paying for some officers misconduct" logic does not stand. You seem to forget SAPD is a big team, and everyone, Cadet + affects it with it's actions. You also seem to forget many other things; respect, matureness, co-operation. If you knew about misconducts before then you should've done something about it, instead of covering them. Now it's too late, so we'll have to make sure everyone is set to the standards of a SAPD Officer..
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If the SAPD is a team, then it rises and falls as a team.
If something is wrong with it, then it is EVERYBODY'S fault. So, everyone should be dealt with equally...yes, everyone.
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If the SAPD is a team, then it rises and falls as a team.
If something is wrong with it, then it is EVERYBODY'S fault. So, everyone should be dealt with equally...yes, everyone.
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I can kind of see both sides. While I agree with the decision taken as it means the SAPD can be sorted out, I do think that the way the situation's been handled makes things seem like every single member of the SAPD has done wrong, which I'm fairly sure isn't the case.
One thing I will say is that people should have been informed via a private message or similar about this. Not being funny but when I sign into here and see my rights are gone I think "OH MY GOD I'VE BEEN FIRED". Things could have been said better. CMD need to make sure to actually inform people about what is going on (please do not interpret this as me telling you how to do your job as this is not how I mean it.)
RE: rising and falling as a team. That is true to an extent, but there are limits to that. If a few people are being general idiots and disrespectful, can you honestly say that that's everyone's fault? I don't think it is.
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erm well then,not somethin i expected,then again we need a reorganization.
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Do you know what words forum means? It means a discussion, and in a discussion, people usually state their opinions and feelings about a certain topic, which at this point , is a SAPD lockdown.
If you feel that my opinion is unacceptable to you - do not read it, and yet, dont waste your time replying to it. And you know , you have just basically said the same thing Cyril just said. "Be like others and be cool".
I dont think this applies in this situation.
A forum means a place of assembly. You show complete ignorance in every post, which means that you are correct that someone made a mistake accepting you as cadet.
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Showing ignorance? I'm actually trying to find a solution to something that is going on. Besides, i have been accepted by the Deputy Chief, i dont think he would make mistakes on that one.
I am trying to proove my point, that if somoene is getting their rank revoked during this locked down, than everyone should have punished equally, not just people with lower ranks, just as Ben and others said.
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Max, everyone got accepted in your wave :lol: Nothing special with being accepted by the Deputy Chief!
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I don't see why some people see this as a "punishement".. You shouldn't take this as a punishement, but as a way to PROVE yourself and SAPD Cmd staff that you are worth being part of SAPD by successfully passing the "tests / exams / trainings" they are planning to do and by showing you are mature enough with a good attitude, etc.
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Max, everyone got accepted in your wave :lol: Nothing special with being accepted by the Deputy Chief!
I actually got accepted in few minutes after applying, there are some reasons for it im not up to discuss..
Anyways, i have tried to proove my point but people fail to understand it. I do not meant to have it like "OOOH CMD STAFF IS BAD FIRE FIRE!". I mean that if everyone get their rank removed, then everyone or either no-one.. Therefor, i'll try to leave this discussion as it is to avoid further arguments. Adios.
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I don't think this will solve the issue.
I'm just making an unbiased point here, how does firing Cadets improve the SAPD?
Surely it's the Command Staff who should have been swapped around first to give it a try.
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Like Cyril said, you shouldn't see this as a punishment, but as a chance to be apart of a better SAPD in general.
And I don't see why you are arguing here, really...
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Like Cyril said, you shouldn't see this as a punishment, but as a chance to be apart of a better SAPD in general.
And I don't see why you are arguing here, really...
The cadets doesn't improve the SAPD, the leaders does.
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Like Cyril said, you shouldn't see this as a punishment, but as a chance to be apart of a better SAPD in general.
And I don't see why you are arguing here, really...
The cadets doesn't improve the SAPD, the leaders does.
The leaders has been cadets to, everyone improves SAPD in any way, no matter what rank.
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Max, everyone got accepted in your wave :lol: Nothing special with being accepted by the Deputy Chief!
I actually got accepted in few minutes after applying, there are some reasons for it im not up to discuss..
Anyways, i have tried to proove my point but people fail to understand it. I do not meant to have it like "OOOH CMD STAFF IS BAD FIRE FIRE!". I mean that if everyone get their rank removed, then everyone or either no-one.. Therefor, i'll try to leave this discussion as it is to avoid further arguments. Adios.
I fail to see how it's only the lower ranks being punished here. Everyone up to Lieutenant has had their rank removed and are under review, and then they plan to review all of Command Staff once we have been reviewed. This is a combined effort to restructure the entire SAPD for the better of all us, we are ONE team, not ONE individual. If you honestly have this big bias towards what the command staff is doing you shouldn't have been accepted in the first place. Accept the changes their making, and realize they're for the better of the majority.
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Showing ignorance? I'm actually trying to find a solution to something that is going on. Besides, i have been accepted by the Deputy Chief, i dont think he would make mistakes on that one.
I am trying to proove my point, that if somoene is getting their rank revoked during this locked down, than everyone should have punished equally, not just people with lower ranks, just as Ben and others said.
You shouldn't be so full of ego about who accepted you, doesn't matter even if president did. Instead be proud of your achievements, if you're so proud of the chief accepting you, its time you prove that you were actually worth it.
As for me, I only see it as clean up, as we discussed today IG, a part of a random discussion, along with some fellow SAPD members from different departments, it was came to notice that actually only some 45 members of SAPD (that does include high ranks) were active. However, if you look at the lists now, most are filled, and I wouldn't wonder even if the current member count goes as high as 300. So the tough decision will only remove those inactive ones for the moment.
Secondly, if someone asks me, even I'm afraid of losing my job, no matter how much I delivered on the field, I didn't updated my desk on time, and now I regret that. Many others officers will come out like that. However the thing said by Plam, that each and every member of SAPD will go through tests, gave a relief somehow, its time to prove ourselves once again, and I sure as heck am better than I was when I first became a part of SAPD, If I did it once, I can do it again.
As of now, I'm worried about the academy mainly, as SAPD Academy has currently been completely demolished, and I enjoyed teaching cadets about the procedures and laws, and share my experiences in SAPD with them. I'm worried about making training reports as there is no usable format, I'm worried about the applicants who have applied and might join the organized patrols, but nothing will be posted by the leaders of the patrols or trainings on their application, since we currently have no templates to do so.
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Im not being proud or cocky, im defending myself against Ronnels statement
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Im not being proud or cocky, im defending myself against Ronnels statement
Well then you will enjoy whats coming to you next.
Topic Locked ; SAPD Upper Command or The Chief;s Office will make an announcement soon until then you will need to be patient and wait for the outcome.
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For those wondering..
The SAPD CMD was already reviewed by Jaaskaa.