Little head-up to command staff, not a moan.

[Nexxt]

Hey guys, let me remind of guys of the fact, this is a game and not a real life police department. You hold a rank on the internet, you are not a cop in real life. I've seen things in the recent days, where people are required to play 40 hours a week (for example, they never said an amount of hours), to be called "active" and fit to join the "higher groups". Let me remind you about the fact, we have people working or going to school in real life, which was told to be more important than a game.

I've seen people withdrawing, being rejected for various reasons. Why would someone have to withdraw, because of he got "school"; the force should not make it hard for people, who are doing their jobs but cannot be online more than the time they spend in their real life.

This is not a moan, but a head-up. There are so much things, which looks extremely serious while it's still a game. The police job is serious, I understand, but looking at the fact this is a game, everyone should be able to join a "higher group" (such as SAPD or FBI) aslong as they are doing a good job.

But hey, ofcourse this will be seen as moan from my side and I will be blamed to shit on the SAPD because I got removed once. There was a time people enjoyed being in the SAPD and saw it as an ultimate goal; now people prefer to stay in the ARPD, because the SAPD asks to much from them.

/end

[Omar Aly]

Man with all respect to you and him, no one declined him, he just choose to withdraw his own application since he's starting school and can't be active. What does SAPD command have to do with this?

[[Rstar]Paul]

Hey guys, let me remind of guys of the fact, this is a game and not a real life police department

Likewise. It's a game with GTA rythmes..

You hold a rank on the internet, you are not a cop in real life.

Pretty sure most of us encompassed that point before we reached our computers in the first place.

I've seen things in the recent days, where people are required to play 40 hours a week (for example, they never said an amount of hours), to be called "active" and fit to join the "higher groups".

Please show us your evidence or names towards that within 48 hours. Otherwise the next moaning and complaining topic will get you banned for false assumptions despite the amount of assumptions you have initiated without even taking remorse of them after a series of warnings.

Let me remind you about the fact, we have people working or going to school in real life, which was told to be more important than a game.

That's clearly up to the applicants, not to us to decide whether they should go to school or not.

I've seen people withdrawing, being rejected for various reasons.

Does not compute with your argument. Otherwise it would because you got rejected when you got chances to keep your application under interest.

Why would someone have to withdraw, because of he got "school"; the force should not make it hard for people, who are doing their jobs but cannot be online more than the time they spend in their real life.

School should be priority. SAPD does not expect any kind of hours presented by the applicants, they are only required to show a simple sign of interest every 3-4 days.
I don't know where your getting information from, but you're not the one running the SAPD Application Management as far as i know.

This is not a moan, but a head-up. There are so much things, which looks extremely serious while it's still a game.

Please do not tell me it isn't a moan topic, but that has been said one million times. I believe your the one taking it serious by creating these topics.

The police job is serious, I understand, but looking at the fact this is a game, everyone should be able to join a "higher group" (such as SAPD or FBI) aslong as they are doing a good job.

SAPD is not a problematical, testing, tricky or a demanding group, follow the basic instructions and showing your interest is all it takes. FBI however is a bit more strict.

But hey, ofcourse this will be seen as moan from my side and I will be blamed to shit on the SAPD because I got removed once.

Unambiguously. not the first time it's been done. Not surprised at all to see a topic from you.

There was a time people enjoyed being in the SAPD and saw it as an ultimate goal; now people prefer to stay in the ARPD, because the SAPD asks to much from them.

The time you were acting like a fraudulent Academy Chief showing the best example out there towards the officers? Unable to agree with that.
I see no one moaning this far apart from you, you expect things to be going softy if you disagree with the decisions made.


SAPD has a contemporary system to follow in a disciplined way. Every applicant is required to meet the requirements or they will be pending.
Everyone has the chance to get in the SAPD, their chance will come when basic improvements have been made from their side.
Talking about 7 pages of application interest and data? No matter how many pages or data you have provided to show your interest, you will be required to follow the simple policies.


Get your facts straight and upright. Because at the moment, the only thing i understood was that you are complaining on how the SAPD application system is running which was made by me, Jaaskaa and Plam and telling us how to do our jobs.

Everyone who disagreed with SAPD command in this topic is not going to get any other position as officer for a long time.

Your 48 hours starts now. While your at it, read this to ruminate your hatred against SAPD..

Anyone who attempts to test out the SAPD Command's temper in this topic or any other place will end up in no good.
Think before you post. Hopefully nothing is taken to offence as the strictest way is much easier to communicate with if they do ignore the first warning of kindness.

- Would this criticize the work of the SAPD Command?
- Would this exceed the limitations of the SAPD / Argonath vision?

If you bring up false assumptions, please reconsider what you have posted. This is no opinion topic how things should be ran as everything is sorted out from scratch, nor suggestions will be considered unless they are beyond the Argonath vision. Whether you wish to argue or point out how good you are in bringing up assumptions, you are considered as a normal member.

SAPD Command are hard working members selected with full trust, no one dares to disrespect them or test them on how they work. Bringing up facts such as he is a new player to be in the SAPD or is a old player in the SAPD is just rubbish.. SAPD Command are similar to Argonath RPG Server Managers in a police wise. Suggestions and Ideas won't be accepted that easy, you won't be notified nor contacted if it is accepted or not. SAPD Command can sometimes get out of hand in terms of responses because there is too much stress for them and tasks for them to fill whilst others disrespect that.

Treat all policing with respect as much as you treat your boss. We do not limit anyone from posting something here, but do realize that you are in no position to consider what is right and what is wrong and how things should work. We are assigned for a duty, and that duty fills up the space of how SAPD should be running. The assignments mainly come from President Gandalf to me and Jaaskaa to process. Saying that this is not running good or he should not be here is a assumptions when you have no idea what you are trying to prove nor been to the SAPD Command to experience on what is happening.

Be proud that we are open police group instead of a strict force that has no ARPD officers and has a strict application process. Be enhanced by the leadership and fun that has been provided by the SAPD Developers. Be happy that you have a organization which offers you many experience with many opportunities. Be GLAD that you have a role in this department over others who TRY as much as they can to get in this organization. Be HAPPY that you have a SAPD Command being creative and supporting the leadership and developing the best ideas for their roles to fill up their duties. Be proud that you have a opportunity to learn a new role in various departments offering a entertainment center with creativity.

The SAPD officers are not supposed to be restrained to play such police role play characters as they want, but the command staff must show them the correct standards, and to prevent any abuse of the police power. The aim of SAPD is to have role play scenarios where both sides agrees on 'punishment' of the law, and all players "win", this includes all citizens, law enforcers and criminals. We must never forget we are playing for entertainment.

With the recent posts made by several people, they are considered as SAPD Command are children with no duties nor brains which is a punishable offence depending if you have been warned in the past or not.  Last thing is that you should never tell ANY SAPD Command member how to do their jobs.

We come here to relax and have fun with the current structure, and you should be thanking the people volunteering and giving their time in being more responsible for big steps to keep the policing side more stable. That is why our SAPD Command team are selected with full trust. Not agreeing with SAPD Command or attempting to be disobedient against them means you have no utter remorse of what you are showing.

[James Moretti]

Every server, or group, holds diffrent ... expectations.
I must say that Argonath's expectations are very high, and that a few days away without notifying, will be seen as inactivity.

Ofcourse, if people do not wish to reach the expectations, then they have to find a group with lower ones.
Its just that it could take 3 years to become SAPD captain, while in other servers it will take you a month.

I gues ... Argonath is still a world of its own 

[Jason Bridges]

people are required to play 40 hours a week (for example, they never said an amount of hours), to be called "active" and fit to join the "higher groups".

I'm pretty sure this isn't true because not many officers here play for 40 hours a week...

[Ben]

bad girles please, why is aggression always floating around?
Chill, earn money...and as a man once said to me:

Spend money on beer, women and cars...and you can waste the rest!


Though, if I were to offer a tip, it'd be...stop fiddling!
The SAPD was good with LSPD, SFPD and DPD...LVPD came in and it stretched out a bit, but whatever. Too many PD's mean no PD has enough people, and more people will decide to leave out of boredom.
Take it back to basics...maybe to DPD, SFPD, LSPD and LVPD again? 

[Plam Knight]

bad girles please, why is aggression always floating around?
Chill, earn money...and as a man once said to me:

Spend money on beer, women and cars...and you can waste the rest!


Though, if I were to offer a tip, it'd be...stop fiddling!
The SAPD was good with LSPD, SFPD and DPD...LVPD came in and it stretched out a bit, but whatever. Too many PD's mean no PD has enough people, and more people will decide to leave out of boredom.
Take it back to basics...maybe to DPD, SFPD, LSPD and LVPD again? 

herp derp... bulletin board herp derp...

[Nexxt]

First of all, the last time I opened the forums it told me I was connected to the Argonath RPG Police Department forums instead of the North Korean Police Department. I think I am perfectly in my right to head up a reminder and show my opinion on here, without pulling someone out of this value and personally attack someone; I am pointing out my points which are important for the "identity" of the SAPD. You can tell me to tell someone in person, but I wouldn't want to do that as I would have ended up as "disrespecting" one single person.

I am honestly shocked by the reply of the SAPD Chief, very defensive and aswell attempt of taking me down in person. Such accusations are "fraudulent Academy Chief" are uncalled for, as you were the person in charge for 5 months of my carreer and you could have done everything which was in your "power". So putting that name on me, after 4 months is unneeded and disrespecting to me as person.

Looking back at my point about the North Korean Police Department, I am here to show a point to the public and you do not agree with me, fine! I am all okay with that and I think other people in the Command Staff do not agree either, since they are on their spot and doing they job great. But that is the problem, if you are doing your job like you always do, it will make everything "normal" if you do it for a while. Therefor criticism of other people should be welcome, aslong as they are not disrespecting anyone in person, but hey.. it's not up to me to decide that.
I've based my point on feelings and comments of people, I would be a liar if I say I speak for the whole SAPD; but I would not say if, if I knew nobody would support my point. The whole reason that people barely say things, is the same reason as the post of Chief Paul; for my time I spend into pointing out the "problems" in my eyes, I get treated to be banned for the forums for spreading false rumours, I would go to far to call it censorship but hey, we are going close to this!

I can spend my last 48 hours on the forums, as I am obviously gonna get banned as I cannot proof the "40 hours a week rule". I would like to see myself back, when the person who gave me that last 48 hours, could actually read what I say; I never said this was a rule, but I said it was an example. The whole point was to show that activity is getting too serious and it's demanding too much of people.

I love being ingame as a non-SAPD officer, without all my duties I have to do for the jobs I used to have. I wouldn't even want higher ranks again, since I love this freedom I have right now. So why would I try to tell you guys what to do? It's once again something I never said, but some people prefered to change my intentions to make it look bad.

And I would be willing to take a ban for these false false accusations, if you guys promise me to take a moment and (mostly Paul) think about what effect it would have to do so? To react so extremely defensive and disrespectful towards me, while pointing out possible weak parts of an organisation. I cannot proof anything I never said, so yeah.

[Francisco Martinez]

I know you're all in an age that you must state your opinions and enforce your word but I'll tell you something: This is a game. Why so serious?

Forum punishments should be issued if a guy creates a topic or posts something to moan or provoke someone. Not if it's something constructive. And let me tell you Nexxt, this doesn't really have a point. People can think by themselves. You were in S.A.P.D before, if you think something was wrong, why didn't you tried to fix it from the inside? Now it just seems that you're moaning even if you say you're not 

[[Rstar]Paul]

I would go to far to call it censorship but hey, we are going close to this!

Censorship here is defined when you cannot prove your own assuming valid points.

I cannot proof anything I never said, so yeah.

Exactly, likewise.

First of all, the last time I opened the forums it told me I was connected to the Argonath RPG Police Department forums instead of the North Korean Police Department. I think I am perfectly in my right to head up a reminder and show my opinion on here, without pulling someone out of this value and personally attack someone; I am pointing out my points which are important for the "identity" of the SAPD. You can tell me to tell someone in person, but I wouldn't want to do that as I would have ended up as "disrespecting" one single person.

I am honestly shocked by the reply of the SAPD Chief, very defensive and aswell attempt of taking me down in person. Such accusations are "fraudulent Academy Chief" are uncalled for, as you were the person in charge for 5 months of my carreer and you could have done everything which was in your "power". So putting that name on me, after 4 months is unneeded and disrespecting to me as person.

Looking back at my point about the North Korean Police Department, I am here to show a point to the public and you do not agree with me, fine! I am all okay with that and I think other people in the Command Staff do not agree either, since they are on their spot and doing they job great. But that is the problem, if you are doing your job like you always do, it will make everything "normal" if you do it for a while. Therefor criticism of other people should be welcome, aslong as they are not disrespecting anyone in person, but hey.. it's not up to me to decide that.
I've based my point on feelings and comments of people, I would be a liar if I say I speak for the whole SAPD; but I would not say if, if I knew nobody would support my point. The whole reason that people barely say things, is the same reason as the post of Chief Paul; for my time I spend into pointing out the "problems" in my eyes, I get treated to be banned for the forums for spreading false rumours, I would go to far to call it censorship but hey, we are going close to this!

I can spend my last 48 hours on the forums, as I am obviously gonna get banned as I cannot proof the "40 hours a week rule". I would like to see myself back, when the person who gave me that last 48 hours, could actually read what I say; I never said this was a rule, but I said it was an example. The whole point was to show that activity is getting too serious and it's demanding too much of people.

I love being ingame as a non-SAPD officer, without all my duties I have to do for the jobs I used to have. I wouldn't even want higher ranks again, since I love this freedom I have right now. So why would I try to tell you guys what to do? It's once again something I never said, but some people prefered to change my intentions to make it look bad.

And I would be willing to take a ban for these false false accusations, if you guys promise me to take a moment and (mostly Paul) think about what effect it would have to do so? To react so extremely defensive and disrespectful towards me, while pointing out possible weak parts of an organisation. I cannot proof anything I never said, so yeah.

I am here to show a point to the public and you do not agree with me

If you have nothing to say that is correct in terms of assumptions, do not say it at all. Especially in public which makes yourself look bad when it turns out it's not the truth and incorrect contentions launched.
It's either post a topic properly with common sense or do not post at all.

Considering you were in-charge in the past of the Academy, i doubt you even understood your own point within this topic nor do I understand it as it does not make any sense.

I know you're all in an age that you must state your opinions and enforce your word but I'll tell you something: This is a game. Why so serious?

Forum punishments should be issued if a guy creates a topic or posts something to moan or provoke someone. Not if it's something constructive. And let me tell you Nexxt, this doesn't really have a point. People can think by themselves. You were in S.A.P.D before, if you think something was wrong, why didn't you tried to fix it from the inside? Now it just seems that you're moaning even if you say you're not 

This.