Lazyness inside the SAPD

[Biesmen]

Well, this is another thread with the exact same title as I posted a couple of months ago, even a year maybe?

I've noticed, and more officers, how lazy officers and cadets are in the SAPD. Today there was a code 30 at San Fierro. The FBI Called for backup. I arrived immediately. But somehow, some officers just refused to listen to the backup call. 5 Agents/Officers were fighting against 6/7 suspects, who were heavily armed. For so far I know every agent and officer who were on scene died. When I also got killed, I spawned at the LSPD. Then I saw a cadet jumping with a police bike infront of the LSPD, on the road, while there was a CODE 30 call. I've seen officers just running and aiming their guns in the air, doing nothing, while there was a CODE 30 call. I've seen officers just talking and standing, also doing nothing, while there was a CODE 30 call. I asked all available units to respond. When I saw the available officers were relaxing, even a cadet, I got shocked. His teammates were dying in a fight at San Fierro, while they were doing nothing, talking. I call this corruption.
The only officers who responded were FlameMan, BadAndy, me, AND a couple of freecops!. We should take an example of the freecops, who are working hard.

Let me define code 30.
Code 30: Officer in danger, needs assitance.
People think it's a normal call for backup, nothing going on.
What there's standing, as definition of code 30, is correct, which means Officers LIFE is in DANGER. Need assistance IMMEDIATELY.

This behaviour inside the SAPD is, in my opinion, not tolerated. I can't do anything about, except making this topic and hope there will be changes.

I think the SAPD should be more strict to officers. More training, harder punishments if they do not follow the law and rules.

This lazyness is not just for a code 30 call. It's for the most backup calls outside Los Santos. Sometimes even inside Los Santos.

Those cops who are lazy, do not know what it is to be a cop, what your duties are. "To serve and protect." Those officers can't even protect their teammates who they work with all the time, then how would they protect the citizens? Or sometimes vice versa.

Use the forum search button, and type the word: "Lazy". You will see how big this problem is inside the SAPD. This should change, and I will fight for it.

[FlameMan]

I fully agree with you Biesmen, thats why I advised you to post this topic.
Also, I noticed that people overuse the Code 30 for really basic situations, which should be max code 3.
Thats the result of wrong teaching them I guess.. and that's why people dont respond on code 30s...

[Leroy Hudson]

The only excuse for not responding should be that if you're already on a call which is as or more dangerous than the one the Officer calls immediate assistance for. Next time you should see SAPD members blatently not responding to such situations, send a verbal complaint to their Department leaders privately, for Cadets - Send it to Academy Managers+

When an Officer calls C30 / 207 / 211 and major situation calls, pursuits, traffic stops and lower profile violations should be dropped and you should immediately respond to the major calls - Which is better to respond to; 'Small Crimes' or 'Major crimes (Risking your Comrades lives)'.

These situations require common sense from Officers.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Nothing was going on yesterday, I had a high-risk gang-related stop, and I requested a code 2 unit for cover. The radio went silent, no response, no unit showed, and I ended up finishing the stop by myself and dismissing the driver, and his friend that drove up during it, and cancelled the response request. I could have been killed because no one wanted to respond. It was the middle of the day with over 100 people online, most of them being cops. You can't tell me they were busy.

[ThomasHumphreys]

This is probably Officers excersizing their rights to not be forced into Roleplaying.

You'd see something over the Radio like C30 at Gvardia HQ, Shots Fired, Officer Down!
And cops think I'm not getting killed by a suspect who doesn't wanna roleplay, use Combat Shotgun, Quick Scrolling or Chicken Running. I'm going to stay here and roleplay this Traffic Stop.

[Mash]

Agree and this is happening more and more for every day. Today I had a 207, it was atleast 55 Officers online. I succeded to get 4 SWAT Members and 7-9 SAPD Members to North Rock, I was actually suprised. We were almost outnumbred to the kidnappers. No interestet is showing and it has been awhile, hope it getting a change soon.

[Chief J. Schappell]

I personally think people have just lost interest in SA:MP SAPD. It's slowly falling apart. The new leadership is still trying to pull together what they can to save it, but at this point SAPD has had so many downfalls and issues that I'm amazed it hasn't caved in on itself yet. Only time can tell what will happen with this now.

[Sushi]

Officers are split into juristictions as we all know. LSPD, SFPD, DPD and LVPD. We all primarily operate in those areas, and as many have said, they won't respond if they are already responding to a higher risk situation. I for one, will divert and respond to a C30 if I'm just in a pursuit, but not if I'm in a pursuit of a dangerous murderer.

Honestly, if officers (SAPD) don't respond then go through the list and screenshot them, and if need be, question each and every single one as to why they didn't respond. There shouldn't be this non-chalance for another officers life, our comrades lives are one of the things we always should want and need to defend.

[Ben Samiir]

I personally think people have just lost interest in SA:MP SAPD. It's slowly falling apart. The new leadership is still trying to pull together what they can to save it, but at this point SAPD has had so many downfalls and issues that I'm amazed it hasn't caved in on itself yet. Only time can tell what will happen with this now.

Bullshit this is an example of only 4 months ago. I organized all the cops and requested them to join TS... We had SFPD, DPD, LVPD, LSPD and even the FBI working together. Not one single cop caused trouble, neither left, neither refused to respond.
Law Enforcement vs. Jungle Call

The only key to success is the way how you ask it and lead it.
Remember SRU? You had a C30 and asked back up, SRU was in less than 30 seconds on scene with 8 heavy armed guys, it was even so strong it became a big problem for the criminals.
Even most criminals only committed crimes when SRU was not online. Past 5 days i managed to organize patrols for more than 6 hours in a row without any pause.

15-20 heavy armed cops all patrolling together on Team Speak, and at same time when we had bored moments i was explaining tactics and procedures to make them more effective. The first day it toke them 1min + to respond to any C30. Yesterday and today they responded to all C30’s in less than 40 seconds and what do you think that 6 heavy armed Corleone’s do when 4 police cruisers arrive? Well with organized heavy armed cops they have no choice to surrender or run.

When cops work together massively criminals are too weak to do anything, everything is about teamwork. And no!!! people aren’t bored of SAPD they are bored of patrolling around and getting killed by heavy armed criminals. That’s why they need a leader that motivates them and gives orders. Once they see the system works and they actually get all criminals. Then they start to request massively to start an organized patrol. We have enough forum leaders. We need active leaders on the field because thats more capital then forums.

It’s not the results on paper that counts but on the streets!!!

[Biesmen]

@Ben

I have noticed officers are responding to backupcalls which are called by Lieutenant+. Probably because they're afraid of getting fired, or they want to get promoted for being actice, communicating. But they will only do that when a Lt+ is online.

Also, if there is backup needed outside LS, most officers decide to sit on their lazy arse and let others do the work.

From now on I will, if there's a backup call, note the names of all officers who refuse to answer the call. The same counts for cadets. I will report them to their department staff.

I think this can be solved on this way: if there's a backup call, C3/30, everyone has to reply if they're responding or not. If an officer says he will not respond, he must give a valid reason for not responding. The officers who didn't reply at all, has a chance of earning a warning.

Ps, sorry for sone typos ans grammar.. I typed this with an ipod.

[Jack White]

The only reason I joined SAPD again was because of LSPD and SRU. Ben's organized patrols gave me the feeling of being a real cop. So this topic is in my opinion bullshit. No offence.

[Ronnel]

While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.

Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?

[JDC]

I have seen my share of lazy SAPD Officers, and even some mid-high ranks who act like freecops, as well as complaints from SAPD Staff to me about shit going on inside their own department.
 
I believe it is time Chief Leroy to exert his authority and reform his department, starting by ridding it of corrupt officers. If he will not, then it will happen eventually through some other means, such as a Higher Authority.

[Jack White]

While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.

Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?

They are currently patrolling in Los Santos. At least those who is online now.

[Ronnel]

While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.

Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?

They are currently patrolling in Los Santos. At least those who is online now.

Then why was there no team available during a heavily armed conflict ?

[Biesmen]

@Ronnel; summarized: Inactivity.

Apparently you're not active as you've never seen this problem, Jack. As I said, use the search button and type the word "Lazy" and you'll see how big this problem is.

If possible, could I have a meeting with the SAPD Command Staff? I'd also like to invite FlameMan, if I have a meeting with the SAPD Command Staff. And if possible, this could also be discussed with our President(s).

[FlameMan]

Well, I've got my own vision, which probably won't be accepted anyway :P
I repeat this since my return in 2010, but doh. It's too hard to make it happen now..

But that's why Biesmen wants to invite me.. There are many officers who support my ideas, but those ideas got to be accepted on the highest SAPD level, and probably will cause a lot of discussion from a lot of people.

[[R*]Drix]

Biesmen, we are not inactive probably some of us weren't online to respond the backup call.
As about Ben's post. He is totally right i am really pleased when Ben comes online because i know hes going to organize a patrol or training we never make any differences on the cops.. those who come they join teamspeak and then we start the patrol about people who don't we dont make them to it's they're problem. Today Ben organized a patrol and trust me people we pinned down more then 30+ suspects in about 2-3 hours, i couldn't believe it myself we kept responding various of situations in 30-20 seconds. Today there was a huge code 30 at Jefferson - Idlewood bridge, around 6-8 suspects and there was only Me, Ben, and some Angrybird on scene, we took them down one by one by simply covering ourselfs behind a PD car.. i mean yes it's true we didn't have any backup for like 3-4 minutes and i really got disappointed but probably the new cop award system lost our officers motivation and they think to themselfs "I've bought a combat and armour if i respond there myself for 100$ whats the point" that scares me people, the only thing that is missing is teamwork they're not lazy, they want a leader who can direct them, now imagine yourself in an organized patrol imagine yourself in teamspeak, there is a huge Code 30 and you respond alone and you shout on teamspeak or cb for backup what do you think it'll happen? We would just stay there? No we would respond asap, your a senior officer try organizing patrols try to get a partner when you respond a Code 30. And see what it happens.
In my opinion it's not the layzness that is affecting SAPD, it's the lack of leadership/organization/teamwork and communication i see every high ranked officer with they're pm's off driving around with armour in a buffalo instead of f**king organizing or even getting a partner for it.
The moment that Ben logs online all you have to do is log on teamspeak, and then he automaticly organizes a patrol and respond to every single backup call every 30 seconds. That is teamwork.

[Jack White]

While SAPD is supposed to be aware what codes mean, how about using them a bit less to involveARPD officers who do not have a manual on codes. As for refusing backup without solid reason, immediate suspension.

Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?

They are currently patrolling in Los Santos. At least those who is online now.

Then why was there no team available during a heavily armed conflict ?

When and where?

[Biesmen]

@Drix
I didn't mean inactivity in the server, I mean inactivity of SWAT doing operationgs.
If Ben's not online, then LSPD SWAT isn't online to organise patrols, or do activities. It's always waiting for Ben. You're not a freecop, you're a well trained SWAT member. If you're authorized to organise patrols, then do it. If you're not authorised, you could atleast tell us that LSPD SWAT is unable to attent and the reason. Then you will go the scene as a normal officer.