Lazyness inside the SAPD

[[R*]Drix]

@Drix
I didn't mean inactivity in the server, I mean inactivity of SWAT doing operationgs.
If Ben's not online, then LSPD SWAT isn't online to organise patrols, or do activities. It's always waiting for Ben. You're not a freecop, you're a well trained SWAT member. If you're authorized to organise patrols, then do it. If you're not authorised, you could atleast tell us that LSPD SWAT is unable to attent and the reason. Then you will go the scene as a normal officer.

1. I am not an SWAT.
2. I do organize patrols with Jack and LVPD members when Ben is not online so yeah i'm not always awaiting for Ben. Just finished an organized patrol right now btw

[Biesmen]

1. I am not an SWAT.

Sorry, I didn't specifically mean you, I meant with "you" the LSPD SWAT members, in this case.

I'm not sure about the other SWAT teams.

[JDC]

Why is it that several new officers are being inducted into the SWAT Departments instead of more experienced and competent officers?

[Kenny]

I understand where you are coming from Biesmen. These days cops are less hesitant to give back but i dont blame them. someone calls a code 30 you arrive another city and the minute you are on scene suspects jumps on NRG with a friend, once you attempt to chase they pop your wheels and your out of the chase. or it could be that you are outnumbered and do not stand a chance.

This is where SRU cames in. The only reason it was created was for such situations where all major crime families became so powerful for SAPD to handle and they new our weakness. Within months of SRU operational we have seen crime families operations and senseless killing seize to exist. Once againt he problem is arising and the criminals are becoming toughed up.

Regarding SRU days..; they got promoted to SWAT so where are they now ?

The SWAT is still active however not effective compared to SRU. We used to have a response time anywhere in the map of less than 30 seconds, now it will just take minutes and by the time we arrive the suspects are hoping onto NRG's which makes it near impossible to keep up with our slow ranchers.

SRU was very good at what it did, as lot of cops said it felt like the a real police division and that is the only reason they joined SAPD. We had mafia members who were willing to give up the criminal life just to join us and feel the excitement. Once SRU was abonded alot of the members we had lost interest and dispersed. Matterfact only 4 out of the 15 members are still here.

[Chief J. Schappell]

I personally think people have just lost interest in SA:MP SAPD. It's slowly falling apart. The new leadership is still trying to pull together what they can to save it, but at this point SAPD has had so many downfalls and issues that I'm amazed it hasn't caved in on itself yet. Only time can tell what will happen with this now.

Bullshit this is an example of only 4 months ago. I organized all the cops and requested them to join TS... We had SFPD, DPD, LVPD, LSPD and even the FBI working together. Not one single cop caused trouble, neither left, neither refused to respond.

Ben, I'm sorry, but that was 4 effing months ago. SA:MP has gone through some major changes since then in terms of players, their attitudes, the administration's own issues, and SAPD itself. In case you hadn't noticed, there's ONE, NEW Chief. It's been a VERY long time since a NEW Chief has existed. That in itself is a sign of changes that have happened. You haven't been here to see that, though, until now. Users are just not the way they were months ago.

Perfect example: Today I witnessed an officer in a VERY high-risk situation, surrounded by armed gang members, one suspect in the middle of them. The gang members were waiting for him to move in so they could attack the officer. The officer screamed and begged over the radio dozens of times (no exaggeration) for backup, as did I. NO ONE arrived until it became a GIANT Code Purple with atleast 20 gang members and about another 15 officers becoming involved AFTER shots were fired and multiple people were killed. No one bothered showing up until the spam of suspections started. Later, this same gang caused a giant war. Ballas versus Groves. About 50 people involved, not counting officers. I had to yell for 10 minutes to get officers on scene before anyone showed up. This resulted in MANY, MANY unnecessary deaths. A simple Code Purple call over the radio with a code 3 request for additional units should've been more than enough to get atleast a dozen NON-BUSY officers on scene, but instead they just drove by or parked and watched like it was nothing until the chat became spammed with 50 or so suspected gang members. Once that happened, everyone flocked in, didn't even try to calm things, and instead opened fire on EVERYONE, causing massive casualties, downed officers, and dead criminals. Many bystanders were also killed in the cross fire, and a few of the suspects successfully escaped. This is absolutely ridiculous, and should NEVER happen. I'm disgusted with the performance of the department lately, to be completely honest.

Two incidents. Large numbers of unneeded deaths. Don't make me even go into the other 2 Code Purples and 3 Code 30's that also happened today, with very little response until AFTER the fact.

P.S. There were over 150+ users online during the middle of the day, most of which were high-ranking officers. This is absolutely sickening.

[JDC]

As a member of the Administration who has observed the recent climate on the server, I can testify that situations such as the one in SugarD's post are actually COMMON. No f**king joke.
 
With all due respect, Ben Samiir, you have been inactive recently and even some prominent SAPD have acknowledged that. Things have changed.

[Jcstodds]

  In the past I have chased other cops who didn't help with large gang situations etc. Shouting at them etc  :P

[Sushi]

Just as Kenny said, our original SRU team doesn't really exist anymore. Sure we have the skills of the old team, but our tactics aren't the same. When we became SWAT, we became just that. SWAT, we weren't and aren't SRU anymore. We developed a unit but that became restricted and cut off from our SWAT Unit.

Everyone knows that SWAT and SRU are completely different things. Regulations are completely different, we don't have the same situational mobility as SWAT.

Although this wasn't a discussion about SRU or SWAT now was it?

[Badandy]

I got on scene with my partner that was taken down very fast. I saw a Sniper shooting at the other Agents / Officers and I chased them and We got to Gvardia HQ, Queens. They started to shoot me, 3 VS 1. I was clearly out gunned and numbered. I requested assistance around 4 times on radio and No one came. I waited there around 2 mins and No one came. I was gunned down. I really needed backup because My partner was shot down and I was alone and trapped, My car got blown up by them.

[Biesmen]

I got on scene with my partner that was taken down very fast. I saw a Sniper shooting at the other Agents / Officers and I chased them and We got to Gvardia HQ, Queens. They started to shoot me, 3 VS 1. I was clearly out gunned and numbered. I requested assistance around 4 times on radio and No one came. I waited there around 2 mins and No one came. I was gunned down. I really needed backup because My partner was shot down and I was alone and trapped, My car got blown up by them.

Exactly, and as I said, I will fight for this to be solved.

[Ronnel]

Just as Kenny said, our original SRU team doesn't really exist anymore. Sure we have the skills of the old team, but our tactics aren't the same. When we became SWAT, we became just that. SWAT, we weren't and aren't SRU anymore. We developed a unit but that became restricted and cut off from our SWAT Unit.

Everyone knows that SWAT and SRU are completely different things. Regulations are completely different, we don't have the same situational mobility as SWAT.

Although this wasn't a discussion about SRU or SWAT now was it?

You were promoted to SWAT in order to keep your tactics alive. If you screwed that up, do not blame anything else as your balls.

[Jack White]

Leaded by Ben Samiir. This is how lazy we have been the last week.

[FlameMan]

Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>

[Jack White]

Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>

Weapons on the back or the weapons itself? Links may be a problem but I could upload it

[Mash]

Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.

Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.

Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!

And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.

[Jack White]

Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.

Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.

Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!

And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.

Bullshit. I've seen freecops getting approximately 20 people on an organized patrol.

[FlameMan]

Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>

Weapons on the back or the weapons itself? Links may be a problem but I could upload it

Both Upload, pleease

[Webster]

Why is it that several new officers are being inducted into the SWAT Departments instead of more experienced and competent officers?

Hmm, I just wanted to ask that.

Ohh you Flameman 

[Jack White]

Hey, can you give me the links to your weapons mods and the thing above and under the radar that shows your current position? After so long time in SAPD I know locations, but it looks cool :>

Weapons on the back or the weapons itself? Links may be a problem but I could upload it

Both Upload, pleease

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=79S3OY7F - Weapons itself

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WCPX355Q - Weapons on the back

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T4NCMXQA - Map mod (CLEO)

[Chief J. Schappell]

Captains / Chiefs calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - Everyone coming.

Officer - Sergeants (some of them) calling out in /r ''Organised Patrol - Come to LSPD to Join'' - If lucky, 6 people can come.

Seems like every Cadet is like - Oh Captain calling out an Organised Patrol, I must join to show my skills!

And then when Officer - Sergeants calling out it's like - Nevermind, they can't see or report anything to my application / promotion. Or is it just lazyness when Officer - Sergeants calling out? I don't know why it's so but I've my thoughts.

Bullshit. I've seen freecops getting approximately 20 people on an organized patrol.

I'm calling bullshit on you. I haven't seen it happen once in the last week, and I've been online quite a bit lately.

@ The mod discussion, make another topic or take it to PM please.