[Proposal] Police Services Act / Police Services Board

[SafetyMoose]

We have rules (Server rules and SAPD rules), if you don't follow them, you get punished. It's pretty simple.

There is no system in place to dispute punishment for rules that are either used out of context or don't exist at all. i dont see why people are complaining about a system that gives them more rights and protects them.

[Huntsman]

Administrators warn me/ban me for my harsh attitude on people in forums, yet, i am disgusted by what i see in this topic.. So... I see some people posting in disgusting attitude can get away without a punishment..?

[Mash]

We have rules (Server rules and SAPD rules), if you don't follow them, you get punished. It's pretty simple.

And this isn't fairly done. I've experienced it my self, we get treated differently for the same offence.

That officers and senior officers will be involved as an internal affair commitee is a great idea. Especielly that they have two different enviornments to work in and not just doing regular patrol and duty reports. Aswell it does to the higher ranks can focus to develop their department.

Oh, and Cyril! Look what I found on google!

10-0 Caution
10-1 Reception poor
10-2 Reception good
10-3 Stop transmitting
10-4 Message received, understood
10-5 Repay message
10-6 Change channel
10-7 Out of service
10-7A Out of service, home
10-7B Out of service, personal
10-8 In service
10-9 Repeat message
10-10 Off duty
10-10A Off duty, home
10-11 Identify frequency
10-12 Visitor(s) present
10-13 Weather and road advice
10-14 Citizen w/suspect
10-15 Prisoner in custody
10-16 Pick up prisoner
10-17 Request for gasoline
10-18 Equipment exchange
10-19 Return(ing) to station
10-20 Location
10-21 Telephone
10-21A Advise home I will return at:
10-22 Disregard last assignment
10-23 Stand by
10-24 Request car-to-car transmit
10-25 Do you have contact with:
10-26 Clear
10-27 D.D.L. report
10-28 Registration request
10-29 Check for wants
10-29F Subject wanted, felony
10-29H Hazard potential from subject
10-29M Subject wanted, Misdemeanor
10-29V Vehicle wanted
10-30 Doesn't conform to regulations
10-32 Drowning
10-33 Alarm sounding, audible
10-34 Assist at office
10-35 Time check
10-36 Confidential information
10-37 Identify operator
10-39 Can () come to the radio?
10-40 Is () available for phone call?
10-42 Check the welfare of/at:
10-43 Call a doctor
10-45 Condition of patient?
10-45A Good
10-45B Serious
10-45C Critical
10-45D Dead
10-49 Proceed to:
10-50 Under influence of drugs
10-51 Drunk
10-52 Resuscitator
10-53 Man down
10-54 Possible dead body
10-55 Coroner case
10-56 Suicide
10-56A Suicide attempt
10-57 Missing person
10-59 Security check
10-60 Lock-out
10-61 Miscellaneous public service
10-62 Meet a citizen
10-62A Take a report from a citizen
10-62B Civilian standby
10-63 Prepare to copy
10-64 Found property
10-66 Suspicious person
10-67 Person calling for help
10-68 Telephone for police
10-70 Prowler
10-71 Shooting
10-72 Gun involved
10-73 How do you receive?
10-76 On route
10-79 Bomb threat
10-80 Explosion
10-86 Any radio traffic?
10-88 Assume post
10-91 Animal
10-91A Animal, stray
10-91B Animal, noisy
10-91C Animal, injured
10-91D Animal, dead
10-91E Animal, bite
10-91G Animal, pickup
10-91J Animal, pickup collect
10-91L Animal, leash law violation
10-91V Animal, vicious
10-95 Need ID tech unit
10-97 Arrived at scene
10-98 Available to assign

SAPD is based on real life codes and procedures aswell. To claim that Safetymoose have copied a police handbook is the same to claim SAPD have claimed a handbook.

Point out what he can improve instead of give him the finger.

[Cyril]

We have rules (Server rules and SAPD rules), if you don't follow them, you get punished. It's pretty simple.

And this isn't fairly done. I've experienced it my self, we get treated differently for the same offence.

That officers and senior officers will be involved as an internal affair commitee is a great idea. Especielly that they have two different enviornments to work in and not just doing regular patrol and duty reports. Aswell it does to the higher ranks can focus to develop their department.

Of course people are not threated equally. As an old admin, you know that severals factors influence your decision.
If a Sergeant break a rule, he'll be punished harder than if a new registered user do it..

[Steven J]

Stop provoking / annoying each other, else I will lock this.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Stop provoking / annoying each other, else I will lock this.

I'll back you up on that promise too.


There is nothing wrong with proposing ideas with a positive intent so long as they aren't breaking any rules by doing so, or attacking any players in the process. If you wish to continue discussing the idea, I suggest you guys learn to play nice.

@SafetyMoose: Although there are probably some issues here or there that conflict with the Argonath Vision as others said, it's nice to see someone come up with a unique approach as an attempt to deal with common issues and prevent future ones.

[SafetyMoose]

Stop provoking / annoying each other, else I will lock this.

I'll back you up on that promise too.


There is nothing wrong with proposing ideas with a positive intent so long as they aren't breaking any rules by doing so, or attacking any players in the process. If you wish to continue discussing the idea, I suggest you guys learn to play nice.

@SafetyMoose: Although there are probably some issues here or there that conflict with the Argonath Vision as others said, it's nice to see someone come up with a unique approach as an attempt to deal with common issues and prevent future ones.

Well of course, version 1 is going to have a few issues, but thats why its here for people to give ideas on how to work around the argo vision aspect.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Stop provoking / annoying each other, else I will lock this.

I'll back you up on that promise too.


There is nothing wrong with proposing ideas with a positive intent so long as they aren't breaking any rules by doing so, or attacking any players in the process. If you wish to continue discussing the idea, I suggest you guys learn to play nice.

@SafetyMoose: Although there are probably some issues here or there that conflict with the Argonath Vision as others said, it's nice to see someone come up with a unique approach as an attempt to deal with common issues and prevent future ones.

Well of course, version 1 is going to have a few issues, but thats why its here for people to give ideas on how to work around the argo vision aspect.

I agree, and I'm glad you took the opportunity to do it. It's nice to see that people care and want to improve things, whether they need improving or not. That is why Argo is so successful these days. We never stop improving!

[JDC]

Personally, I prefer a more direct approach free of red tape. As such, I currently support the structure where higher ranks have complete authority and where command staff members in violation can be reported to an even higher command staff member.

Some questions:

How do we know that the Senior Officers / Officers on the panel will not be controlled by higher officers outside the panel?

Why do we even need a panel with Jaaskaa as the head when Jaaskaa himself can perform any and all functions necessary?

How does this help speed up the process instead of adding more red tape?

Would the officers on the panel be free of the authority of command staff other than Jaaskaa? They must be in order to exercise their power effectively, or else they can be manipulated by local higher-ranked members.

[SafetyMoose]

Personally, I prefer a more direct approach free of red tape. As such, I currently support the structure where higher ranks have complete authority and where command staff members in violation can be reported to an even higher command staff member.

Some questions:

How do we know that the Senior Officers / Officers on the panel will not be controlled by higher officers outside the panel?

Why do we even need a panel with Jaaskaa as the head when Jaaskaa himself can perform any and all functions necessary?

How does this help speed up the process instead of adding more red tape?

Would the officers on the panel be free of the authority of command staff other than Jaaskaa? They must be in order to exercise their power effectively, or else they can be manipulated by local higher-ranked members.

Well, to address the start, there is no system to report a command staff member, the current system allows for command staff to punish a member if they try and go above their rank, so reporting a superior becomes a useless gesture that is taken as betrayal rather then you doing your duty as an officer.

The Services Board acts by unanimously agreeing to decisions and operate much like a jurry. They have no alligence to a department thus are not controlled by any command staff members other then Jaaskaa, they are Officer or Senior Officer simply because that is the lowest operational rank within SAPD. There job is to represent popular morality and the the views and opinions of SAPD as a whole and provide that secondary review panel.  Who better to be a judge of problems then your own peers and equals? Without what you call "Red Tape" the average player has no defence against false accusation and unequal treatment.

Anyone who is against setting a standard of rights and freedoms does so because these changes threaten the unbalanced power and equality. Change is inevitable and setting rights and freedoms of SAPD staff not only sets a president for positive change, it allows for the SAPD to be seen as an organization that supports fair play and justice, instead of punishment and fear.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Hi SafetyMoose!

Thanks for your time in processing your suggestions to the whole ARPD (?). This will be forwarded to the SAPD Command staff members and they will be reviewing the proposal suggested by your kindness. In the meantime, do not expect feedback from the Chiefs of the SAPD. As per suggested submitted by our friendly Argonathian members, they will be kindly reviewed. This means we will look towards the Argonath Vision requirements.

Please note that this will be forwarded to the SA:MP division only, other police department may do so as-well if you convince them to do so. A copy will be made from the suggestion towards the Chief Headquarters desk.

I'll be reviewing it once I'm fully back from my absence.


Have a nice weekend,
SAPD Headquarters.

[SafetyMoose]

Hi SafetyMoose!

Thanks for your time in processing your suggestions to the whole ARPD (?). This will be forwarded to the SAPD Command staff members and they will be reviewing the proposal suggested by your kindness. In the meantime, do not expect feedback from the Chiefs of the SAPD. As per suggested submitted by our friendly Argonathian members, they will be kindly reviewed. This means we will look towards the Argonath Vision requirements.

Please note that this will be forwarded to the SA:MP division only, other police department may do so as-well if you convince them to do so. A copy will be made from the suggestion towards the Chief Headquarters desk.

I'll be reviewing it once I'm fully back from my absence.


Have a nice weekend,
SAPD Headquarters.

Have a nice break Paul. Glad to see it is at least being looked at which is all I really ask for