San Andreas Police Department | Q&A

[Pepper]

Alright, Pepito - you are not in the Academy so I am hereby inviting you to become an Academy Instructor. Most of the work is also how you put it on people as an instructor, recently we had a talk about that and the quality should be improved.

But I am getting a little bit tired of all the words since I never got a feedback of anyone in this topicl. Academy is shit? Sure, give me feedback...
...or just do it yourself since I am close to resigning from my Academy Chief position since you guys only MOAN and not come up with IDEAS.

And then you still have the balls to complain...


inb4 sugarD comes to rage at me: I know what you want to say so just do not post, ok?

I'm only trying to suggest things to be fixed, not trying to start trouble.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Good give me one more reason why the Academy is bad and you got me resigning - go ahead.

Well, not trying to call anyone out, but for the sake of examples, a previous leader of it was reported for not knowing it's own information, which in itself is a very bad sign because anyone trained under that command likely doesn't either, the academy itself is well structured in terms of organization, but completely fails to actually teach users the procedures as it just shows them and tests them on it, and to use an example from back in 2009 that's personal to me...:

Back in the day, and I won't use names here since this is an example and not a place to make accusations on people, there was a time where I, as a SA:MP SAPD Sergeant, knowing all the procedures at the time, had caught a Captain breaking protocol on an unarmed suspect. Needless to say he was later reported and punished, but the point of this story is that it's pretty damn sad that a Sergeant should have to correct a Captain on his mistakes. The Sergeant shouldn't know things better than his own Captain, and even though this example is over 2 years old, I still see myself catching low and high-ranked officials in SA:MP SAPD making these same mistakes today, and I'm retired as an ARPD Officer in SA:MP. That's just plain sad.

In the case of the academy issues, I think my few, very short examples are more than enough to show, even without details, issues that are present in the system which are leading to further problems once these users become Officers and above. To put my point into perspective, none of this should be happening in the first place.

Edit:

inb4 sugarD comes to rage at me: I know what you want to say so just do not post, ok?

Real mature. Thank you for proving my point further, Sergeant.

Double Edit:

inb4 sugarD-count-attack: Please do not react on my reply for once as you only act to know things better but never come up with ideas nor working it out.

If you want constructive criticism to solve the issues as you said, then how about you stop proving the points stated by attacking users further? As I said, we want to see SAPD fixed, not fall apart. There's a reason for my statement about SAPD's members unfortunately following the stereotypes. Don't become one of them.

[Nexxt]

SugarD, people in the SAPD are working their asses off to get things changed - you just come here and cry about what is wrong without putting in any affort in helping yourself.
Your signature says: "retired SAPD Sergeant" so either you get out of this (since you only talk) or pull out your hands and help.

Your words does not help and only take people their motivation down.,

[Nexxt]

In the case of the academy issues, I think my few, very short examples are more than enough to show, even without details, issues that are present in the system which are leading to further problems once these users become Officers and above. To put my point into perspective, none of this should be happening in the first place.

See once again, I do not see any feedback which is usefull for me. PM me right now and say all you want changed in the Academy and I will look into it. Your words on this topic does not specify things so they are loose words without a meaning.

[Chief J. Schappell]

SugarD, people in the SAPD are working their asses off to get things changed - you just come here and cry about what is wrong without putting in any affort in helping yourself.
Your signature says: "retired SAPD Sergeant" so either you get out of this (since you only talk) or pull out your hands and help.

Your words does not help and only take people their motivation down.,

I never said they weren't trying, nor did I say anyone specific involved in it was the cause. How about you stop attacking me? As I said, it's only further proving my statement. If you want assistance from the community in order to solve these problems, then Command Staff has to be actually willing to ask for it rather than shutting down anyone who complains about it. Complaints are a form of criticism, and although I agree that flaming and moaning shouldn't be a part of that criticism, you still have to take it into an account when it gets to a point where a majority of users are complaining about it. As for you saying I've done nothing for this Department, I gave 2 years to it trying to fight the corruption only to be shut down by people I was investigating. I've shown you and others some of my massive reports against the issues, so don't accuse me of not caring. I would not be here right now complaining if I did not care, because I do not represent the SAPD anymore on my own free will. I was not fired, I resigned. I do not have a single mark on my police record, and I have awards stating just the opposite. I'm not here to brag about that, but if you want to say I'm only here to make SAPD look bad, you are sadly mistaken.

[Chief J. Schappell]

In the case of the academy issues, I think my few, very short examples are more than enough to show, even without details, issues that are present in the system which are leading to further problems once these users become Officers and above. To put my point into perspective, none of this should be happening in the first place.

See once again, I do not see any feedback which is usefull for me. PM me right now and say all you want changed in the Academy and I will look into it. Your words on this topic does not specify things so they are loose words without a meaning.

I will gather a group together and discuss some ideas in that case and get back to you. If you are truly open to suggestions as you say, then I will be happy to give you ideas in order to solve the problems in SAPD.

[Nexxt]

In the case of the academy issues, I think my few, very short examples are more than enough to show, even without details, issues that are present in the system which are leading to further problems once these users become Officers and above. To put my point into perspective, none of this should be happening in the first place.

See once again, I do not see any feedback which is usefull for me. PM me right now and say all you want changed in the Academy and I will look into it. Your words on this topic does not specify things so they are loose words without a meaning.

I will gather a group together and discuss some ideas in that case and get back to you. If you are truly open to suggestions as you say, then I will be happy to give you ideas in order to solve the problems in SAPD.

Congratulations, took your 5 posts to understand I am wanting to get suggestions instead of meaningless words. Thanks...

I gave you a temporary Academy Instructor rank - please click on this: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=19451.0

[Nexxt]

SugarD, people in the SAPD are working their asses off to get things changed - you just come here and cry about what is wrong without putting in any affort in helping yourself.
Your signature says: "retired SAPD Sergeant" so either you get out of this (since you only talk) or pull out your hands and help.

Your words does not help and only take people their motivation down.,

I never said they weren't trying, nor did I say anyone specific involved in it was the cause. How about you stop attacking me? As I said, it's only further proving my statement. If you want assistance from the community in order to solve these problems, then Command Staff has to be actually willing to ask for it rather than shutting down anyone who complains about it. Complaints are a form of criticism, and although I agree that flaming and moaning shouldn't be a part of that criticism, you still have to take it into an account when it gets to a point where a majority of users are complaining about it. As for you saying I've done nothing for this Department, I gave 2 years to it trying to fight the corruption only to be shut down by people I was investigating. I've shown you and others some of my massive reports against the issues, so don't accuse me of not caring. I would not be here right now complaining if I did not care, because I do not represent the SAPD anymore on my own free will. I was not fired, I resigned. I do not have a single mark on my police record, and I have awards stating just the opposite. I'm not here to brag about that, but if you want to say I'm only here to make SAPD look bad, you are sadly mistaken.

I am not shutting you down, I was shutting down you being involved in things, you do not even KNOW about (since you have no access to Academy boards).
Read my post above and do that - it will help you understanding it.

[Cane]

The SAPD is NOTHING like what it used to be. Before, cadets were actually tested on important aspects of being an officer - it wasn't just "Oh, here's some facts that you need to know, memorize and study and you'll take the test, and you'll pass". You actually had to pass a ROLEPLAYING section, where the examiner took the cadet and had him/her perform random scenarios, with and without an actual suspect. Nowadays, you just tell the guy what he needs to know, take him out to drive, ask him some BASIC and COMMON SENSE questions, and that's it. It's so simple that an ordinary 7 year old can pass.

[Nexxt]

The SAPD is NOTHING like what it used to be. Before, cadets were actually tested on important aspects of being an officer - it wasn't just "Oh, here's some facts that you need to know, memorize and study and you'll take the test, and you'll pass". You actually had to pass a ROLEPLAYING section, where the examiner took the cadet and had him/her perform random scenarios, with and without an actual suspect. Nowadays, you just tell the guy what he needs to know, take him out to drive, ask him some BASIC and COMMON SENSE questions, and that's it. It's so simple that an ordinary 7 year old can pass.

Then you PM me your suggestions, how you would like to see things. Same as for SugarD - I can do nothing with your post only read and understand , cannot change.

[Exterminator]

I'm only trying to suggest things to be fixed, not trying to start trouble.

Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with the academy exam right now?Why do you want only the "elite" to pass?Whats wrong with everyone learning how to be a officer and becoming an officer?why turn down so many cadets?

[Chief J. Schappell]

I'm only trying to suggest things to be fixed, not trying to start trouble.

Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with the academy exam right now?Why do you want only the "elite" to pass?Whats wrong with everyone learning how to be a officer and becoming an officer?why turn down so many cadets?

Because anyone is already free to roleplay a cop, but to be recognized for their efforts, the official officers should know the protocols and procedures completely and correctly. Right now the issue is that many Cadets, Officers, and above don't, or lack certain training, which is creating other issues including anti-community relations.

Please see this topic for more info: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=19628.0

[Exterminator]

I'm only trying to suggest things to be fixed, not trying to start trouble.

Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with the academy exam right now?Why do you want only the "elite" to pass?Whats wrong with everyone learning how to be a officer and becoming an officer?why turn down so many cadets?

Because anyone is already free to roleplay a cop, but to be recognized for their efforts, the official officers should know the protocols and procedures completely and correctly. Right now the issue is that many Cadets, Officers, and above don't, or lack certain training, which is creating other issues including anti-community relations.

Please see this topic for more info: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=19628.0

that is the cadet's ignorance,what pepito is demanding is to limit SAPD to only the "elite", and not to everybody...

[Chief J. Schappell]

I'm only trying to suggest things to be fixed, not trying to start trouble.

Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with the academy exam right now?Why do you want only the "elite" to pass?Whats wrong with everyone learning how to be a officer and becoming an officer?why turn down so many cadets?

Because anyone is already free to roleplay a cop, but to be recognized for their efforts, the official officers should know the protocols and procedures completely and correctly. Right now the issue is that many Cadets, Officers, and above don't, or lack certain training, which is creating other issues including anti-community relations.

Please see this topic for more info: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=19628.0

that is the cadet's ignorance,what pepito is demanding is to limit SAPD to only the "elite", and not to everybody...

That is not what he means when he says "elite". There's another topic in regards to this in this same board that was opened to discuss these issues.

[Trooper_Lopez]

we really need spikes for cops and engine cut. Engine cut is to when the runner was running for a long time his engine cuts off and cant run we can use it so when he goes to a populated area. and you make license points, Where a player has 10 points and if they lose them all they cant drive they have to pay for more. And each car that's owned should have a different plate id. and this would come great with the /mdc of the plates.

[Chief J. Schappell]

we really need spikes for cops and engine cut. Engine cut is to when the runner was running for a long time his engine cuts off and cant run we can use it so when he goes to a populated area. and you make license points, Where a player has 10 points and if they lose them all they cant drive they have to pay for more. And each car that's owned should have a different plate id. and this would come great with the /mdc of the plates.

Changing plates on custom-owned vehicles is already possible, but it's not on State-owned vehicles, and spikes aren't completely synced. Those you can suggest being add on the main Argo forums though. As for an engine cut-off, unless there's something the criminal could do to accidentally trigger it, it would be forced RP, which this community disallows.

[Trooper_Lopez]

And how about a speed gun, i like the command /speed but i don't like how you have to be a passenger i wish we had a speed gun if would be better or a better idea you know how irl you can drive and know the speeds of people how about some where on the screen it says the ID of the person and speeds it would be helpful for us officers one of the two would be helpful and if you can both. 

[Allison]

I have an idea that would be beneficial to the SAPD as a whole if you ask me. Revision of the SAPD Procedures topic. It is clearly lacking information for the public. Sure you may teach some of it in the Academy, but what good is that when ARPD Officers are not in the Academy and would like to know how SAPD runs, how they go about their duties?

That is the problem - they can't find out. I see it is mostly about weapons, vehicles, and other things relating to them two aspects.

My suggestion is to revise and rewrite, add, remove, or whatever on some information. I could give you an entire Procedure topic that is in the making. It's already a few times longer and more detailed.

[Leroy Hudson]

Pro·ce·dure - Noun/prəˈsējər/
1. An established or official way of doing something.
2. A series of actions conducted in a certain order or manner.

We're only going to use that board for procedures of taking actions and following protocol. This main board 'San Andreas Police Department' is the main section to find out 'What SAPD does' and is now being constructed, also we are developing our section on the main site also.

Thank you anyway.

[Chief J. Schappell]

I believe she's still referring to procedures in her explanations. To be honest, a lot of the Procedures topic does focus mostly on vehicle and weapon usage, and not so much on how to deal with situations, which is what procedures are created for. I agree that some expansion may be a good idea, and it seems nearly all the PD's are lacking in this. Right now you have Protocols covered, but Procedures should be expanded a bit.