San Andreas Police Department | Q&A

[Joseph_Allen]

I just want the old ARPD back. I remembered being an ARPD Officer and there was a riot in front of LSPD.

Jay Adams was in command of controlling that riot and I recall him rallying the Officers into one coherent line and marching in unison (Not perfect though, but still.) and sprayin' down the protesters. No shots were fired at the time.

Not to say that the Administration these days are inadequate, but I'd definitely like to see the ARPD/SAPD's old quality coming back.

Hope you guys straighten up SAPD.

[Leroy Hudson]

If you work for change yourself, then change is possible, as change doesn't come from one man. Also we're going forward, not backwards, thus look forward to the future - The current status of SAPD allows more co-operation with Officers working under sub departments and assigned to protect jurisdictions and also have a lot of freedom and space for growth to climb ranks which was not as possible in the single SAPD, the 'old' time was good in its own respect, however Officers patrolled on their own and team work was exclusive - Which is why we extended the Departments further, as they proved beneficial in the view of the Chiefs,
You must of missed Operation purple jail which was about a week or more ago, which is now one of the most memorable operations we've done so far, and was a great success.

[Joseph_Allen]

If you work for change yourself, then change is possible, as change doesn't come from one man. Also we're going forward, not backwards, thus look forward to the future - The current status of SAPD allows more co-operation with Officers working under sub departments and assigned to protect jurisdictions and also have a lot of freedom and space for growth to climb ranks which was not as possible in the single SAPD, the 'old' time was good in its own respect, however Officers patrolled on their own and team work was exclusive - Which is why we extended the Departments further, as they proved beneficial in the view of the Chiefs,
You must of missed Operation purple jail which was about a week or more ago, which is now one of the most memorable operations we've done so far, and was a great success.

Well, I just got back from Inactivity myself and I've been hanging around with DPD. Seems that you're right. Anyways, see you on the field Chief.

[Officer_Sherman]

OKay this Idea would improve the problem with no cars at the station when you want one. In real life police officers in most departments have take home cars which they can take them to their home instead of leaving it a the station. In the game, if you buy a limo privately you still need to be on driver duty to use it. So lets use that glitch to our advantage. Lets allow people to buy police cars, it will be their on cop car which they can use on police duty, and their most likely to use that car instead of a department car. So I think it would be a good idea. And if anyone abuses it at all cop ban them.

[Sushi]

Whilst I'd love to have personal police cars, one of the reason we use police cars is because they can be used by ANY police officer. If you can just lock your police car, you might as well be using a civilian vehicle.

To be honest, maybe if they were not lockable, like normal cruisers I wouldn't mind.

As well as the fact that you can take a drive in state car or something to Idlewood and you'll probably come back with 5 patrol cruisers.

Do your part, if you see a cruiser respawn it. I don't see any reason that we need to add scripts, increase departmental command work and raise possible issues, when we can just be more helpful to each other.

[Ben]

It feels to me like everything is going backwards...it isn't just Argonath.
Rules are put into place to protect us, but with more rules comes less freedom...if the academy system was more strict, then some of these rules and regulations could, in theory, be removed.

When I first joined, there were no rules about patrolling in PD vehicles, just recommendations. Also, we had to make sure they were locked so they weren't used against us. Abuse of this led to the rule being added.
The rules on firing on suspects used to be less strict, and respected, but with an increase in abuse came new rules.

The new SAPD seems full of regulations because of this. If the abusers were stamped down on during the Academy, then they wouldn't be in the SAPD to cause abuse. When I applied, it used to take months to get accepted...if you were accepted at all! The applicants didn't like it much, but it certainly kept the SAPD straight.

Now, we have more departments...more officers need to step into the gaps, so in order to get them through we need a less strict Academy. This also causes problems, as we get more abuse, and more regulations.
I don't suggest shutting departments down, but we need to get the balance of strictness/people correct. It seems easy to get into the SAPD at the moment...maybe the attitude of SAPD Cadets should be focused on more prominently.

Opinions?

[Pepper]

Due to my topic being locked and therefore ending discussion and seeking further help, I shall post here in hope it sparks a discussion to help the SAPD.

Hello, before you tl;dr or whatever, this topic is purely for helping SAPD. Don't like it? Don't read it.
Note: No names will be mentioned in this, so don't bad girl about it.

I've found the main problems by simply asking around. Both high ranks and low ranks have told me the following. :
-UC abuse
-Favoritism
-Terrible decisions
-Internal corruption
-Academy system
 
Let's go more into detail, shall we?

UC Abuse

Officers of all ranks abuse the UC system. This is common knowledge, everyone I spoke to said it exists more so than all the other ones. Some examples include patrolling as UC, switching it on and off whenever they want, driving PD cars while UC, and making illegal ads.

Solution:One possible solution is to only give TRUSTED members UC rights.
Solution #2:Intense training for UC rights. (EDIT: PaulC's response was there was already training. Obviously it's not enough if there are still a lot of UC abusers.)

Favoritism

We all know it exists whether you like it or not. This is another thing that was commonly suggested as a problem within the SAPD. For those that do not know, favoritism is when a high rank makes a friend a high rank simply because they're friends. Also, this intermingles with Bad decisions. I'm going to squeeze ass licking into here. Certain SAPD members kiss ass to get a higher rank. They will become close friends with a high rank, do anything for them, ect, and then they will be ranked up due to favoritism.

Solution: High ranks must eliminate it. This will be tricky to do, but I feel if SAPD really wants to achieve it, it can be done.
(EDIT: PaulC's response: This has happened in the past, but is really not happening now. My response: It is still happening now and you better believe it.)

Internal corruption

This one's tricky. I'm not a high rank therefore I'm not seeing it firsthand. However, everyone does indeed know it exists. It's been mentioned amongst SAPD members when asked about problems. Internal corruption mixes with Favoritism. This does not mean corruption such as doing drugs on duty, but more like breaking SAPD procedure.

Solution:Crack-down on all SAPD members. High ranks must be watching out for any corruption of ANY members including higher ranks than them.

Academy system

We all know the academy system is broken. It needs to be more strict and harsher. It also must cover everything about SAPD to educate cadets on what to do and what not to do. This would solve a lot of problems.

Solution:Make the academy harder to pass, cover everything.(EDIT: PaulC's response: It teaches everything, it's pretty good as it is. My response: It needs to be much stricter. Cadets need to learn discipline.

One more problem I've noticed after my year or two in SAPD.

Denial of problems and not accepting anyone that tries to help

Yes, this does exist. Notice all the topics made, but little effort is appearing to be done. Everyone who makes one of these topics is automatically a moaner, a complainer, and is also discriminated against for not helping. These topics are helping. They are pointing out problems for the entire SAPD to help fix. Not just command staff, they can't do it themselves. The entire SAPD needs to put in and we can eventually pluck these problems away. My main goal for joining SAPD awhile  back was to help. I've been brainstorming ideas ever since, while observing and talking with other members. These are a collection of problems and concerns I've gathered over the months. While there is more, I feel these are the most important. Hopefully no one will see this as a moan topic and will really see that these ARE problems and they need to be fixed. Also, if you deny any of these problems, you're ignorant because they ALL exist and everyone can see it.
(EDIT: PaulC's response: Noted, but not denied. Then my topic was locked and ended further discussion to help SAPD. )
Thank you for your time,
Signed,

Dillimore Police Department Senior Officer Pepito.

[Julio.]

Totally agree with Pepito and Ben here.

Personally I don't care whether I run around like a crazy Mofo with an ARPD Officer or a Chief, I act the same.

[Ben]

Favouritism is definitely here...theres some promotions which got missed, and were totally deserved. Other promotions were not deserved, and given anyway. Given by the replies given from Officers attending certain ceremonies, there were disagreements with command. I believe the officers themselves share the most important opinion, as they are less biased towards other people.

[TinMan]

 

Finally, somebody speaks the truth.

Thanks Pepito!

[Pepper]

Finally, somebody speaks the truth.

Thanks Pepito!

[[Rstar]Paul]

Perhaps i answered you're ideas and questions.

Await till we focus on the 'core' problems of the SAPD, this is where we will start first. Please bare with us.

[Ben]

All I can say is...promoting GiacJr to Sergeant is the smartest thing the new SAPD Command have ever done... and teh Monkey of course!
Looking forward to seeing both of them IG to get those darn mexicans...

[Jimmy Chambers]

I just wanted to say that I predicted that my topic on paying cops more would be locked. After playing on argonath for a year it was easy for me too predict that nobody on this server can handle a mature and calm discussion. Also it is quite clear after reading the responses in my thread AFTER it was locked that nobody took the time to read the discussion points I have already addressed(such as where the money would come from, even AFTER I addressed that point people kept trying to tell me it comes from the command staff pocket EVEN when I already proposed a solution to that). I was quite optimistic and hoped Argonath could handle a serious discussion without bias or letting their emotions get in the way, clearly I was wrong and I hope we can improve this in the future.


Now if you'll excuse me I have to flip burgers at the local Burgershot because putting my life on the line to defend the citizens of Argonath doesn't pay me enough. Good day.

[Ben]

The topic is for serious discussion, not moaning 

[KhornateMonkey]

Thanks Ben.

[[Rstar]Paul]

I just wanted to say that I predicted that my topic on paying cops more would be locked. After playing on argonath for a year it was easy for me too predict that nobody on this server can handle a mature and calm discussion. Also it is quite clear after reading the responses in my thread AFTER it was locked that nobody took the time to read the discussion points I have already addressed(such as where the money would come from, even AFTER I addressed that point people kept trying to tell me it comes from the command staff pocket EVEN when I already proposed a solution to that). I was quite optimistic and hoped Argonath could handle a serious discussion without bias or letting their emotions get in the way, clearly I was wrong and I hope we can improve this in the future.


Now if you'll excuse me I have to flip burgers at the local Burgershot because putting my life on the line to defend the citizens of Argonath doesn't pay me enough. Good day.

Hello,

I've looked onto you're case and will be taking some considerations on it. After reviewing it, I'll be issuing a cash register for the local command staff members to award officers for their hard work, and for assignments that are completed. And also, for those who spent their time doing their best of the department and the streets of the state.

Divisions of the SAPD will also receive support from their hard work in serving and protecting with their special tactics.

System under construction!

[Jimmy Chambers]

I just wanted to say that I predicted that my topic on paying cops more would be locked. After playing on argonath for a year it was easy for me too predict that nobody on this server can handle a mature and calm discussion. Also it is quite clear after reading the responses in my thread AFTER it was locked that nobody took the time to read the discussion points I have already addressed(such as where the money would come from, even AFTER I addressed that point people kept trying to tell me it comes from the command staff pocket EVEN when I already proposed a solution to that). I was quite optimistic and hoped Argonath could handle a serious discussion without bias or letting their emotions get in the way, clearly I was wrong and I hope we can improve this in the future.


Now if you'll excuse me I have to flip burgers at the local Burgershot because putting my life on the line to defend the citizens of Argonath doesn't pay me enough. Good day.

Hello,

I've looked onto you're case and will be taking some considerations on it. After reviewing it, I'll be issuing a cash register for the local command staff members to award officers for their hard work, and for assignments that are completed. And also, for those who spent their time doing their best of the department and the streets of the state.

Divisions of the SAPD will also receive support from their hard work in serving and protecting with their special tactics.

System under construction!

I'm glad I can at least count on the command staff to handle my suggestion maturely and at least take it into consideration. Thank you and I will continue to serve you with honor and loyalty despite you're decision.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Frequently asked question:

"What happens when there are no Administrators and Sergeants+ to unsuspect?"

If everything above is checked, the only option you have here is to detain the suspect in the cells with less jail serve timing. State in the police radio the reason you jailed the suspect and the time.

[Huntsman]

Hello.

I'm ARPD Officer and current SAPD Applicant AirMax.

I have this question/thought.

I think that "Shitting on SAPD Command" is a very overused reason to fire people in SAPD, most likely abused.
I will keep the names confident because i'm not here to complaing, i'm going to describe you one of the situations i had.

I have been invited by one of SAPD authorities to speak with them. I have been suspended for few violations i dont want to talk about.

Then this man said "I expected better from you Max"
And i told him "I expected better from Command Staff as well." Meaning that i had a thought that SAPD Command Staff lacked something, not with intention to shit on anyone.
I have been fired by the guy for "Shitting on SAPD".
Even the civilian having investigation was over there at the moment while i was fired, even he disagreed, he said "Since when saying your opinion outloud in POLITE and NON INSULTIVE WAY is shitting?"

I have wrote this in not complaining intentions, but to prevent stuff like that from happening, and i hope SAPD authorities will take this in concern.

Signed.

ARPD Officer
ARTP Commander

Max Peterson Payne.