San Andreas Police Department | Q&A

[Padres_Rosso]

Agreed, and they will :P. Just need to be carefull with my money at the moment, will do fine :P.

Problem solved, all are happy.
Now i want to state my Question,
So firstly, When i am at a Heroin Spot, I am getting reported very often by people who are near me. They argue with me and disturb my work. Even more they call some admin to solve that Prob, even when i didnt even do anything.
I am maybe covering the Spot for arround 4-5 minutes to make sure, that no heroin has been ordered.
My question is now.. How do i avoid that? And am i allowed to make them go out of my eyes? Because as far as i know i am only allowed to block a specific area with a valid reason, which is the heroin spot, but not the surrounding area.
Second Question applies to Off-Duty(UC without badge) actions,
Sometimes i know that people are dealing with heroin, but i just don't have any evidence, so i try to get someone(including myself) into his "life" and to make him tell what i want.. Sometimes these people are very intelligent though, so the best would be asking him, if he sells drugs, which is Illegal from my Side.
My Question now is.. How far may i go with my words to make someone admitting a Crime, or is there a Possibility to not make myself getting illegal when i ask for Drugs as example?

[Sushi]

Agreed, and they will :P. Just need to be carefull with my money at the moment, will do fine :P.

Problem solved, all are happy.
Now i want to state my Question,
So firstly, When i am at a Heroin Spot, I am getting reported very often by people who are near me. They argue with me and disturb my work. Even more they call some admin to solve that Prob, even when i didnt even do anything.
I am maybe covering the Spot for arround 4-5 minutes to make sure, that no heroin has been ordered.
My question is now.. How do i avoid that? And am i allowed to make them go out of my eyes? Because as far as i know i am only allowed to block a specific area with a valid reason, which is the heroin spot, but not the surrounding area.
Second Question applies to Off-Duty(UC without badge) actions,
Sometimes i know that people are dealing with heroin, but i just don't have any evidence, so i try to get someone(including myself) into his "life" and to make him tell what i want.. Sometimes these people are very intelligent though, so the best would be asking him, if he sells drugs, which is Illegal from my Side.
My Question now is.. How far may i go with my words to make someone admitting a Crime, or is there a Possibility to not make myself getting illegal when i ask for Drugs as example?

With the camping heroin areas question, if you RP the entire time instead of simply sitting there then in my opinion as an administrator it's fine. Police should be checking heroin spots on their patrols but by no means camping there to prevent everyone from obtaining drugs.

As for being a civilian and asking for drugs. As far as I know, if you ask with intent to purchase you are liable and could be caught up by the ARPD. I suggest not directly asking people whether they sell drugs, because a.) If you aren't a UC officer, don't behave like one and b.) It is most likely illegal. If you are a civilian, you are just that, you should call 911 if you see any suspicious drug trafficking behaviour and not undertake any 'operations' yourself.

[Padres_Rosso]

Agreed, and they will :P. Just need to be carefull with my money at the moment, will do fine :P.

Problem solved, all are happy.
Now i want to state my Question,
So firstly, When i am at a Heroin Spot, I am getting reported very often by people who are near me. They argue with me and disturb my work. Even more they call some admin to solve that Prob, even when i didnt even do anything.
I am maybe covering the Spot for arround 4-5 minutes to make sure, that no heroin has been ordered.
My question is now.. How do i avoid that? And am i allowed to make them go out of my eyes? Because as far as i know i am only allowed to block a specific area with a valid reason, which is the heroin spot, but not the surrounding area.
Second Question applies to Off-Duty(UC without badge) actions,
Sometimes i know that people are dealing with heroin, but i just don't have any evidence, so i try to get someone(including myself) into his "life" and to make him tell what i want.. Sometimes these people are very intelligent though, so the best would be asking him, if he sells drugs, which is Illegal from my Side.
My Question now is.. How far may i go with my words to make someone admitting a Crime, or is there a Possibility to not make myself getting illegal when i ask for Drugs as example?

With the camping heroin areas question, if you RP the entire time instead of simply sitting there then in my opinion as an administrator it's fine. Police should be checking heroin spots on their patrols but by no means camping there to prevent everyone from obtaining drugs.

As for being a civilian and asking for drugs. As far as I know, if you ask with intent to purchase you are liable and could be caught up by the ARPD. I suggest not directly asking people whether they sell drugs, because a.) If you aren't a UC officer, don't behave like one and b.) It is most likely illegal. If you are a civilian, you are just that, you should call 911 if you see any suspicious drug trafficking behaviour and not undertake any 'operations' yourself.

When i do Operations, I often dont have time to search for a Undercover Officer, therefor i just send a Officer off duty inside and make evidence.

[Sushi]

Agreed, and they will :P. Just need to be carefull with my money at the moment, will do fine :P.

Problem solved, all are happy.
Now i want to state my Question,
So firstly, When i am at a Heroin Spot, I am getting reported very often by people who are near me. They argue with me and disturb my work. Even more they call some admin to solve that Prob, even when i didnt even do anything.
I am maybe covering the Spot for arround 4-5 minutes to make sure, that no heroin has been ordered.
My question is now.. How do i avoid that? And am i allowed to make them go out of my eyes? Because as far as i know i am only allowed to block a specific area with a valid reason, which is the heroin spot, but not the surrounding area.
Second Question applies to Off-Duty(UC without badge) actions,
Sometimes i know that people are dealing with heroin, but i just don't have any evidence, so i try to get someone(including myself) into his "life" and to make him tell what i want.. Sometimes these people are very intelligent though, so the best would be asking him, if he sells drugs, which is Illegal from my Side.
My Question now is.. How far may i go with my words to make someone admitting a Crime, or is there a Possibility to not make myself getting illegal when i ask for Drugs as example?

With the camping heroin areas question, if you RP the entire time instead of simply sitting there then in my opinion as an administrator it's fine. Police should be checking heroin spots on their patrols but by no means camping there to prevent everyone from obtaining drugs.

As for being a civilian and asking for drugs. As far as I know, if you ask with intent to purchase you are liable and could be caught up by the ARPD. I suggest not directly asking people whether they sell drugs, because a.) If you aren't a UC officer, don't behave like one and b.) It is most likely illegal. If you are a civilian, you are just that, you should call 911 if you see any suspicious drug trafficking behaviour and not undertake any 'operations' yourself.

When i do Operations, I often dont have time to search for a Undercover Officer, therefor i just send a Officer off duty inside and make evidence.

If you attempt to do 'operations' as a civilian, then you will be tried as a civilian regardless of what 'operation' you were undertaking yourself. It has been made clear several times, there is none SAPD UC, if you are caught in a drug deal etc as a civilian, you will be treated as such.

[Jcstodds]

  If you have a genuine RP operation that involves civilians undercover (presumably in your CB) with a drug bust team on standby then you can roleplay UC operation. Even in such an operation though it is best for the UC guy to get arrested too as not to blow his cover (recommended but not necassary, I would grant someone cancelsuspect if they wanted).

  If those who are working with cops in UC investigations (such as informants and "UC cops" etc) are being treated as criminals like Sushi suggested, then really we have our priorities wrong as a PD. Like I said in the guide... best way to be UC is to not even use the UC script but to use civilian. Just to make sure though- you would have to be in an operation with cops support to do this (wouldn't necessarily have to be SAPD lead).

EDIT: Thinking on it, chances are the scenario would not even occur due to the rarity of non SAPD lead UC operations, where the UC guy would be treated as a regular criminal outside of the operation - seems unlikely a problem would even occur.

  Just make sure you have cop backing in your operations and not doing alone.

[Sushi]

One of the SAUDs tasks is to take on these apparent civilian roles, informants etc. My main point is simply officers who are going off duty to behave as though they have UC rights when they don't have the support of the SAPD. I have no power to forbid them to do so, just the power to punish them if they choose to impersonate an officer. Not trying to limit roleplay, just making the lines clear.

[Padres_Rosso]

One of the SAUDs tasks is to take on these apparent civilian roles, informants etc. My main point is simply officers who are going off duty to behave as though they have UC rights when they don't have the support of the SAPD. I have no power to forbid them to do so, just the power to punish them if they choose to impersonate an officer. Not trying to limit roleplay, just making the lines clear.

Understandable Sushi,
But is it possible to get allowed by a SAPD to go Undercover for a Drug bust as example?

[Anthrax]

I heard there was a sub division called SADA focusing on crime scene investigation and drug bust tasks.
Will this be something that will re-open? I know you guys are working very hard on other projects in SAPD so I guess not in the nearest future if so?

[[Rstar]Paul]

I heard there was a sub division called SADA focusing on crime scene investigation and drug bust tasks.
Will this be something that will re-open? I know you guys are working very hard on other projects in SAPD so I guess not in the nearest future if so?

Answer given in the SAPD meeting.

[Janar]

SAPD Basic Rules:

[1]. The accepted standard duty weapons are (Pepper Spray, Baton, 9mm, Deagle, Pump-action Shotgun)
...
[1.1].  Procedures of Engagement with Force:
-Suspect is running -- Use warnings to order to stop, if they do not heed, you may open fire (Standard Duty weapons only - Deagle)

Point shows Standard Duty weapons only, with a side note Deagle. Does that also allow using 9mm and Pump-action Shotgun (Regular Shotgun) in that case?

[Sushi]

SAPD Basic Rules:

[1]. The accepted standard duty weapons are (Pepper Spray, Baton, 9mm, Deagle, Pump-action Shotgun)
...
[1.1].  Procedures of Engagement with Force:
-Suspect is running -- Use warnings to order to stop, if they do not heed, you may open fire (Standard Duty weapons only - Deagle)

Point shows Standard Duty weapons only, with a side note Deagle. Does that also allow using 9mm and Pump-action Shotgun (Regular Shotgun) in that case?

This is something which will be clarified upon as I rewrite the SAPD Procedures. As far as I know, it means you can only use your sidearm on suspects who are running and aren't surrendering. Although, personally, I would justify using a pump-action as well as a pistol, due to the fact that it is far less damaging and would allow the suspect more time to surrender. To be safe in regards to current regulations, I advise the use of only your sidearm when referring to 1.1 of the SAPD regulations.

[[WS]Mike]

My question regards "carsurfing while shooting". I realize it is a server rule not to shoot anyone while sitting on top of a vehicle, but what if you are an Officer and the suspect hit you, or you are on top of his car. Can you shoot the car directly while you are on it? Or, are you just goin' along for the ride? From what I understood you could, but an Administrator told me you couldn't. Kind of confused, could I get some clarification?

[James Moretti]

If you're standing on the roof of a car, shooting the driver won't do anything. No damage or HP lost.

[[WS]Mike]

If you're standing on the roof of a car, shooting the driver won't do anything. Nope damage or HP lost.

Not the driver, but the vehicle.

[James Moretti]

Same story. Won't take any damage. Plus, if other officers shoot at the car, you will be in the line of fire.

[Padres_Rosso]

I am not quite sure with your answer, Dean, I am almost sure, that the Car on which you are standing on is damageable. You just need to find the hitbox and then spray your bullets on it. So i think, the car takes damage, however, Carsurfing + Shooting is disallowed, which counts for Citizen and Police.
(Wouldn't be fair when cops may do it and suspects not, huh?  )

[Marcus Ferreira]

Situation citizen- criminal was never fair. We are working to let them walk and drive around safety and we are more limited with the constitution. But for example we can kill the criminal or even civil and we not getting suspected for it, even if weapon was miss-used. Argonath as each and every server aim for the final win of law enforcement to keep the city situation stable. We can also for example return to the same situation after died, they can't.

[Cyril]

My question regards "carsurfing while shooting". I realize it is a server rule not to shoot anyone while sitting on top of a vehicle, but what if you are an Officer and the suspect hit you, or you are on top of his car. Can you shoot the car directly while you are on it? Or, are you just goin' along for the ride? From what I understood you could, but an Administrator told me you couldn't. Kind of confused, could I get some clarification?

You can't shoot at any vehicle moving while standing on it, even if you are being shot. If you are taking shot, then just jump off from the vehicle.

[Pingster]

Could we get a clarification from the command staff regarding the heroin campers/busters/checkers/etcetera?

Issue being that it seems a lot of the officers are not aware of the fact that any and all areas in San Andreas are allowed to be in for civilians, save for very limited number of areas which officer(s) can perm. block (PD garages and such). Anything else - you need a valid reason and you need to provide it. Heroin spot included. And to suspect a civilian for ordering heroin, they need actual proof of them ordering it (Which you can't even get if the person ordering doesn't roleplay it), and that being at a heroin spot when a heroin package appears does not qualify as such. Only moment you have any proof of the person doing something illicit is when they pick the heroin up, as up until then you can not prove anything, simply assume (And as we all know, innocent until proven and declared guillty).

Or is there some unwritten rule in the world of SAPD that suggests something else?

[Marcus Ferreira]

ARPD Officer Regulations

1. Does that mean that the new rules will apply not only to SAPD staff?
2. I think SAPD staff(me for example) will need some time to carefully read and understand new rules, will they be enforced right away or we have some time?